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xymox1
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ARRIS SB8200
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Re: SB8200 32x8 3.1 cable modem - Feedback and Results thread

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To start with... The star of the show...




Top..



Bottom.. If you look kinda closely you can kinda see in this pic the thickness of the copper PCB backplanes is thicker. Cost a little extra, less noise in each layer of board. Its a better PCB then normal.




Power supply section. 7 rails. All low voltage. Like 1.3 and .9.. Well designed as they dont get that hot. All derived from 12 volts its nocely filtered and has a reasonable cap on the other side.




The heat sink is BOLTED ON.. Thats a nice touch. Normally I see plastic springy clips that pressure the heatsink against the chip. With the bolt down heatsink a exact distance is maintained between the heatsink and the chip for the thermal pad. This is a way better thermal design. More precision. This puts less stress on the chip and might be better for it over time. This is the arrangement you see on more expensive electronics. Screws in green.




There is a second heat sink nestled slightly below the first. Good 3D design. Nice space savings. Better thermal coupling so the parts thermal drift together.




This pic also shows the 4, yes 4, header sockets. i dont know what all these are.

Heat sink from the side. Its really thick and beefy. You can see the PCB is thicker then normal. Not from more layers I dont think, I think its thicker copper and better ground planes. You can see the 2nd heat sink and you can see how they even used the Ethernet ports to remove heat by coupling to them too. Good idea.




Heatsink with its thermal pad. It was not a pad I had seen before. Its was a odd mesh with silicon or something sorta infuzed into the mesh. It did not get on your fingers but if you pushed enough it was like std silicon grease. Sorta. It was a weird pad. Its a serious chunk of aluminum unlike the cheap heat sinks in the other modems ive opened.




Some ram and eeprom chips ?




The RF section is just pretty.. This is really the hard part. RF is hard.. They used good precision parts. THICK shielding. Thick top cover. This is just to die for RF.. It makes a difference. Im seeing a lot less errors. My levels are very stable. My TX power does not flap. The ANALOG part of the modem is the real magic, real alchemy. This is a really nice bit of work here.




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What important is how simple this is. Thats it.. The CM1000 has chips all over it. Its got 6 heat sinks. Its a big PCB with longer traces. This is simple. Its all about performance. Its all well meshed and short distance.

Its cooler then the CM1000.

I gotta take a break. Long work day. Im worn out. It might be tomorrow before I post performance charts. hahahaah... TEASER !!! "Tune in tomorrow for the conclusion of our cliffhanger".... hahahaha...

I might post some later. Let me see how tired I am..
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I keep trying to edit that and the pics get more out of order... Well.. You can figure it out hopefully..

Im too tired right now to redo it.
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said by xymox1:

Good idea.. Yes im aware of all that. In fact i have a Deepfreeze Win 7 thats virgin install. So I reboot and everything is back to zero. EVERYTHING.. And I did that.. The SB8200 seems snappier..

Be careful; many ISPs and for that matter web providers cache requests in such a way that the second or successive requests will be faster than the first.

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Well with it now being on the approved list for Comcast as of this morning, there shouldn't be any problems now.

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I wonder if Amazon is still gonna ship tomorrow ? You guys that preordered make sure to let us now once it ships.

I will edit my pics and fix that tonight and add charts. Sorry, really busy work days.

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said by xymox1:

I wonder if Amazon is still gonna ship tomorrow ? You guys that preordered make sure to let us now once it ships.

Well, as of this moment, Amazon is still showing the February 24th release date: »www.amazon.com/gp/produc ··· N6SKK1G/
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I had an amazon pre-order that I had placed last month that said late Jan, then feb 18 then 22 now 24. About a week ago I killed my Amazon order and ordered from Arris direct. Shipped next day via ground. I've had it up and running for a few days now and it seems pretty bulletproof so far.
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Mine is still showing shipping tomorrow, but receiving on the 28th. It's going to my place of work, so I'm expecting to get it Monday at the earliest, but Amazon is saying I'll get it on Tuesday.

xymox1
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EVERYBODY should post what modem they were using and check levels and stuff and then post the SB8200 levels and stuff. If you can use Multiping or pingplotter run that for a bit before swapping modems and report back here where you tests shows and what your subjective experience between the 2 was.
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Ok some charts. I spent 3 hours tonight swapping modems and testing. Calling the cable co a bunch of times and swapping modems. All my charts are using the same test setup and I just swap modems live while the chart runs. The swaps are the red bands.

I have A LOT more charts and tests to post. But these will start us off.

The choice between the SB8200 and CM1000 really comes down to hardware for me. I like the hardware and buildquality of the SB8200. It also has a dual port which can later be used as a dual link providing 2 Gbps VS the CM1000 with only 1 port that is forever limited to 1 Gbps.

Either modem is a good choice. I just prefer the SB8200 because it appears to me to be a better build with fewer parts and better design. I could be wrong I suppose. But that can be debated in the thread ahead.

Conclusion for testing ? I cant find any performance difference between the CM1000 VS SB8200 doing my tests using IPv4 and 32x4 on a Cox Ultimate tier of 300 D / 30 U. Both modems did their top speeds every time I tested. Ive run the SB8200 for days under test and found no issues at all.

These are quick summary charts. I will in the next few days post more in depth charts and tests..

These were all done at 10 hz - 10 tests a second.

TCP tests.




ICMP tests




CLose up of stress test on both modems. They are both immune on the current 300/30 tier.


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Hmmmm... Amazon now shows "Temporarily out of stock. "

Hmmmm... The Mystery deepens. Did they ship ?

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Hmmmm... Amazon now shows "Temporarily out of stock. "

Hmmmm... The Mystery deepens. Did they ship ?

Amazon is probably showing that as all of the units that they may have had were used to fill all the preorders right now.

xymox1
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said by telcodad:

said by xymox1:

Hmmmm... Amazon now shows "Temporarily out of stock. "

Hmmmm... The Mystery deepens. Did they ship ?

Amazon is probably showing that as all of the units that they may have had were used to fill all the preorders right now.

We will have to see if people who reordered weeks ago get shipped.

Amazon might have also just given up on a date and just changed to this.
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My guess is Amazon gave up.
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said by arcanexvi:

My guess is Amazon gave up.

Nonsense - I've never known them to, and it's marked:
Temporarily out of stock.

Order now and we'll deliver when available. We'll e-mail you with an estimated delivery date as soon as we have more information. Your account will only be charged when we ship the item.

Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
I mentioned that the CM1000 rollout went almost exactly the same way.

If/when Amazon truly gives up it will be marked either "Note: This item is only available from third-party sellers" or "No longer available."

Amazon doesn't take backorders for product they don't expect to be able to source.

xymox1
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said by kucharsk:

said by arcanexvi:

My guess is Amazon gave up.

Nonsense - I've never known them to, and it's marked:
Temporarily out of stock.

Order now and we'll deliver when available. We'll e-mail you with an estimated delivery date as soon as we have more information. Your account will only be charged when we ship the item.

Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
I mentioned that the CM1000 rollout went almost exactly the same way.

If/when Amazon truly gives up it will be marked either "Note: This item is only available from third-party sellers" or "No longer available."

Amazon doesn't take backorders for product they don't expect to be able to source.

That CM1000 rollout was freaky. I talked to Netgear at the highest level on that one. The listing VANISHED from amazon. Just gone. The Netgear web site vanished. They later officially responded and put things back and it sorta staggered into stock.

I think it was just big demand from ISPs ordering huge numbers and cleaning out stocks.

What amazon says is most likely what happened. "out of stock"..
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Ive got a few more charts... They are just all really clean. Im posting to be complete..

12 hours of plot - at 10 times a second. TCP.




6 hours of plot - 10 times a sec ICMP




5 minute TCP plot




5 minute ICMP



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Just activated mine.
No, blue lights. all are green.

Standard Specification Compliant: DOCSIS 3.1
Hardware Version: 4
Software Version: D31CM-PEREGRINE-1.0.0.2-GA-01-NOSH

300/20 service.
24 channels down and 4 up.
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said by ARGONAUT:

Software Version: D31CM-PEREGRINE-1.0.0.2-GA-01-NOSH

Interesting... what ISP? Someone on Comcast posted earlier in this topic that they had D31CM-PEREGRINE-1.0.1.0-GA-01-NOSH.

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said by ARGONAUT:

Software Version: D31CM-PEREGRINE-1.0.0.2-GA-01-NOSH

Interesting... what ISP? Someone on Comcast posted earlier in this topic that they had D31CM-PEREGRINE-1.0.1.0-GA-01-NOSH.

Most likely he's on Time Warner/Charter there.

Cox is also still on the initial 1.0.0.2 release:

From: »Re: Arris SB8200, Cox certified
said by odog:

1.0.0.2 is the code they ship with, we haven't certed the 1.0.1.0 code yet.

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I'm on Comcast, in Colorado, and I have this firmware. Also, I have one blue light on the downstream. 24/4 locked as well.

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im on 1.0.0.2 on Cox in phx. We are 32x4 no OFDM in Phx so all green.

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Anybody having luck using the second modem port?

I've played around with the second port but it doesn't seem consistent. If I use port one with my router to computer connection everything works fine. All my other configurations seen to have issues.
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seems to work fine, moved my router from one port to the other

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said by ARGONAUT:

Anybody having luck using the second modem port?

I've played around with the second port but it doesn't seem consistent. If I use port one with my router to computer connection everything works fine. All my other configurations seen to have issues.

I have not been able to get the second port to work. I have not tried that hard tho because no ISP's are supporting multi-ip for residential. I have a thread on that.. All anyone mostly does on that thread is tell me im wrong and that im stupid for wanting a second IP. »No Multi IP for Residential Cox users

EVENTUALLY once we get speeds above 1Gbs then they can do link aggregation using both ports to deliver 2Gbps if you have a router that supports that. I do and my router can do the speeds so im looking forward to that. Its hardware capable of that, but, I think the ISP has to enable it.

I think ISP's need to dust off multi-ip and offer it for a price. They you can have 2 home networks on separate external dynamic IP's.

The interesting questions ive been thinking is if those ports could be firmware enable to do 2.5Gbps each, cuz then with port aggregation you could reach the 5Gbps on the front of the box.
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Videomatic3, what ISP are you on ? Can you hook up 2 routers and have them both work ?
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said by xymox1:

The interesting questions ive been thinking is if those ports could be firmware enable to do 2.5Gbps each, cuz then with port aggregation you could reach the 5Gbps on the front of the box.

How would you get 2.5 Gbps out of a GigE port?

I'm surprised there are issues as Arris seemed to imply that at least for the moment the modem is supposed to effectively work as a three port switch - cable modem LAN and the two onboard GigE ports.

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Maybe the hardware can support this and be added or switched on later. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2. ··· 5GBASE-T

With a switch you need IP's. You only get 1 dynamic IP with residential service. So only one device will work. You need multi-ip from the ISP to plug in 2 things at once. See my thread I posted on this.

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Maybe this'll be implemented on business customers.
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What's your definition of working, I can plug another computer and manually set the IP address to 192.168.100.x and view the modem configuration page sure, I can setup my router to have a lan port on the wan port and route the computer to the router first and get internet if I felt like it, but I prefer to just be on the lan port on my router, I haven't tried to team then together yet though