Topic 'Re: New Build - AMD or Intel' in forum 'PC Hardware' - dslreports.com

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:17:54 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by me1212:

I write software, I love me some cores man. Plus I want to start streaming. so yeah.

Same here, I don't write software (at least not competently :p ) but I would really like to get my hands one of these chips for stuff like VMs, Plex server, source compilation, video/audio editing

My attitude toward a new, competing, AMD chip has always "within range" and this chip is certainly within range on all fronts.

However new-found rumors of a 16 core 32t chip are really stoking my interest.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:51:18 EDT

trparky posted : OK, I was wrong about the release dates. I looked them up. I was wrong. There, I said it.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:43:52 EDT

me1212 posted :

said by trparky:

Hell, we had Cyrix back then. Remember them? I do!

Look if you want to talk talk like an adult instead of trying to throw around your how long you've used a computer for card. I can assure you that you wont be able to beat a lot of people here if you don't even know athlon came out before the pentium 4. Like I said, learn about what you are talking about, and how making cpus works, before you spout nonsense. Seriously its like talking to someone on /g/ right now.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:26:59 EDT

trparky posted : A number of years ago Intel was sitting on their asses with the Prescott Pentium 4. You remember that? It was sometimes referred to as the "heat pump on a chip" because it ran that stupidly hot. It also had major performance issues because of its stupidly long 32-stage pipeline which caused it to fail branch predictions more than doing actual work.

Then along came AMD with the Athlon series of CPUs which really kicked Intel's ass and forced them to come up with something new, along came the Core series of chips. For the first time ever we saw Intel make something actually worth buying but that was only because they suddenly had their asses handed to them by AMD.

Fast forward to today and AMD has been less than garbage which has given Intel no reason to really push their R&D teams. Why is that? No competition.

Hell, we had Cyrix back then. Remember them? I do!

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:24:47 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by trparky:

said by Ghastlyone:

even proceed to post an article that benchmarks that same CPU against a brand new 8 core Ryzen 1700 and even "kicks it's ass".

What I'm saying is that in five years we have seen nothing that has really piqued my interest from the Intel camp. No huge improvements, no huge differences that made us drool like back in the good old days. We used to drool like Homer Simpson back then. Now? Not so much.

I want the days when new CPUs were half again as fast the previous. Speed. Speed. MORE SPEED!

This horse has been beaten to a pulp.

Intel has increased performance generation over generation, all while improving TDP, and overclocking ability. Your 3570K that was purchased 5 years ago at $230 (an eternity in the tech world) an 7th gen 7600K with 25% more performance gain, lower power usage and higher clocks can be had for pretty much the exact same price from 5 years back.

EDIT: Also, I really have to put in question that article you posted. I don't know what testing methods that guy used, but review sites like GamersNexus show the 3570K really starting to show it's age...

»www.gamersnexus.net/hwre ··· ts-1800x

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:21:44 EDT

me1212 posted : I write software, I love me some cores man. Plus I want to start streaming. so yeah.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:17:53 EDT

me1212 posted : I dunno, 330ish is fair for an i7 and 230 an i5. Plus they've been that price for over half a decade with little increase, thats hardly over charging. And dont expect much more than 5% from amd here on out ether, x86(and all architectures ) can only be made so efficient and so perfect. Even if amd had been competitive all these years we wouldnt be getting 20% year over year. I'd suggest you take a processor/computer design class. I did man it showed me how dumb I used to be. Intel has made strides on power usage and igp these past years though(though I will admit igp is the worst thing to ever happen, fucking could easy fit 8 cores on the die the 7700k uses if not for it)

side note: »www.pcworld.com/article/ ··· cpu.html

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:14:37 EDT

trparky posted :

said by Ghastlyone:

even proceed to post an article that benchmarks that same CPU against a brand new 8 core Ryzen 1700 and even "kicks it's ass".

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:09:58 EDT

trparky posted : Yes that may have been the case five years ago but now we have much more stuff going on inside our PCs. More processes, more threads, etc. I have 156 individual processes running right now with 2,450 threads spread out over four cores. More cores means less context switching since you have more cores to spread the thread workload over.

Not only that but like I said in a previous post, Intel has been sitting idle lately. It's like they're not even trying anymore. It's like they're telling us to be happy with 5 to 10% improvements from year to year and telling us to like it. Well I don't!

I want to go back to the days when processors were improving by leaps and bounds! You remember, right?

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:04:45 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by trparky:

I was hoping to finally be able to give Intel the finger and tell them to go fuck themselves but here I am considering the thought that I may have no choice but to go crawling back to Intel again.

Unless I somehow make this Core i5 3570k build that I have last another year and see if AMD is able to correct these issues in perhaps Ryzen v2.0 next year. Unless they somehow manage to fix it with their APUs later this year which are traditionally more geared to gaming.

I really don't get your last few posts. You praise your 5 year old Ivy Bridge 3570K, and even proceed to post an article that benchmarks that same CPU against a brand new 8 core Ryzen 1700 and even "kicks it's ass". But then you still want to give Intel the finger?

If that's the case, seems Intel gave us all pretty nice performance 5 years ago, if that same CPU and platform is competing with brand new 8 core AMD chips?

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:04:26 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : I've got a question.... How many of you are running software that supports muti-threading?

If you have 32 cores, but software that only runs on 1 or 4..... ???

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:02:39 EDT

trparky posted :

said by me1212:

what has intel done to earn the finger?

How about overcharging us for years along with only giving us 5 to 10% improvements in performance from year to year?

I remember back in AMD's good years where CPUs were improving by huge margins from year to year. We used to see huge, I mean HUGE performance increases, sometimes as high as 20 to 25% more.

And now since AMD has been less than garbage Intel has been like... yeah, we don't have to work so hard now. What else are going to buy? AMD? HAHAHA! You'll take what we give you and like it. Fuck you.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:56:17 EDT

me1212 posted : what has intel done to earn the finger? Well besides putting half of the die on the kabby lake as the igp. But yeah other than that one dumbass thing I cant think of much.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:31:10 EDT

trparky posted : I was hoping to finally be able to give Intel the finger and tell them to go fuck themselves but here I am considering the thought that I may have no choice but to go crawling back to Intel again.

Unless I somehow make this Core i5 3570k build that I have last another year and see if AMD is able to correct these issues in perhaps Ryzen v2.0 next year. Unless they somehow manage to fix it with their APUs later this year which are traditionally more geared to gaming.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:22:56 EDT

WK2 posted :

said by trparky:

Every benchmark I have been looking at seems to support that test. Starcraft 2 runs like crap on Ryzen due to its heavy use on one or two threads and the same goes for Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft. Those three games are the games I play the most and performance for those three games serious suck on Ryzen.

More modern games are becoming very dependent on more CPU cores. Look at BF1, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:20:33 EDT

trparky posted : Every benchmark I have been looking at seems to support that test. Starcraft 2 runs like crap on Ryzen due to its heavy use on one or two threads and the same goes for Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft. Those three games are the games I play the most and performance for those three games serious suck on Ryzen.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:20:01 EDT

me1212 posted : not everyone games, or just games man. If you dont game or dont just game ryzen is awesome.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:01:08 EDT

WK2 posted :

said by trparky:

No offense but I think that anyone who built a Ryzen rig wasted their money. A five year old Core i5 3570k Ivy Bridge chip not only kicked Ryzen's ass but kicked all the way down town.

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 vs. a 5-year-old gaming PC, or why you should never preorder

said by PCWorld :

While I was pleasantly surprised by the ultimate AMD machineâs performance, the more mainstream Ryzen 7 1700 build left a bitter taste in my mouth. I wasnât expecting it to blow Intelâs 3570K out of the water, but I was hoping for some sort of performance pick-me-up, or at least parity. Instead, Intelâs quad-core, 5-year-old chip smoked Ryzen in two out of the three games testedâand I mean smokedâand the CPUs traded blows in the third.

Wow.

I was really rooting for AMD here but once again we had our hopes dashed against the rocks. To have a five year old Intel chip thoroughly kick Ryzen's ass is pretty damn bad. You had your chance AMD and like always, you blew it.

That is just one test. I will be using my Ryzen system with confidence once I build it.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:49:09 EDT

trparky posted : No offense but I think that anyone who built a Ryzen rig wasted their money. A five year old Core i5 3570k Ivy Bridge chip not only kicked Ryzen's ass but kicked all the way down town.

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 vs. a 5-year-old gaming PC, or why you should never preorder

said by PCWorld :

While I was pleasantly surprised by the ultimate AMD machine’s performance, the more mainstream Ryzen 7 1700 build left a bitter taste in my mouth. I wasn’t expecting it to blow Intel’s 3570K out of the water, but I was hoping for some sort of performance pick-me-up, or at least parity. Instead, Intel’s quad-core, 5-year-old chip smoked Ryzen in two out of the three games tested—and I mean smoked—and the CPUs traded blows in the third.

Wow.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:57:04 EDT

WK2 posted :

said by Ghastlyone:

said by WK2:

said by Ghastlyone:

Sexiest RAM on the planet :)

What the hell dude, 1 picture? And of the box??

I haven't opened it yet. I am waiting for my 1800X.

By the way Jackarino, did your Dominator SE kit ship directly from South Korea? Mine shipped directly to my house from there, which surprised me. I figured it would have come from Corsair here in the states like their other hardware usually does.

These special edition kits must be made to order I think. I don't know.

Oh yeah, the SE Blackout Dominator that I bought is completely sold out now in both 2x16gb and 4X8gb kits. Looks like just the chrome kits are available now.

Yes, mine came from Korea - which is fine.

I had to get the 4x 8GB Chrome kit which will go fantastically with the silver MSI MB :D

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:53:43 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by WK2:

said by Ghastlyone:

Sexiest RAM on the planet :)

What the hell dude, 1 picture? And of the box??

I haven't opened it yet. I am waiting for my 1800X.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:32:46 EDT

WK2 posted :

said by Ghastlyone:

Sexiest RAM on the planet :)

What the hell dude, 1 picture? And of the box??

I haven't opened it yet. I am waiting for my 1800X.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:19:24 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : Sexiest RAM on the planet :)

What the hell dude, 1 picture? And of the box??

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:12:27 EDT

WK2 posted : The holy grail of ram has arrived. I have #219/500 :D

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:58:32 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by SysOp:

The limitation being if you want to make it your boot drive, your bios may have to be updated.

It can be done with a bios editor, but I wasn't sure I wanted to do that on my z77 platform. :p

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:44:03 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by SysOp:

said by Ghastlyone:

my old Z77 platform lacked like NVMe drive slots

NVMe uses PCIe; if you have Windows 10 and an open PCIe slot, your NVMe ssd will work. The limitation being if you want to make it your boot drive, your bios may have to be updated.

I wanted the 2280 form factor NVMe drives more than anything.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:02:22 EDT

SysOp posted :

said by Ghastlyone:

my old Z77 platform lacked like NVMe drive slots

NVMe uses PCIe; if you have Windows 10 and an open PCIe slot, your NVMe ssd will work. The limitation being if you want to make it your boot drive, your bios may have to be updated.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:52:39 EDT

El Quintron posted : Agreed, I want USB3.1 mostly (have an add-in card, but lost my extra PSU wires :( ) and an NVMe drive, I also want DDR4, but the impact of the latter is mostly unknown to me for the time being.

EQ

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:38:05 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by El Quintron:

said by Ghastlyone:

Pretty much, if you're on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, it's time to upgrade.

I'd make the argument that you're upgrading cause the platform is outdated anyway, not necessarily because of the processor itself.

For most mortals a 3.4Ghz chip that clock to 3.9-4.1Ghz on demand, depending on your motherboard, is probably "good enough" but you're really missing out on stuff like DDR4, NVMe and USB3.1, in fact USB3.1 alone, excluding the rest of the perks is nothing short of a amazing.

EQ

This was half of it for me when deciding to do my new 7700K build, besides the increased gaming performance. All these new features that my old Z77 platform lacked like NVMe drive slots, DDR4, USB 3.1, and better overclocking features was all icing on the cake.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:21:42 EDT

me1212 posted : Phones and amd are using ddr4 now. Plus samsung b die has been mostly bought up by gskill. Other good dies are following suit by other big guys

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:10:45 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by WK2:

Here is the final build list. My one question to the community...Do I go with Red or White LED strips and fans?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($496.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 66.7 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM ATX AM4 Motherboard ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum Chrome 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($419.99 @ Corsair)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($479.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB CLASSIFIED GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($591.17 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($140.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2567.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-19 12:36 EDT-0400

It's amazing how much that Corsair Dominator Platinum SE has increased in price since I bought mine in January. Basically increased almost ~30% in cost.
Damn does it look bad ass though with the white LEDs. But, that's what you pay for one of the highest clocked, lowest latency memory kits out there.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:49:08 EDT

me1212 posted : red.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:30:14 EDT

xrobertcmx posted : I did a job interview last year at an office that had virtualized over 2000 desktops. The initial issue was the amount of IO, but they moved to massive SSD arrays. It was really impressive.
My last office was all Core 2 and first/second gen i5 laptops. We needed upgrades for those, RAM was becoming an issue.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:48:54 EDT

SysOp posted :

said by El Quintron:

said by Ghastlyone:

Pretty much, if you're on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, it's time to upgrade.

Real world ddr3 to ddr4 fps is negligible, as well as real world ahci to nvme game load times. For most mortals looking for an upgrade path, an HDR monitor and GPU should be at the very top of your shopping list.

»youtu.be/tIXSSOzyLbs

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:37:34 EDT

WK2 posted : Here is the final build list. My one question to the community...Do I go with Red or White LED strips and fans?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($496.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 66.7 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM ATX AM4 Motherboard ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum Chrome 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($419.99 @ Corsair)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($479.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB CLASSIFIED GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($591.17 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($140.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2567.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-19 12:36 EDT-0400

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Sun, 19 Mar 2017 10:13:42 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by Ghastlyone:

Pretty much, if you're on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, it's time to upgrade.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:41:37 EDT

WK2 posted :

said by me1212:

Dont do thermaltake. While they are good they dont have their am4 mounting kits until tje 27th. Hence why im waiting. Coolermatser. Or corsair

I have a 212 Evo with the AM4 bracket which I will use in the meantime.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:33:18 EDT

me1212 posted : Dont do thermaltake. While they are good they dont have their am4 mounting kits until tje 27th. Hence why im waiting. Coolermatser. Or corsair

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:15:55 EDT

WK2 posted :

said by WK2:

I think I'll be going with this setup:

1800X
»www.microcenter.com/prod ··· rocessor

And

MSI Titanium MB
»www.microcenter.com/prod ··· herboard

I did go ahead and pick up these two parts.

Now I have to find a good AM4 liquid cooler...

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:43:05 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by Krisnatharok:

I wonder if you took the best OC from any previous Core i-series generation (I think Sandy Bridge got close to 5 GHz before they starting cheaping out on heat spreader TIM) and compare it to Kaby Lake at its best overclock, and I wonder which chip wins, and how big the difference is in gaming (if any).

This review from GamersNexus is good and shows stock clocks and the 7700K overclocked to 5.1ghz. Pretty much, if you're on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge, it's time to upgrade. Devil's Canyon and Skylake still put up really good numbers....

»www.gamersnexus.net/hwre ··· k/page-6

This article shows both the 2600K and 7700K at 4.5ghz, about a 20-25% increase with Kaby right out of the box...

»www.hardocp.com/article/ ··· _review/

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:19:04 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : I wonder if you took the best OC from any previous Core i-series generation (I think Sandy Bridge got close to 5 GHz before they starting cheaping out on heat spreader TIM) and compare it to Kaby Lake at its best overclock, and I wonder which chip wins, and how big the difference is in gaming (if any).

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:53:49 EDT

me1212 posted : Hmm looks good. A bit curious on why the 1800x over say the other two.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:52:17 EDT

me1212 posted : Yes they were a lot larger, but the q6600 and e6600 were the same generation. the q6600 was two e6600 in the same packaage. Before long we'll hit a point where more cores matters since well you are right and ipc gains are less so more cores is all we have left. Personally though I hope we find something to replace silicon that can just clock higher, I think some graphite prototypes hit 100ghz, it'll make my programmer life easier. :D

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:28:22 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by me1212:

the q6600 and e6600 are still fresh in people's minds and they are overthinking stuff.

Back when they launched the e6600 could clock to 4ghz if you got a golden sample like my bro did. the q6600 3.2. Guess which one did better for games back then? About 4 years down the line when games started using 4 threads the q6600 was still doable but the e6600 was not so much. But by then the 2500k was out and yeah it was upgrade time. Truth be told I do expect the 5820k/6800k/1700 vs quad core i7 to end similarly but again in 4-5 years from now. By then I'll have done 1 maybe even 2 FULL system rebuilds and since intel and amd are making sockets last a while now(both ~2020 before they replace them they said iirc) so for me I dont care about down the road I care about now. For gaming NOW its 7700k or bust. For productivity/coding/mix of them + gaming its 1700. People need to accept it, especially reddit omfg they are legit mad at amd for not going gaming first over the big money makers and reviewers for being ethical and honest.

As for office pcs I am spoiled. Got an i7 870 and i7 4790 to my left and right respectively in a ^ formation.

You gotta remember too, IPC gains were a lot larger generation over generation back then. Now, we're seeing small IPC gains.

So it's either higher clocks speeds, or more cores for gaming. We all know which one nets the higher frame rates. I'll take the higher clock speeds all day long for the time being.

No two ways about it though, for productivity you can't beat an R7 1700. My point of view is based strictly on gaming (and even people doing light video editing, etc.), since that's all my PC builds are for, the 7700K is a beast CPU.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:22:59 EDT

WK2 posted : I think I'll be going with this setup:

1800X
»www.microcenter.com/prod ··· rocessor

And

MSI Titanium MB
»www.microcenter.com/prod ··· herboard

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:20:03 EDT

me1212 posted : Side note: ps4 and xb1 games will never use 8 threads. 1 or 2,depending on the system, cores are unavailable for developer use. Instead devoted to running the os of the system and managing download and internet usage and such. But still games are starring to use 6 to 8 threads. Look at the games where an i7 beats the same generation and clocksd i5

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:08:27 EDT

me1212 posted : the q6600 and e6600 are still fresh in people's minds and they are overthinking stuff.

Back when they launched the e6600 could clock to 4ghz if you got a golden sample like my bro did. the q6600 3.2. Guess which one did better for games back then? About 4 years down the line when games started using 4 threads the q6600 was still doable but the e6600 was not so much. But by then the 2500k was out and yeah it was upgrade time. Truth be told I do expect the 5820k/6800k/1700 vs quad core i7 to end similarly but again in 4-5 years from now. By then I'll have done 1 maybe even 2 FULL system rebuilds and since intel and amd are making sockets last a while now(both ~2020 before they replace them they said iirc) so for me I dont care about down the road I care about now. For gaming NOW its 7700k or bust. For productivity/coding/mix of them + gaming its 1700. People need to accept it, especially reddit omfg they are legit mad at amd for not going gaming first over the big money makers and reviewers for being ethical and honest.

As for office pcs I am spoiled. Got an i7 870 and i7 4790 to my left and right respectively in a ^ formation.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:37:36 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Except they think they are saving money with thin clients, and don't realize they have to beef up their pipe and network infrastructure to support. Thin clients can quickly choke without enough resources assigned to each VM. Better to use a beefy thick client and do all the processing locally, even if the PC has to be replaced every 3 years. I don't need artifacting and lag when scrolling through an Excel spreadsheet that I would rather work off of locally. It gets even worse when you have multiple excels with tens of thousands of rows and columns open with 15-20 tabs in your browser.

You're going to spend the money one way or another, either upgrading substantial desktops with decent specs or because you are investing more money into your network back-end infrastructure to support VMs being pushed to thin clients. Management doesn't realize this though.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:20:16 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by SysOp:

Agreed, the most powerful machine I've ever had at an office has been an i5, and I suspect that's because they didn't have any core2s on standby.

said by SysOp:

The workstations spend more time waiting on the employee for input, than the other way around.

Depending on the type of institution you're at, this is mostly true but only because there's high and low seasons. Banks during tax time/school time being a perfect example of that.

Re: New Build - AMD or Intel

Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:08:57 EDT

SysOp posted :

said by El Quintron:

As someone who's performed a lot of mundane office tasks in my life, no one in an office is getting a Ryzen machine anytime soon.

Most "office PCs" (like the ones I used at the bank and investment firms) are still rocking core 2 duos and quads, Pentiums, and maybe a first generation i5 if you're lucky. Management is walking around with 5+ year old think pads, and sales most likely have iPhones, and that's if they're not old and still walking around with a Blackberry.

Anything that involves accountants or finance always means that if the machine is "good enough" we're not replacing it.

When looking at office productivity, we replaced their monitors, mice, keyboards, and chairs before we even considered replacing their thin clients. Even then, we replaced them with core 2 duos, because office apps won't bottleneck those machines. They come back from standby and launch email or our point of sale in seconds.

Staff waste more time talking to each other than anything else. The workstations spend more time waiting on the employee for input, than the other way around.