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tpiazrule
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Re: Pig girl

said by El Quintron:

said by tpiazrule:

Intent doesn't factor into it--or shouldn't at least.

Intent obviously did as she was found not guilty on all charges.
said by tpiazrule:

She just had no business doing what she did.

I don't feel that a small gesture of humanity (even if you eat pork) is really that much to get up in arms about. If anything the reaction gave more credence to her cause than she ever did.

EQ

My point was it didn't matter her intent as it wasn't her property and she had no business tampering with it.

It is very black and white here with no grey tones. She was charged with the wrong charge of mischief and that is why she was found not guilty. She wasn't being mischievious that doesn't mean she is not guilty of tampering with someone else's property, in which case the intent of what she was doing would be irrelevant.
daeron
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said by tpiazrule:

said by El Quintron:

said by tpiazrule:

Intent doesn't factor into it--or shouldn't at least.

Intent obviously did as she was found not guilty on all charges.
said by tpiazrule:

She just had no business doing what she did.

I don't feel that a small gesture of humanity (even if you eat pork) is really that much to get up in arms about. If anything the reaction gave more credence to her cause than she ever did.

EQ

My point was it didn't matter her intent as it wasn't her property and she had no business tampering with it.

It is very black and white here with no grey tones. She was charged with the wrong charge of mischief and that is why she was found not guilty. She wasn't being mischievious that doesn't mean she is not guilty of tampering with someone else's property, in which case the intent of what she was doing would be irrelevant.

Of course intent should be part of it. That's one of the cornerstones of our justice system. Rare are situations so black and white.
tpiazrule
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tpiazrule

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When someone is caught red handed committing an act that they should not have been committing, it does not matter what their intent was because they were caught in the act of perpetrating the offense.

Anonccfb8
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said by tpiazrule:

My point was it didn't matter her intent as it wasn't her property and she had no business tampering with it.

Your point remains inherently incorrect. Intent not only matters - it is fundamental to a criminal conviction.
said by tpiarule :

When someone is caught red handed committing an act that they should not have been committing, it does not matter what their intent was because they were caught in the act of perpetrating the offense.

Just because someone is caught red handed committing an act that they should not have been committing does not mean what they were committing was a criminal act.
said by tpiazrule:

It is very black and white here with no grey tones. She was charged with the wrong charge of mischief and that is why she was found not guilty. She wasn't being mischievious that doesn't mean she is not guilty of tampering with someone else's property, in which case the intent of what she was doing would be irrelevant.

Aside from nothing in this world ever being as black and white as people some people sitting from the comfort of their chair commenting on an Internet message board like to think, mischief was the correct charge as it pertains to not just damaging property but also interfering with its use. A criminal conviction for mischief however still requires the Crown to prove that said damage and/or interference was willful and deliberate. The judge believed the defense that she had no intention of damaging or interfering with that property and was simply providing animals with water. This was further validated by the company themselves not feeling that there was any serious risk to public safety by the woman giving the pigs water. Without intent to damage or interfere with that property, the crime of mischief has not been committed and the judge found her not guilty.

(for what it's worth, the judge completely rejected the defense of acting in the greater good)

None of this absolves her of any liability in a civil suit, though the onus would now turn to the company in question to prove that they suffered a loss by her actions.

digitalfutur
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The case fell apart because the truck driver testified that he was concerned about damage or injury to the pigs as a result of her providing the water to the pigs, BUT, did not report the incident to the food processor.

His actions did not match his words.

Anonce861
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said by digitalfutur:

The case fell apart because the truck driver testified that he was concerned about damage or injury to the pigs as a result of her providing the water to the pigs, BUT, did not report the incident to the food processor.

His actions did not match his words.

Exactly. The truck driver not reporting it to the processor confirmed the defense's claim that the accused did not have any intention of causing damage or interference with the property that would warrant criminal charges, because he himself did not believe that to be true at the actual time of the act.
tpiazrule
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said by Anonce861 :

said by digitalfutur:

The case fell apart because the truck driver testified that he was concerned about damage or injury to the pigs as a result of her providing the water to the pigs, BUT, did not report the incident to the food processor.

His actions did not match his words.

Exactly. The truck driver not reporting it to the processor confirmed the defense's claim that the accused did not have any intention of causing damage or interference with the property that would warrant criminal charges, because he himself did not believe that to be true at the actual time of the act.

And now you can read minds? You have no idea why the driver did not report it.

It could have been that he didn't want to deal with the hassle that would ensue because of an idiots criminal actions.
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said by tpiazrule:

said by Anonce861 :

said by digitalfutur:

The case fell apart because the truck driver testified that he was concerned about damage or injury to the pigs as a result of her providing the water to the pigs, BUT, did not report the incident to the food processor.

His actions did not match his words.

Exactly. The truck driver not reporting it to the processor confirmed the defense's claim that the accused did not have any intention of causing damage or interference with the property that would warrant criminal charges, because he himself did not believe that to be true at the actual time of the act.

And now you can read minds? You have no idea why the driver did not report it.

It could have been that he didn't want to deal with the hassle that would ensue because of an idiots criminal actions.

The driver was more concerned with greed. It's likely he didn't want to report it on the chance the whole load might get rejected. Or he'd get a reduced price on the load.
tpiazrule
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said by gpostal:

The driver was more concerned with greed. It's likely he didn't want to report it on the chance the whole load might get rejected. Or he'd get a reduced price on the load.

Exactly, I was just being nice about it lol.

Anonccfb8
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said by tpiazrule:

And now you can read minds? You have no idea why the driver did not report it.

Except your statement above is entirely irrelevant because the truck driver demonstrated through his actions that the situation was not serious by failing to report it to the company. The judge acquitted the accused for that reason.
said by tpiazrule:

It could have been that he didn't want to deal with the hassle that would ensue because of an idiots criminal actions.

So now you can read his mind? You have no idea why the driver did not report it. Seems a bit hypocritical to be doing the same thing now after your earlier statement, no?

Either way, if such a ridiculous hypothetical is the reason why the driver couldn't be bothered to report it, it's his laziness cost the Crown a conviction. Thank goodness she wasn't actually feeding the pigs something toxic, because his laziness could have made people sick, too. I hope they fire him, because our food supply doesn't need idiots like him with any sort of care and control.

El Quintron
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said by tpiazrule:

She wasn't being mischievious that doesn't mean she is not guilty of tampering with someone else's property, in which case the intent of what she was doing would be irrelevant.

Intent in this case is everything, she didn't intend to poison the pigs, as such, it's unlikely the tampering charges would've gone very far either.

This was in fact a stunt, I'm not kidding myself on that level (the woman is a political activist), but no harm came of it, which is why (altogether now) she was found not guilty.
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