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Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 13:56:34 EDT

Well Bonded posted :

CNG would work fine for fleet vehicles.

CNG is a disaster for fleet vehicles, at AT&T we went all they way in 2012 with CNG, the company had to hire an entire work force to refuel the vehicles every three days or so at night and since there where only 3 refueling stations in all of Broward county at the time, most of the time the vehicles where parked the next morning with only three quarters of a tank due to the number of miles they had to be driven after refueling to get back to the work centers. A second major problem was there where so many trucks being refueled at the same time the refueling stations would run out of CNG before all of the trucks where filled up, causing many to be brought back with only a days worth of fuel.

Because of that at least one or two vehicles per week would run out of fuel and have to be towed to refueling station during the day, once the stations got their pressure back up costing the company hundreds if not thousands of dollars per week in technician down time and missed commitments.

If you haven't noticed everyone is driving big cars, SUV's, crossovers. Where are all these small cars that can't fit tanks in them?

Managers and engineers are issued small vehicles and they only have enough room in the trunk to hold two very small tanks giving about a 125 mile range on a fill up.

That also eliminates using the trunk for storage of anything else and turns the vehicle into a rolling gas bomb in a rear end collision, just imagine what will could happen when two tanks of CNG pressurized to 3600 PSI are ruptured in a rear end collision.

I also believe one worker has already been killed refueling a CNG vehicle when the nozzle failed then came off the filler on the truck and struck the worker killing him instantly.

Can you say lawsuit?

You will get a lost of range I do know that but the infacture is there for filling stations.

I can assure you there is no such thing as a CNG infrastructure, if a county the size of Broward County has only two CNG filling stations left both in Pompano (one in Lauderdale closed down due to operating costs) smaller counties have none at all.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 12:17:44 EDT

Corehhi posted : CNG would work fine for fleet vehicles.

If you haven't noticed everyone is driving big cars, SUV's, crossovers. Where are all these small cars that can't fit tanks in them? You will get a lost of range I do know that but the infacture is there for filling stations.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 12:15:49 EDT

Corehhi posted :

said by Well Bonded:

said by Corehhi:

That's the theory, move people to EV's as the government cleans up the power grid.

While the government has some regulatory control over the grid they do not own it nor are they going to pay for it to be upgraded. nor would you want them to.

No but back in the 90's when all these plans were cooked up the electrical grid was included. Realize when you get a bunch of left leaning save the world people with left leaning politicians which the majority are lawyers and have no science back ground, well plans end up not being realistic. Things like the power companies will pay for the grid upgrades because they will be making more money on EV's. That's their line of thought. Along with force car companies into the EV business and science will come along. We put people on the Moon we can do this.

I was around the liberal elite during the 90's and they had two main interests which were green power and getting everyone a house. The house idea already crashed and burned. They simply didn't realize if people can buy a house with nothing down they will abandon the house just as fast as the bought it. The thought was the major obstacle to home ownership was the down payment so they changed the rules at Fannie and Freddie to allow that. Other things also went on but that was the main problem that set everything in motion. Of course it also drove the housing market into a bubble.

The liberal elite has these ideas on paper that sound great but they lack any thought out plan or I should realistic plan. By now I believe the fleet in the US should be around 25% hybrids according to the plan. Battery tech should be about ready for massive storage at a cheap price. Alternative energy should be a large part of the US power generation by now. Etc. etc.

Of course they knew road revenue was going to go down so the plan was/is to tax EV's and hybrids to pay for the roads with the holy grail being paying a road tax on every mile driven with a GPS system built into every car. That also serves the NSA interest very well and at the time the normal person didn't know the NSA existed.

Subject is to big but this was all cooked up in the 90's by private jet liberals. Same goes for the right wing elite they are just about as stupid in their plans. Just to be fair that this isn't liberal bashing.

CNG should have been used as transition fuel. Tech is ready to go and in use right now. That is the cleanest option but not clean enough for the save the world people,

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 09:58:44 EDT

skipon11 posted : I like it. I don't think we have enough oil to burn for another 100 years so gotta do something.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 09:07:59 EDT

Well Bonded posted :

said by techguyga:

CNG and wind. CNG can fire power plants, power cars, trucks, buses etc and has lower emissions than either coal or gasoline.

CNG is not a practical solution because of storage problems, smaller CNG vehicles, can at best carry a day or two of fuel larger vehicles can be equipped multiple tanks giving them maybe an additional day, but the need for a larger vehicle to allow for the installation CNG tanks negates any savings CNG provides.

When my Astro van was replaced with a CNG van it required the company to go from a rather efficient Astro van to a Ford E-350, and even with a 4th CNG tank installed inside the vehicle, I still only could run 3 days between refills.

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Another problem with CNG is the refueling stations needs large high horse power 3 stage 3 phase pumps to pull the NG from the gas utility supplier to pump it up to 3600+ PSI for delivery to the vehicle.

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 08:51:42 EDT

Well Bonded posted :

said by Corehhi:

That's the theory, move people to EV's as the government cleans up the power grid.

While the government has some regulatory control over the grid they do not own it nor are they going to pay for it to be upgraded. nor would you want them to.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 01 Sep 2017 08:48:21 EDT

Well Bonded posted :

said by Anon953c6 :

Texas is also its own grid IIRC... so you aint getting power from texas to any other part of the USA...

That is partially incorrect, while Texas has their own grid (TRE) it is interconnected with both the Eastern Interconnection and the Western Interconnection as such Texas can both receive and send power to the "National" grids.

However EV's like solar and wind power are not grid friendly the reason being the grid has no storage capacity and requires stability in both generation and use.

Generation is the problem with both solar and wind, neither are stable sources of energy, a few passing clouds can shut down a solar farm and the wind varies by the moment, because of those problems for every megawatt of wind an solar deployed, an equal number of megawatts of fossil fuel must be on standby and because a conventional power plant or nuclear cannot be steamed up quickly, that standby power must be in the form of peakers which are gas or fuel fired turbines, which are both inefficient and very expensive to operate almost negating any savings from solar and wind while creating more pollution then conventional generation.

EV's add another problem for grid operators that being an additional load upon an already strained grid, there are a few solutions to the problem but they require new regulations to be imposed.

One possible solution utility operators is exploring is to incentivize daytime charging by providing construction credits for large commercial complex's to install solar or wind for daytime EV charging.

Another solution which is already being implemented is requiring sub metering for EV chargers allowing the utility to disconnect EV chargers during residential peak times commonly 5PM to 9PM, sub metering combined with AMI makes that a simple to implement.

Yet another solution is to use AMI to incentivize customers to delay EV charging by having considerably higher peak rates versus off peak rates, this solution would require no additional sub metering, but could make EV charging more expensive than running on gasoline.

And one solution the utilities would love to implement, but will probably never be implemented, is to require EV charger manufactures to build chargers that are also inverters, this way during peak hours the EV's battery would be discharged and backfill the peak load and then off peak recharge the EV at a discounted rate depending on the net metering results.

The problem with that is it lowers the overall life of the EV battery due to the additional charge/discharge cycles.

Another problem with EV's and this is getting some serious attention is the loss of fuel tax both local and federal, money which is earmarked for transportation roads and highways the same roads and highways EV use but currently get a free ride on.

Two solutions that will happen and are already in the works in 32 states are, an annual alternate fuel tax that will be included in the cost of applying for and renewing EV licenses and or a mileage tax where the EV owner will be required to bring his EV to the dealer to receive a certified odometer reading and his tag renewal fee's will be based in part on the annual recorded mileage.

While on the surface EV's seem like a solution for pollution, they are really a not too well though out technology which in reality actually shifts the cost of the solution on to others who have no interest in driving an EV.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:58:55 EDT

Corehhi posted : Tesla 3's are not even close to hitting their numbers, rumor has it the ones leaving the factory are hand built. The machine that is making the machines isn't working.

Elon Musk. "Making cars is hard." LOL.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:56:22 EDT

BonezX posted : Yes, by evening out the load spike and distributing the load over time they can better manage the peak load on the overall power system.

This is what I would want to see done with power grids and new/refitted homes and businesses, where there is a battery/capacitor between the internal load and the grid that can soak up spikes in the home, distributed over a grid this could potentially eliminate brown outs by giving the grid time to equalize the load vs output during off to on prime shift(everyone gets home and cranks the AC, turns on the TV/computer, runs a shower ect).

There is already something along this line at the grid level, but by putting it in as a per unit basis, they can scale directly compared to trying to estimate what they may or may not need in X years.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:13:24 EDT

Kearnstd posted : Using a battery to deal with spikes is actually what some really powerful car audio systems use. They use those spiral batteries between the feed from under the hood and the amp, when the bass hits hard the battery takes up the slack.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:25:02 EDT

BonezX posted : Look at Hondas IMA system, that type of packaging makes it a bit easier then having two systems.

Not so much in the second part, they could have a large fuel tank and a decently sized battery ballast, the Tesla is quite large and to be honest slightly overpowered for the sake of marketing(~4s 0-60 sounds good in marketing), the battery only really has to deal with spikes in output when you hit the funpedal, but if the generator is sized appropriately it wouldn't be a problem.

»www.viamotors.com/
already a thing, company started by Bob Lutz. If they changed engines and swapped to direct drive they could get a bit more out of it, but 30mpg from a truck is pretty good.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:19:05 EDT

Kearnstd posted :

said by BonezX:

said by Kearnstd:

What I have been surprised at in EVs was the rarity of Fuel-Electrics. We have Hybrids but in those the engine is connected to the driveline. I think the Volt is a gas/electric though.

That's the "hybrid" system i like the most, it gets the engine to run steady state and allows you to downsize it considerably, the Jalop link i posted earlier that's what the Miss State team did, 850cc motorgenerator hooked to a ballast battery into an electric drive.

The volt is still mechanically attached, contrary to the advertising blitz that went with its release.

It can also be scaled up to industrial uses, then we will really have "Land Trains".

I have suspected that one reason they have not done this much in hybrid cars is cost. Perhaps the "dual input" transmission system is cheaper than the higher HP electric motors and related electrical controls needed for a purely electrical driveline.

A purely indirect system like trains use but scaled down to a car would in the end have to have the same grade electrical systems as a Tesla only the power source is an engine.

Of course it did kind of just dawn on me, This kind of hybrid system could be excellent for a pickup truck. You would get the available electrical power for towing and then when its parked you have a big high output generator. Heck market a "Power failure kit" so you can plug the truck into one of those generator plugs they sell for homes. (And have the pushbutton start system have a "Generator Mode" where it could run without the keyfob but not be put into a driving mode).

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:32:15 EDT

Thane_Bitter posted : Who's a fanboy, the car isn't an factor in that video, rather I am criticizing an idiot that can't drive, claims he is frugal and blows money on unnecessary shit. I grew up in an era of big block engines, RWD, cheap gas and lots of snow; no technology in the world could possible fix his lack of skill and inability to learn, and yet he blames the car.

Watch his video, him and his wife HAD to have Tesla, no other reason given. Its the same stupid logic of a child, it sees something and has to have it, price practicality and other important factors are not even considered.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:50:50 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted : VIDEO EXCLUSIVE: A CLOSER LOOK AT THE TESLA MODEL 3’S INTERIOR: »www.motortrend.com/news/ ··· nterior/

Re: Tesla Model 3

Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:19:12 EDT

BonezX posted :

said by Kearnstd:

What I have been surprised at in EVs was the rarity of Fuel-Electrics. We have Hybrids but in those the engine is connected to the driveline. I think the Volt is a gas/electric though.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:51:02 EDT

78324176 posted : You don't see gas because you can't let the gas sit in the tank, it will turn to junk in no time because of the ethanol... you don't see diesel because the cost is not worth it... your going for money saved when the exhaust system cots 7k... its hard to recoup that. Evs are a feel good vehicle or a money saving vehicle, they sell zero emissions, they sell, way less moving parts and maintenance, as soon as you stick a gas engine in... you are trying to sell ONLY on savings... and it don't work.

Cleanest and safest omg what koolaid did you drink. Radioactive waste some of what can last 500,000 years is clean and safe, leaking into ground water etc is clean and safe? Ya japans reactor is really clean and safe, I mean, 6 years later they still have NO clue how to stop the flood of radiation but... ya its clean. Japan had to IIRC 10X the UN's safe level of radiation because well... the island is contaminated... lol...

Oh and lets not forget cynobal (sp?), cause you know that huge dome they had to put over and and all the people that died trying to contain it, the huge area you can't enter...

Clean and safe. Tell me about all the coal plants that that has happened to.

»www.usnews.com/news/arti ··· scrutiny

»www.cbsnews.com/news/rad ··· e-sites/

Clean and safe.

Can't wait for a Carrington Event to happen... bye bye world... nuclear meltdowns all around.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· GOhVra5g

YUM nice radioactive beef...

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· UqoMH7-A

NEVER seen these problems with a coal plant, lol. I mean, they are putting radiation numbers next to the food.

thats PBS, they are TESTING the food for radiation before putting it on the shelves... only with clean safe nuclear.

Wish I could find the vid on YT where some mothers went walking around a park, you could see the radiation meters on the streets .2msv

So they walk about the park LOL, one meter goes "Out of range" its so high, they bring in another its like 20... not .2 20.

»www.sott.net/article/313 ··· er-plant

seems safe...

»www.pbs.org/newshour/run ··· rk-city/

»www.crainsnewyork.com/ar ··· ink-seen

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:50:54 EDT

Tekie posted :

said by Kearnstd:

Oh and Nuclear is still the cleanest and safest baseload generating source. No other plant type comes close other than large scale Hydro for being able to cleanly generate thousands of gigawatt hours constantly.

But, but, but what about Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima?
/sarcasm

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:02:29 EDT

Kearnstd posted : What I have been surprised at in EVs was the rarity of Fuel-Electrics. We have Hybrids but in those the engine is connected to the driveline. I think the Volt is a gas/electric though.

But its what powers pretty much any train that does not use overhead wires or third rail. the diesel in a locomotive just spins a generator.

Oh and Nuclear is still the cleanest and safest baseload generating source. No other plant type comes close other than large scale Hydro for being able to cleanly generate thousands of gigawatt hours constantly.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:45:22 EDT

78324176 posted : Ya cause he did not own it for more than 9 months right? Legit question I don't follow anyone... pretty sure though its older than 9 months. wow you tesla fan boys are brutal, guy paints the caliper to have it look like a higher end car and you all attack the guy... like none of you ever spent money on something you did not need.

All you people with I grew up I drove this learn that I think none of you really understand... all power 0 rpm...

Oh and I give up, show me a vid of a likely AWD car vs a RWD... whats your point I also found some place saying you must pull a fuse to really fully turn off TC.

I mean typical stuff here I can post and prove 9/10 things and the 9 will be ignored and number 10 will be what is harped on next.

Got a buddy who just went on vacation... 150 miles 1 way. not super far but... okay... so we been loling about pure EV talk like what goes on here... (example "clean nuclear" he says, ya its only killed the largest ocean on the planet) so we talked about if you took a tesla on the trip and he was like so, what do I do, how do I charge it how does it work exactly... I said, you better find someplace to charge, or hope you hotel has a charger, etc you aint making it back with out a charge.

He asks how long to charge, I explain, depends on charger, and supercharging is not good for the battery pack, after you do it too much (alot) you will be locked out, also, when going to a super charger you must look at the stalls, if you are the second in a pair, you may not get full speed charging...

He goes, that's stupid, so its only good for like the city... (okay so you have someone here who aint gona stop to charge)

I go, where do you park in the city and charge? (thinking of NYC) we lol and @ the power lines during a heatwave vibrating in the ground because of the power usage... how do you charge the car.

I mean a parking spot in NYC (with out a charger) can be sold for 200k rofl. JUST THE SPOT.

I mean its like the cult of EV.

On the graphene battery note, stop pretending the tech exists and no one wants to use it cause they are stupid, it is not current doable.

»www.greencarreports.com/ ··· promised

They could not do it for some reason and they said they were gona...

Re: Tesla Model 3

Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:08:04 EDT

Thane_Bitter posted : Destroys new tires in 9 months and fishtails over the road and blames the car, sorry dude its your wife, she doesn't know how to drive.
Says hes thrifty then shows unnecessary new rims and painted calipers on car. The car was the smartest thing in the video.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:12:39 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted : So what's a better alternative, hydrogen fuel cells?

Like I said, Graphene is a much better alternative; higher storage capacity, more efficient energy distribution, and fast recharge times. Also, it's easy to produce, and has a much lower carbon footprint, and doesn't use Earth's natural minerals and resources like that, and you don't have the toxic pollution issues with creating it.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 23:42:38 EDT

Corehhi posted : One last comment. You do need to know how to drive high performance cars like the Tesla. The graveyards are filled with guys who bought something they didn't understand and off into a tree, field, cliff whatever, they did go. With many violent endings.

I grew up driving fast cars that didn't have TCS, none of them did till fairly recently. I can out brake ABS because I know how to do it. Look it up, ABS isn't the quickest stop it's just the easy stop for the major of people.

I've had this argue over computers before. People just want to use the thing and not know much about it.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:54:08 EDT

mackey posted : Don't feed the troll.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:21:09 EDT

BonezX posted : If the wheel speed sensors(which is part of the ABS system) were bad, he would have gotten a warning, also there was no recall on them as was claimed in the video.

His reasoning for it being unsafe in adverse weather is because it's RWD, not because of it's bald tires, and there is no TCS in the entire world that can compensate for that, thats if it was even enabled.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· 5aHxcang
TCS on, launching it is the first one, TCS off launching it is the second.

If you look into it a bit more, he traded the model S towards a model X, this wasn't a "because it's inherently not safe" it's a "because I don't understand how to drive a high powered RWD car and the X is new shiny and AWD". There is a huge tinge of keeping up with the joneses, and a drastic lack of understanding of veichle dynamics and proper matinence.

On the page that you quoted(»www.world-nuclear.org/in ··· ium.aspx), go to the section that says "Thorium as a nuclear fuel", the bulletpoints at the top of the page are not a proper way to form an opinion, it's also a pretty interesting read.

NG(or LNG) has a higher specific energy(MJ/kg) then Coal.
Money wise Coal is cheaper per million BTU, but that has more to do with how it is sold.
Coal plants have been long paid for(even with upgrades), so it's operating costs overall will be lower, where they are only really paying for matinence.
(L)NG plants would be much newer, so the cost of the plant itself is still part of the cost of the product, making it more expensive initially.
Co2 is still going to be an issue as long as you are burning stuff, by centralizing it you can increase the size and complexity of the emissions control system, or have a Co2 brick plant there because why not.
»phys.org/news/2016-03-ca ··· ete.html

That link was for a generator/electric hybrid where the gas engine runs at or neat optimal cycle and is mechanically detached from the drivetrain, they used an 850cc snowmobile engine, if they used something a bit more advanced, like I dunno, a small displacement HCCI engine, that 102mpge number will be much higher, considerably easier to keep the engine in the HCCI range, would drastically reduce emissions, and still be functional in places where there is little to no electric infrastructre. Or your big worry "shitty coal plants". It would still generate emissions, but a 50% reduction across the entire driving fleet around the world would be pretty drastic.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:34:34 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted : As I said, screw it and just move to graphene. It's more efficient, and easier to produce with MUCH less waste.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:35:05 EDT

78324176 posted :

said by BonezX:

Wheel sensors cant fix bald tires in adverse weather(watch the video again, the guy is a moron)

No sorry you are the moron he said the tires were like 9 months old (less than a year for sure) and were that bald because *every time* good or bad weather you would go to take off it would spin the tires because the sensor was bad... if the front tires are fine and the rear shot, its the fault of the car...

If you know ANYTHING about cars any modern cars they all have ABS sensors generally used to stop wheel spin... I am sure an EV with RWD only and all that power at 0rpm, needs to limit it for wheel spin at take off. Every diesel engine made now has a limit for initial power to stop wheel spin for example...

Um, if the dude puts on tires 9 months ago, the front tires are totally fine and the rears are 100% past shot. Explain to me how that has anything to do with weather. Weather just exacerbates the problem brand new tires or not. You need to go back and watch and LISTEN to what was said.

oh and FUEL thorium, is enriched with U232 please go to some research.

"Thorium is more abundant in nature than uranium. It is fertile rather than fissile, and can only be used as a fuel in conjunction with a fissile material such as recycled plutonium. Thorium fuels can breed fissile uranium-233 to be used in various kinds of nuclear reactors."

Now I won't pretend to be a nuclear engineer but I know plutonium is more dangerous than uranium because it is what makes MOX fuel so bad... (the fuel used in japans damaged reactors hell if imma try to spell that place) now I know you have plutonium 238 239 240 idk what is used with thorium maybe it is a more stable not toooo bad. Idk. But ya...

Your using uranium... I mean... last I knew, the thing that made thorium so great was the reactor could be made very safe, rather than the run away you get with current reactors you could dump the reaction chamber, and it would stay contained and not melt down.

Still makes radioactive waste.

You talk about how efficient NG can be yet I see no links, if you are not gona back up what you say just stop saying it. I have posted links... you post what you feel like saying... NG is somewhat cleaner and is less efficient than coal. Again my links show this. Coal does release alot more stuff that NG however, but since this is all over co2... lol, who cares.

You missed 100% what the guy was talking about in the vid...

You state one part that makes throium better, nothing to do with the nuclear waste (and the point of EV is "no emissions" right not no melt down) and I said u232 not u233. both and bad.

That link says NOTHING about HCCI that I saw (ctrl F for HCCI and hom)

and no links to back up your NG stuff (that still puts out co2, that again evs like to say... "0 emissions")

I'd be fine to read up on NG efficiency, how thorium makes no dangerous waste... etc but you post 1 link that I skimmed and saw nothing talking about HCCI I saw hybrid.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:47:42 EDT

BonezX posted : Front weight + Front drive + Front Brake Bias + Bodyroll + Driving like you stole it = really bald ass tires quick.

Either way, guy needs new tires and a lighter foot, not a whole new car(and possibly checking if TCS is on).

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:24:41 EDT

Corehhi posted : If you rotate them you just end up with 4 bald tires not two. Common problem back in the early 80's with the hot hatchbacks like the VW GTI. 10,000 miles on the front tires if that, when driving hard. We just replaced the fronts when they wore out. Helped cash flow by buying two at a time not four. LOL.

Performance cars burn through tires, I have no doubt a Tesla if driven hard will eat through the tires. Start doing doughnuts etc.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 21:38:40 EDT

BonezX posted : »jalopnik.com/this-first- ··· 97857601

Some clips of the "interface"

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 21:32:05 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted :

said by Jim Gurd:

said by BonezX:

Performance Summer Tires, people are having them wear out in ~10k miles. 10k miles in 8 months is pretty easy to hit if you are driving it daily.

Wouldn't it be the front tires which would wear out first, since they do the steering and the bulk of the braking?

If it's the dual motor, then all 4 tires would be working equally. If it's not the dual motor, then the regular motor is rear wheel drive.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 21:15:48 EDT

BonezX posted :

said by Jim Gurd:

said by BonezX:

Performance Summer Tires, people are having them wear out in ~10k miles. 10k miles in 8 months is pretty easy to hit if you are driving it daily.

Wouldn't it be the front tires which would wear out first, since they do the steering and the bulk of the braking?

Assuming square tire setup(as per factory) and rotated at least once, they should be pretty close(even with the extra spinning), but being that the rears have huge camber wear, they were never rotated, and it's a heavy ass(4500lb) car with a 52% rear weight bias.

Drive like a goober on street/track tires, don't do a proper rotation, expect them to wear out quickly.

Seriously, watch the entire video, listen to the soccer mom fallacy in action regarding adverse weather.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:44:47 EDT

Jim Gurd posted :

said by BonezX:

Performance Summer Tires, people are having them wear out in ~10k miles. 10k miles in 8 months is pretty easy to hit if you are driving it daily.

Wouldn't it be the front tires which would wear out first, since they do the steering and the bulk of the braking?

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:20:55 EDT

BonezX posted :

said by Jim Gurd:

said by BonezX:

Wheel sensors cant fix bald tires in adverse weather(watch the video again, the guy is a moron)

In his defense, he said that the tires were only 8 months old. The wheel sensors were faulty and replacements were not available immediately. They allowed the wheels to spin, and thus wear the tires out prematurely.

Nevertheless, he seemed to say that they were eventually replaced, so all he should need is two new tires and the car should work as designed.

These tires
»www.continental-tires.co ··· tact-5-p

Performance Summer Tires, people are having them wear out in ~10k miles. 10k miles in 8 months is pretty easy to hit if you are driving it daily.

Guy is a moron.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:07:06 EDT

Jim Gurd posted :

said by BonezX:

Wheel sensors cant fix bald tires in adverse weather(watch the video again, the guy is a moron)

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:21:18 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted : I say screw it all and just use Graphene.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:25:40 EDT

BonezX posted : Wheel sensors cant fix bald tires in adverse weather(watch the video again, the guy is a moron)

Thorium is considerably better then Uranium(it is also alpha decay not beta decay, non self sustaining reaction) China has gone full nuts into Thorium, and the US would have too if the military didnt get involved.

Also U233 is considerably different then U238.

HCCI is awesome in terms of efficiency gains, if it was used as a low displacement range extender feeding a battery you could sit at peak eff all day long. This has been done, just not by an auto manufacturer.

»jalopnik.com/mississippi ··· 71825421

I was saying that the losses in a steam system arent from the turbines themselves its from the heating of the water, natural gas would destroy a coal plant in output efficiency(and emissions) but requires replacing boilers. Which would increase the coat for power until they are paid off, so cheap doesnt mean efficient or clean, just low operating costs(a 100 year old coal plant is cheaper to run then a 25 year old NG plant because the coal plant has long been paid for)

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:58:22 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted :

said by PhoenixDown:

Good point does it even have steering wheel controls?

Yes, it does. Check out the interior pics I posted on the first page of this thread.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:18:08 EDT

78324176 posted : Closed the tab out damn it so you get a shorter reply now...

Lol the guy is stupid because he had to wait 4 months to fix a car that was unsafe to drive because of stupid sensors that were a recalled item? really now? That is stupid? Also did not like the limited range... Get a grip and the guy also got a new (used) tesla to replace that one and said there were more reasons the other one was trashed.

I have deregulated power in my area, you can buy power from whoever or the local utility will buy it for you, 0 up charge. So anyone not efficient would be forced out. the entire US grid is in shit shape has nothing to do with my area. USA is way way way larger then canada from a grid perspective. and you also lost power in 03 from the US grid so.

HCCI is DIESEL efficiency with less than GAS emissions... please go back and read the thread I already linked to US gov numbers for efficiency COAL steam was 33%. You can find gas if you like on that website.

I also have no idea what "minor" problems you are speaking towards? I know you aint talking about the guy in the vid so. I am lost.

We have no thorium reactors. Thorium is not clean as when you want to use it as a fuel... you get U232... it is NOT CLEAN. I rather have plant food than radioactive waste...

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 22:42:25 EDT

dave posted : Kinda derivative, that whole centre console thing.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 22:32:43 EDT

DSL987 posted :

said by PhoenixDown:

Good point does it even have steering wheel controls?

From what I've read it has 2 user configurable scroll wheels, but not sure what they can do exactly.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 22:28:14 EDT

BonezX posted : Hold the fuck up,

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· ojvhwrdc
This guy doesn't know his head from the hole in his ass.

If your local grid sucks, mostly because of lack of investment by the managing companies or group, then start complaining to them about it. If the generators are old they will drop efficiency, if they are not properly maintained they will drop efficiency, if they purposefully avoid doing upgrades so that they "grandfather" requirements to avoid changes in the rules, then it will be an issue.

Truths of the world, complicated and effective emissions systems are big, which makes them hard to transport, smaller less effective ones are easier to transport, guess which one is in your car.

As for the engine efficiency, running at steady state, at "perfect" lift duration and timing(which is why VVT and other systems exist to increase this sweet spot) diesels are close to 50%, gas is close to 33%, gas turbines(direct ignition) are close to 20%, steam turbine conversion depending on the complexity of the system is 90%, how that steam is generated is where you get your losses, Thorium has the same specific energy as Uranium but is a non-cascading reaction and has a lower possible yield of fissionable material(weapons grade), depending on reactor type the "waste" can be recycled into the system, which the reactor would literally be burning it's own waste off creating drastically less.

If you can't find the solution to minor problems, you aren't trying hard enough.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:54:03 EDT

78324176 posted : I talk about efficiency, you talk about range, you kidding me? MY point is the extra pollution it has 0 to do with losing range, if you stay plugged in you are using power, power makes pollution... IDK many people are are getting to long term parking at 100%... average life of a car, drive 1 hour a day... sit the rest. So wow they waste alot...

Now I aint saying this guy knows shit... but this is how I saw the drain issue lol. I mean I knew if you let a normal car sit for 2 month it might kill that little car battery, but a car that runs OFF a battery will kill it that fast, what fail. Then he has issues even plugging it in ROFL.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· mTDWrbes

Guy claims he had 30 miles left... so that is a hair less then 10%... and its DEAD 4 days later.

You got anything to back up your 1%? I also wonder about outside temperature if that plays in...

I work outside, I live in an area that in the summer, we get pollution warnings for air quality... but this just don't work right now...

LOL and actually that vid was auto playing while I was typing this... super chargers are paired, so if you pull in second you don't get the full charge speed you get whatever is left over idk when I go to the gas station I don't need to worry too much about that...

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:01:45 EDT

PhoenixDown posted : Good point does it even have steering wheel controls?

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:00:09 EDT

DSL987 posted :

said by PhoenixDown:

said by Alpha Phoenix:

Who here actually likes the starkly Spartan interior of the Model 3?

I was highly interested in the Model 3 until I saw those pictures with no real dashboard and all the info bundled into the infotainment center. I just hate the look of it.

I would love a Model S or even Model X if I could afford it

I have a Model 3 reservation, and I loved everything about this car until they revealed the dash. I have not cancelled the reservation yet, as I'd like to try the car before making up my mind, but I'd have to say it would take a lot to keep me. I'm one of those old school guys that like the 3 dials for AC controls, because I can operate everything by feel. Same with the radio buttons, and cruise control.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:25:28 EDT

PhoenixDown posted : Yeah a HUD with speedometer, miles and battery remaining / miles would be great

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:33:49 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted :

said by PhoenixDown:

said by Alpha Phoenix:

Who here actually likes the starkly Spartan interior of the Model 3?

Agreed. I think Elon is pushing his own vision with little regard for what customers are asking for. Hell, if you are going to have everything in the center tablet/screen, at the very least have the option for a HUD!!!

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:32:22 EDT

Alpha Phoenix posted :

said by 78324176:

Don't worry the new HCCI motors if they roll out are going to 20-30% more efficient than mazdas current tech... Pumping that number up even more and diesels as you so nicely ignored are at 45%...

Also ignored was teslas 2-5% battery lose PER DAY while never used.

I never parked a car before and came back to an empty tank because *magic*... but you can park a tesla and come back in a few days to an empty tank... What a waste of power. got 0 miles per anything.

Actually this has been tested by multiple owners and the average is about 1%/day. And even so, so what? If you've got an EPA of 335 miles on a full charge, you aren't really loosing much per day. And who is really parking their Tesla for so many days for it to be completely depleted???? I don't know many people who would leave their cars in long term parking for over 100 days to come back to a depleted battery. Most people would leave their Tesla plugged in a home charging if they are going away for so long. And if you are going away and taking your Tesla, regular wall outlets are all over the place; so even though it's at a slower rate than Superchargers, you can still have your Tesla charging if you aren't using it for a few days if you've taken it with you.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 14:32:19 EDT

PhoenixDown posted :

said by Alpha Phoenix:

Who here actually likes the starkly Spartan interior of the Model 3?

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 14:26:14 EDT

78324176 posted : Don't worry the new HCCI motors if they roll out are going to 20-30% more efficient than mazdas current tech... Pumping that number up even more and diesels as you so nicely ignored are at 45%...

Also ignored was teslas 2-5% battery lose PER DAY while never used.

I never parked a car before and came back to an empty tank because *magic*... but you can park a tesla and come back in a few days to an empty tank... What a waste of power. got 0 miles per anything.

Re: Tesla Model 3

Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:04:00 EDT

DSL987 posted :

said by Jim Gurd:

said by Kearnstd:

Did you know that internal combustion engines are not even 20% efficient?

That's not correct. An internal combustion is about 33% efficient. It's coal fired electric plants that are about 20% efficient.

Maybe when operating in their peak efficiency window, problem is that most cars spend a lot of their time out of that window.