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Re: FiOS Gigabit ConnectionLooks like my area finally has got Gigabit. It seems like it's $20 more a month to get it over my 150/150. Not really sure if it's worth it when new customers are not paying that premium |
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shmerl
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2017-Sep-7 1:45 pm
said by hebrewbacon:Not really sure if it's worth it when new customers are not paying that premium Cancel and re-sign up. That's so far the only workaround for this nonsense (and one that was suggested to me by Verizon customer reps themselves). |
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kaboose join:2016-12-10 Gaithersburg, MD |
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I had some luck calling in and telling them I no longer wanted my TV and phone service but I wanted to move from 150/150mbps to 1gbps.
They said I was still on contract, but since the total monthly cost was similar they would let me do it. $145/month with 150/150 + TV +Phone. To $135/month with JUST gigabit.
A week after the gigabit install I went online and added TV and Phone back to my account, lowering my bill from $135/month to $95/month because of the triple play gigabit discounts.
So, not as cheap as new customer pricing, but I got a new contract without having to pay a termination fee on my old contract, and i'm paying $50 less a month for 1gbps than I was for 150mbps with the same TV and phone service (which I dont even use, they're only there to lower the final cost of the bill) |
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Anon
2017-Sep-7 3:39 pm
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What area are you in shmerl? |
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said by hebrewbacon:Looks like my area finally has got Gigabit. It seems like it's $20 more a month to get it over my 150/150. Not really sure if it's worth it when new customers are not paying that premium When did you see that the gig was available? Did you get their paper notification about it? |
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said by briarknit:When did you see that the gig was available? Did you get their paper notification about it? My friend who lives a mile away from me got gigabit and notified me today. I went online and checked my account and now see the option to upgrade to Gigabit for $20 more. Previously it would show 300/300 and 500/500 as options. |
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said by hebrewbacon:said by briarknit:When did you see that the gig was available? Did you get their paper notification about it? My friend who lives a mile away from me got gigabit and notified me today. I went online and checked my account and now see the option to upgrade to Gigabit for $20 more. Previously it would show 300/300 and 500/500 as options. Gotcha, and this is in middle river? I've been waiting over in the Reisterstown area for gig to rollout here but its been almost a year and still no luck =/ Comcast does have their 2gig thing though |
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said by briarknit:Gotcha, and this is in middle river?
I've been waiting over in the Reisterstown area for gig to rollout here but its been almost a year and still no luck =/
Comcast does have their 2gig thing though Yes, Middle River. |
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said by Anondeec3 :What area are you in shmerl? FiOS + Optimum one. |
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Comcast 2 gig is $300 monthly, $500 install + 2 year contract . I don't event thing fios gigabit for business is that night lol |
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kaboose join:2016-12-10 Gaithersburg, MD |
Depends where you live, around here comcast's 2gbps is $150/month locked in for 2 years on a 2 year contract.
That's about double FiOS's 1gbps cost ($70/month) for double the speeds. |
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dtv757
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2017-Sep-7 9:50 pm
I also read on the Comcast forum they have to install a massive amount of equipment . I saw server racks and more lol
My fios ONT is the size of a small planner/ book lol |
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Lexatt
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2017-Sep-7 11:55 pm
I thought Comcast 2gig was just the handoff, actual receiver equipment was up to you. |
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said by Lexatt:I thought Comcast 2gig was just the handoff, actual receiver equipment was up to you. I believe for installs they are providing a Juniper ACX2100 or ACX2200 1U rackmount switch for the 2gbps service with a Netgear R8000 router. So if you wanted to utilize 2gbps speeds you would need to provide your own router capable of those speeds as the netgear uses standard 1gbps RJ-45 WAN, the ACX2100/2200 come with an SFP handoff you can connect your own equipment to though if you wanted to get something capable of SFP 2gbps WAN. |
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shmerl
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2017-Sep-8 12:47 am
I wish Linksys would start making SFP enabled routers for their WRT series. |
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said by shmerl:I wish Linksys would start making SFP enabled routers for their WRT series. Without a pretty fancy custom ASIC or a fairly beefy ARM SoC, I don't see any consumer level linksys gear that would be able to effectively handle more than 1gbps traffic anyway. Throw an SFP connection on it if you want, but it still wouldn't get you 2gbps throughput without some beefy horsepower to back it up. |
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The Juniper equipment mentioned is routing equipment. I imagine that the Netgear is being used as an AP. |
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said by shmerl:I wish Linksys would start making SFP enabled routers for their WRT series. It would need to be SFP+. SFP is not used for anything higher than 1GbE. SFP theoretically could be used for 2.5GbE, but nobody makes such transceivers and the SFP ports might run into internal bottlenecks on hardware designed around the expectation that it would never be faster than 1GbE. |
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said by SArcanine:The Juniper equipment mentioned is routing equipment. I imagine that the Netgear is being used as an AP. The Juniper doesn't do any routing for the 2G/2G service. It's just being used as a switch. You get: 1G/1G handoff which you can then use for the provided wireless router for. 2G/2G MMF handoff, which you can use your own router for. Both are different circuits, with their own set of IPv4 and IPv6 address, so you can use up to 3G/3G of bandwidth. |
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said by whfsdude:said by SArcanine:The Juniper equipment mentioned is routing equipment. I imagine that the Netgear is being used as an AP. The Juniper doesn't do any routing for the 2G/2G service. It's just being used as a switch. You get: 1G/1G handoff which you can then use for the provided wireless router for. 2G/2G MMF handoff, which you can use your own router for. Both are different circuits, with their own set of IPv4 and IPv6 address, so you can use up to 3G/3G of bandwidth. Why would they purchase a $10,000 router for collocation and then use it as a switch? There is far cheaper equipment that they can use for that. It would be even cheaper to just use BiDi transceivers in media converters. That way the existing two lines could be plugged into switching equipment at the local node. What made you conclude that the Juniper router is being used as a switch? |
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Because that's how it is being used, there are people on this forum you can go look at to see their setups if you'd like, the comcast forum has several people with 2gbps service from what I know.
It's a switch with 1GbE handoff and 2Gbps SFP+ handoff. What you do with them is up to you. You're provided with a netgear R8000 but you can use whatever routing gear you want. |
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said by kaboose:Because that's how it is being used, there are people on this forum you can go look at to see their setups if you'd like, the comcast forum has several people with 2gbps service from what I know.
It's a switch with 1GbE handoff and 2Gbps SFP+ handoff. What you do with them is up to you. You're provided with a netgear R8000 but you can use whatever routing gear you want. That does not explain how you concluded that. I find it strange that I cannot find any references to the $10,000 Juniper router being used as a switch. Every description of it that I read says router. It probably can be used as a switch, but that seems wasteful. Here is a fairly detailed description. » www.pcgamer.com/what-its ··· country/ |
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» www.reddit.com/r/HomeNet ··· nternet/quote: you HAVE to have a router or firewall in front of those switches. You can't plug in the switch straight to the ACX2100 (with a really nice layer 3 switch and a very complicated setup you theoretically could, but not easy or standard). Comcast does not provide this, they only provide the juniper ACX2100
everything i've read from actual customers says it's being used as a switch and you provide your own routing gear. |
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whfsdude
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2017-Sep-8 9:56 am
said by kaboose:everything i've read from actual customers says it's being used as a switch and you provide your own routing gear. Correct. I'm an actual customer. They don't route on either the Ciena 3931 or Juniper ACX2100 as there's no need. It's an active ethernet point to point circuit. DWDM optics dropped in, then you're on your own 10G wave. |
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said by whfsdude:said by kaboose:everything i've read from actual customers says it's being used as a switch and you provide your own routing gear. Correct. I'm an actual customer. They don't route on either the Ciena 3931 or Juniper ACX2100 as there's no need. It's an active ethernet point to point circuit. DWDM optics dropped in, then you're on your own 10G wave. Thanks for the confirmation. If I had the network equipment already for such speeds i'd probably have upgraded as well. $150/month locked in for 2 years ain't bad for the service they're providing. But the capital costs to me would be pretty high, and I honestly am perfectly fine on my 1gbps :P |
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said by SArcanine:Why would they purchase a $10,000 router for collocation and then use it as a switch? There is far cheaper equipment that they can use for that. It would be even cheaper to just use BiDi transceivers in media converters. That way the existing two lines could be plugged into switching equipment at the local node. What made you conclude that the Juniper router is being used as a switch? Nope. One of the reasons they have an expensive layer 3 switch is so they can easy monitor the circuit and perform admin tasks such as tuning the SFP+ DWDM transceivers to use a different channel. Truck rolls aren't cheap. |
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Just called the Verizon rep and they were able to upgrade me to the Gigabit connection for the new customer pricing. My monthly dropped about $5. Had to renew the contract though. Speed upgrade should come in tomorrow |
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shmerl
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2017-Sep-8 4:05 pm
Well, you didn't need to give them the incentive to continue doing it. The best thing you could do was cancel and re-sign up, which would give you the lowest price without contract. Contracts really need to die out already. |
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kaboose join:2016-12-10 Gaithersburg, MD |
said by shmerl:cancel and re-sign up Lets be honest, that's not always a simple proposition, you're looking at minimally a few days of downtime as you switch to another ISP for a month while you wait for Verizon to allow you to sign up under the same SSN again. Assuming you even have another ISP you can switch to. And you have to take off work, or make some other arrangements to make sure installations happen when they're supposed to. So yea sure, after a month and some dicking around you can get new customer pricing off contract. If you have a spouse you can use to sign up for new service and not have any downtime, great for you. Not everyone does though so it's not as if you should expect everyone to do so. |
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You can sign up without giving Verizon your SSN. |
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