[BBR] Clan Public → Team Play issues

So far, since 1.4 came out, I've started to feel myself forced to team up with other people a lot more often than I used to. It's not just the changes of 1.4 that are at the root of this, but lag is an important factor as well.

Well... after partying up a few times, I've noticed some benefits, but also some downsides to it. For one thing, some of the solo shooting styles (ie: strafing, side-jumping) are big no no with the FF on. It often happens that teammates end up having to go through narrow pathways, where they end up inevitably in front of each-other. I've seen it happen again and again that teammates will kill each-other when an enemy shows up in front.

One explanation for this would be the type of guns used. Personally I prefer using the SMGs a lot more than rifles because I lag too much for me to aim right. I HAVE to spray in order to get kills. Now, using the SMGs also leads to a lot more strafe'n'spray rather than crouch and aim. This in turn leads me to become a poor team player unless I am absolutely careful at all times (which is rather difficult but nevertheless possible).

So, after playing like this a few times, I realized I'm a total n00b at teamplay, and although I've had a lot of fun trying to coordinate things with other teammates, there were many occasions where I kinda' messed up. Thus, I would love to hear any tips you guys may have in this regard.

Right now I feel that I know pretty well the playing style of most regs, so that wouldn't need pointing out . I need to know things like... how to approach a target, how to attack the enemy, how to distract... etc. while in a team, without dying right away .

Try to keep nade explosion distance away from the teammate infront of you. Just incase he runs into trouble he wont backup into you.

Ya thats the only thing i can suggest. Is to leave lots of room for your team mates to straf and back up when reloading. Nothing worse then trying to back up and your team mate is blocking you. I hate being blocked. hehehe

I have to agree - my TKing has not increased (knock on wood ) but I seem to be hitting more people with FF. I also find that I'm hesitating more often to avoid FF on team mates which is bad since delay gets you killed.

I still would rather have FF on than off.

That's my only real team play issue also. Last night on Chateau as CT on the I run up to the window facing the courtyard, blast a couple of rounds and retreat. All of the sudden, I'm back in the window dead.

As far as actual team play goes, I typically don't do it. I tend to go on my own to run distraction and flank. I almost always die, but I feel I did my part to help the team.

I've pretty much given up on teamwork. I've tried countless times to coordinate a plan, but no one listens or replies. They seem to move like sheep, ignoring dropped bombs, leaving sites empty, etc. I will just have to play on my own, like I always do.

Which is why people like me dont really stick with the team while playing in pubs. If I had someone I knew like dady or Liet on my team. We would work fine together but with players I dont know and who dont know my play style and such, I would just stay away from them.

Well all I can say, and this applies to everyone, is don't run in front of a gun barrel. you will get hurt. When I am aiming, espcieally with a scope, I can't see if people are about to run into my line of fire. When this happens don't turn around and shoot me because you ran in front of my gun. I have also noticed that crowding has crept its way back into the game. DO NOT CROWD ME. Or any one for that matter. people are going to need room to back up or straif away from enemy fire. I.e. backally as T in the hall way with the creats that connects the ct area to the t area. If someone is standing at the end of this trying to pick off some cts do not crouch beside him to try and get some shots off as well. Odds are a nade is comeing down his way and he will need to jump right.

Luigi, you're still usually the only one left on the team 'cause your off doing your own thing. Why else do they call you "Luigicampa, progeny of Camoflauge???"

Lol, we still love ya!

LOL! LuigiCampa... didn't think of that one

Actually, what usually happens is that I decide not to rush up front the second we respawn. I always die when I rush, because when I have more than 2 enemies on screen my system chugs down. Thus, it often happens I am only one left, because I don't play the game like UT or Quake. The way I see it, if a round has 4 min or so, why do we all have to rush and get killed the first few seconds? Furthermore, that rush is very often a disorganized stampede rather than teamwork. I feel like sheep following the rest of the crowd to the slaughter. Sure the rush has its own flavour and appeal, and I won't deny that.

I actually like it when me and .. say... Roofus are the only ones left, and we silently seek'n'destroy.

That's exactly what I do with one of my best friends when we go Pubbing. We just say to hell with the other dudes and team up on our own. Works extremely well too

Going along with what Haywood said about running in front of a gun barrel, the same holds true if there is ALREADY someone in front of you.

Take this scenario, for example:

Let's say you are a terrorist on aztec and you decide to rush the bridge as a team. The first couple of guys in the front of the pack are carrying MP5's. Half-way across the bridge, a counter-terrorist appears in the doorway.

This is what usually happens: EVERYONE shoots at the ONE CT, hitting the terrorist in the front (who is carrying an MP5). This guy is obviously going to probably strafe considering the gun he/she has. It is inevitable that they are going to get hit by friendly-fire. If you don't have a CLEAR shot, don't take it. Either wait for them to die and/or place your attention elsewhere (like making sure no one is flanking the team).

Wait for them to die?!! That's not Team like, is it? Well, personnaly I would rather die from the enemy than one of my own.

PS. I know I am guilty of this also.

said by Surge:

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Wait for them to die?!! That's not Team like, is it? Well, personnaly I would rather die from the enemy than one of my own.

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This is mostly right, but you're forgetting one important point:

Bullets go through people.

Sometimes the people behind HAVE to shoot through the few in front to avoid that lonsome T with an AK from taking out a conga line of CTs. Just because we're behind you dosen't mean we're out of the line of fire.

said by btroke:

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Bullets go through people.

Sometimes the people behind HAVE to shoot through the few in front to avoid that lonsome T with an AK from taking out a conga line of CTs. Just because we're behind you dosen't mean we're out of the line of fire.

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I understand that bullets go through people. And if you read my post, you would see that it says that "if you don't have a CLEAR shot, then don't take it". You should move out of the line of fire, don't just starting shooting and "if I hit my own team, well, oh well...I was getting shot at...". That is ridiculous.

Dont listen to Surge. He does it all the time and he knows it. Hell, he shoots through his partners even if there is no ennemie in front of them.

I did say that I do it all the time. It is just a suggestion for when playing on pubs with ff. There are just too many people on one team in a pub game. There is no way you can know what each and every one of them is going to do. In a 5v5, you know where everyone is and you are more likely to know what they are going to do.

Simple...stay at the back of the pack Actually, the trick I learned is when your in teams, be predictable. If you crouch to go around corners or through a hallway ALWAYS crouch. That way people get to know your moves and work in concert with them. Other than that the only thing you can hope for is that the person you are teaming up with knows tactics. I notice that when I back-up the DSLR, IP, or SMD guys they know how to cover and so move accordingly. Backing up a newb is next to impossible

That's excellent advice, Lancelot. Being predictable in a team is indeed essential. As I tend to play a lot of solo, I've had to adapt my style and try to be as unpredictable as possible (sure, it doesn't happen all the time), but I realize that such a playing style is unsuitable for team play. I mean, it's really common sense, but until someone comes to say outright, it's not that obvious. Thanks'!