Topic 'Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?' in forum 'VOIP Tech Chat' - dslreports.com

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:24:26 EDT

dev_null posted :

said by Trev:

I recall a significant influx of spam calls being confirmed on this very forum a few years ago after signing up with these guys.

I may have been one of those. I did this for a couple of GV numbers, and left them alone for a few months until the unwanted activity died down. But yeah there was a time about 3 weeks after doing this that the call volume was huge - from insurance to newspapers to credit cards. And I used the street address of the local post office with our PO Box as a "suite" in it.

For one of these numbers, the CNAM was populated fairly broadly: Verizon still shows the name I put in, as does Callcentric. AT&T (POTS) did for a while, but then it reverted to City, State. VOIP.MS never picked up either of the listings, nor did VOIPO. Of the online services, CallerIDtest and Twilo both have the name still populated.

So it does work to a degree, but not 100%. I personally would not do it now because of the already overwhelming number of unsolicited calls but if you needed to have a listing and understood the limitations...

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:53:18 EDT

carlm posted :

said by digimon900:

It still adds your name correctly to the CNAM data bases, I use them. But I never get spam phone calls because the auto attendant screens them out.

Which CNAM databases specifically are you talking about?

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:44:41 EDT

digimon900 posted : It still adds your name correctly to the CNAM data bases, I use them. But I never get spam phone calls because the auto attendant screens them out.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:12:54 EDT

carlm posted :

said by taoman:

said by carlm:

This is directory assistance, not CNAM. While using this might be a good idea for a business, I would never, ever use this for a residential phone # -- I'd probably start getting all sorts of telemarketing calls.

Exactly. It's stated on their web site. I'd sooner eat glass than sign up for this.

Unfortunately, using the ListYourself.net service puts your name and number in the telephone directory. The directory is one of the sources that telemarketers use to get a list of people to call.

»www.listyourself.net/Lis ··· alls.jsp

I have to give ListYourself.net credit for being up front about that on their website.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:03:22 EDT

taoman posted :

said by carlm:

Exactly. It's stated on their web site. I'd sooner eat glass than sign up for this.

Unfortunately, using the ListYourself.net service puts your name and number in the telephone directory. The directory is one of the sources that telemarketers use to get a list of people to call.

»www.listyourself.net/Lis ··· alls.jsp

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 16:02:46 EDT

Trev posted :

said by carlm:

I recall a significant influx of spam calls being confirmed on this very forum a few years ago after signing up with these guys.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:56:47 EDT

carlm posted :

said by digimon900:

said by taoman:

VoIP.ms charges $10 for outbound CNAM.

Don't pay them, go to listyourself.net and the CNAM will automatically be shared with the major CNAM data providers.

PS my main number comes up as being Verizon for Business, when I use the online carrier checker.

From the ListYourself.net home page:

"ListYourself.net is designed to help you, or your business, get your phone number listed in 411 phone directory assistance."

This is directory assistance, not CNAM. While using this might be a good idea for a business, I would never, ever use this for a residential phone # -- I'd probably start getting all sorts of telemarketing calls.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:28:30 EDT

digimon900 posted :

said by taoman:

VoIP.ms charges $10 for outbound CNAM.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:04:35 EDT

PX Eliezer0 posted :

said by taoman:

said by PX Eliezer0:

then go to PREFERENCES, then to CNAM to specify your options.

Right. Been there and both first and last name are blank. I guess I just find it surprising that a CNAM entry would be assigned to a free DID. It's a moot point since I don't make outbound calls with that number. VoIP.ms charges $10 for outbound CNAM.

If those fields are blank, I believe they will then use the name you specified when you opened your account.

That's a default.

I believe that going to PREFERENCES---> CONTACT INFO can change that name if you wish.

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Also you [could] make outbound PSTN calls with that number:

1) To 911, unless you stated that you were not in the US or Canada.

2) If there is any funding in the account, you can activate an outbound calling plan (even if just the PAYG) in a split second. And CC is thus just being prepared for that possibility if you ever decide to do it.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:44:58 EDT

taoman posted :

said by PX Eliezer0:

then go to PREFERENCES, then to CNAM to specify your options.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:40:41 EDT

carlm posted :

said by taoman:

Interestingly, twilio, calleridtest, voip.ms, and whocalld show my real name for CNAM for my free Callcentric DID. I wonder where that is getting pulled from? I specifically opted out of being listed in the Callcentric directory.

CallWithUs lists it as "Manhattan, NY" which is what I would expect.

Is Callcentric known for assigning CNAM entries for their FREE DIDs? I don't make outgoing calls from Callcentric.

CNAM databases are populated from line information databases (LIDB) maintained by ILECs and CLECs. It's up to the ITSP to ask the LEC to enter CNAM into his LIDB. This is called CNAM storage (at least that's what Flowroute calls it). Some ITSPs charge a fee for this. Callcentric doesn't, and yes, they do it for their free DIDs as well.

CNAM lookup on inbound calls doesn't apply to Canada: CNAM is transmitted with the call.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:36:57 EDT

PX Eliezer0 posted :

said by taoman:

As josephf said:

CallCentric has a separate setting for CNAM than the CC directory. This is true whether it is a free DID or a paid DID. You can select what the CNAM is.

The Callcentric directory is only for customer-to-customer use.

By contrast, regarding outbound CNAM (as josephf said), log into the CallCentric dashboard, then go to PREFERENCES, then to CNAM to specify your options.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:32:40 EDT

josephf posted : CallCentric has a separate setting for CNAM than the CC directory. This is true whether it is a free DID or a paid DID. You can select what the CNAM is.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 14:23:05 EDT

taoman posted : Interestingly, twilio, calleridtest, voip.ms, and whocalld show my real name for CNAM for my free Callcentric DID. I wonder where that is getting pulled from? I specifically opted out of being listed in the Callcentric directory.

CallWithUs lists it as "Manhattan, NY" which is what I would expect.

Is Callcentric known for assigning CNAM entries for their FREE DIDs? I don't make outgoing calls from Callcentric.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:31:05 EDT

wmcbrine posted :

said by josephf:

VoIP is considered a landline for this purposes, as it is a binary choice between wireline and wireless.

Nope. Like I say, GV shows as "voip". At least on Twilio (carrierlookup.com won't let me search again today). And Twilio shows CC as "landline".

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:19:58 EDT

josephf posted : VoIP is considered a landline for this purposes, as it is a binary choice between wireline and wireless.

CLECs generally service both physical landline service and nomadic VoIP service.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:04:50 EDT

PX Eliezer0 posted :

said by wmcbrine:

They all report Telengy LLC as the carrier.

That is a CLEC owned by CallCentric.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 13:03:11 EDT

wmcbrine posted :

said by josephf:

Which lookup service is reporting that?

All of the ones that have that as an item.

They all report Telengy LLC as the carrier.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:49:06 EDT

josephf posted :

said by wmcbrine:

my Callcentric number is said to be a landline.

Which lookup service is reporting that? What carrier is it showing you have? What do the other lookup websites say your CC number uses for its carrier?

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:43:04 EDT

wmcbrine posted :

said by Anon3482c :

Check out following sites should answer all your questions:
»freecarrierlookup.com/
»www.twilio.com/lookup
»www.carrierlookup.com/
»calleridtest.com/

Heh... my GV number shows as VoIP, but my Callcentric number is said to be a landline.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 12:10:59 EDT

cybersaga posted :

said by nomen:

I punched in one of my voip.ms DID's and got:

Carrier: ISP Telecom (SVR)
Is Wireless: n

I guess I was expecting the Carrier to be Voip.ms (?)

That means that ISP Telecom is the CLEC that Voip.ms uses for the rate center that your phone number is in.

When someone calls your number, it goes to ISP Telecom first, and they send the call to Voip.ms.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:31:13 EDT

josephf posted : Whichever Canadian CLEC voip.ms chose to service your number.

(It is possible that if a ported number is cancelled it reverts back to the original carrier. I'm not sure how this works in Canada.)

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:00:52 EDT

nomen posted : > VoIP.ms isn't a carrier. They lease DIDs from CLECs.

So when I port my Bell TN to voip.ms, who is ultimately in control of the TN? Who retains control of the TN if I cancel or otherwise abandon my voip.ms account?

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:55:47 EDT

anon posted : Check out following sites should answer all your questions:
»freecarrierlookup.com/
»www.twilio.com/lookup
»www.carrierlookup.com/
»calleridtest.com/

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:58:30 EDT

Trev posted : My number says

Phone Number: 12503917822
Carrier: AcroVoice/Iristel (SVR)
Is Wireless: n

;)

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:55:44 EDT

josephf posted : VoIP.ms isn't a carrier. They lease DIDs from CLECs. You will see the CLEC that VoIP.ms uses.

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:50:02 EDT

nomen posted : I punched in one of my voip.ms DID's and got:

Carrier: ISP Telecom (SVR)
Is Wireless: n

I guess I was expecting the Carrier to be Voip.ms (?)

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:46:14 EDT

OzarkEdge posted : My VoIP.ms numbers report:

Proximiti Mobility (Sybase), wireless yes (one was Verizon POTS)
Level3, wireless no (was AT&T/SWBell POTS)
ONVOY, wireless no

OE

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:37:27 EDT

josephf posted : Anyone can easily check who the *current* carrier is for any individual number, even if it was previously ported out from the original carrier that issued the number from its NPA-NXX block.

See »freecarrierlookup.com

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:30:21 EDT

nomen posted : But would they just assume that a given area-code/prefix is monolithic (assigned as a block) to a PSTN telco or a VSP? Do the web-accessible TN information portals know that a given, formerly PSTN TN has been ported to a VSP? Are there TN databases that contain this info that are not publically accessible (but are accessible to telemarketers or other players in this ecosystem)?

Re: [General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:21:40 EDT

josephf posted : Anyone can easily check who the current carrier of any number is. That'll tell them if it is a wireless carrier, a PSTN carrier or a CLEC that provides VoIP services.

[General] Do (or can) callers know that your TN is a voip DID?

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 21:57:09 EDT

nomen posted : Do callers in general (and thinking specifically of industrial-scale telemarketers and also hackers or spammers trying to commit fraud) know that when they punch in your TN, that it terminates at either (a) a PSTN / pots line or (b) a voip DID? Is there a (c)? I suppose they have easy or simple means to know if it's a (d) cell-phone TN.

Or is this more of a question of do they care (if it's a vs b) - or are they beginning to care (is it affecting them, what-ever their business model is)?