dm145
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Re: Starz and Optimum Dispute |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 7:33 pm · (locked) |
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At least in the NY/NJ market it might have been better to NOT include the Cowboy Channel as part of the consolation prize.
It's like thinking that Tom Hanks will come to your college graduation, but Adam Sandler comes instead.
Although I did talk to someone today who really likes rodeos. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 7:40 pm · (locked) |
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Anon87317
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2018-Jan-2 7:54 pm
Obviously the decision was made by Europeans who know nothing about the NY Metropolitan market. More people here consider a rodeo as an example of animal cruelty than entertainment. They should have known better and adding a Cowboy Channel only rubs salt in the wounds of angry subscribers. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 7:54 pm · (locked) |
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said by Anon87317 :More people here consider a rodeo as an example of animal cruelty than entertainment. They should have known better and adding a Cowboy Channel only rubs salt in the wounds of angry subscribers. That is an interesting point. Cowboy Channel also has an unusual background originally dating back to Jerry Falwell. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th ··· _ChannelOf course, falling well is an advantage at a rodeo. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 8:09 pm · (locked) |
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Anon96e34
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2018-Jan-2 8:43 pm
Can you people please stop quoting the TOS? There are NO ALTERNATIVES in a lot of cases. It's a take it or leave it contract. So it's pretty unfair to place the blame on us. |
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Anon695f2
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2018-Jan-2 8:48 pm
It is a take or leave it contract, and you chose to take it. End of story. They have a right to pull channels out and you consent via signing. You could have chosen streaming apps. You could have declined. But you didn't. The fault isn't us, but anyone who actually read the TOS would know this was told to us beforehand, whether we like the outcome or not. We can complain but pretending that somehow they committed a crime against us or were dishonest is simply uncalled for. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 8:48 pm · (locked) |
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said by Anon96e34 :Can you people please stop quoting the TOS? There are NO ALTERNATIVES in a lot of cases. It's a take it or leave it contract. So it's pretty unfair to place the blame on us. I haven't quoted TOS. Don't confuse TOS with state utility regulations---I have mentioned those. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 8:48 pm · (locked) |
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said by Anon695f2 :It is a take or leave it contract, and you chose to take it. End of story. They have a right to pull channels out and you consent via signing. You could have chosen streaming apps. You could have declined. But you didn't. OTOH streaming apps did not exist that long ago. And while I would agree that TV access is not quite a necessity, internet access is. There is a legal point called a contract of adhesion---a contract which is very uneven---and sometimes those end up unenforcable. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 8:51 pm · (locked) |
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tito79
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2018-Jan-2 9:14 pm
get over it guys streaming is taking over |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:14 pm · (locked) |
TheWiseGuyDog And Butterfly
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said by Anon695f2 :It is a take or leave it contract, and you chose to take it. End of story. They have a right to pull channels out and you consent via signing. You could have chosen streaming apps. You could have declined. But you didn't. The fault isn't us, but anyone who actually read the TOS would know this was told to us beforehand, whether we like the outcome or not. We can complain but pretending that somehow they committed a crime against us or were dishonest is simply uncalled for. I am not a lawyer and I do not intend to get into whether a class action lawsuit can be won but simply dismissing the concept out of hand saying Altice can do anything they want is probably incorrect. It ignores the fact that a class action lawsuit was brought for overcharging consumers for Cable boxes and settled. Now the settlement was not all that large but if it was so cut and dry that the court would have simply thrown out the suit, I doubt it would have been settled. » Cable Box Class Action Suit |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:17 pm · (locked) |
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Anon695f2
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2018-Jan-2 9:27 pm
No one said they could do whatever they want; they could do what is legal and within their TOS. Overcharging boxes and added hidden charges are not part of the TOS, and I would recon any lawsuit against them in those regards would win. We are talking about Altice not renewing their contract with a channel provider, pulling them off, and informing customers of it. That is well within their right, and not sure what illegal activity they have committed here. If you believe otherwise, tell us the law they broke or what part of the TOS they broke to their customers. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:27 pm · (locked) |
TheWiseGuyDog And Butterfly
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Simply because something is in the TOS does not mean the court will uphold it as as a valid part of a contract. CV set a price for people to rent boxes. By your logic people could have refused service if they thought the charge was too high. Yet there was a class action that was settled by CV paying subscribers or giving them extras. Again your logic is way too simplistic. But you are welcome to continue saying it. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:33 pm · (locked) |
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Anon695f2
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2018-Jan-2 9:47 pm
The court didn't ruled that they violated their TOS or contract with subscribers. The lawsuit was due to state and federal violations that cablevison claimed renting boxes were needed for their service and overcharging customers in the process; this is line with what I said in my first sentence. Check for yourself. There is no state or federal law mandating cable companies renew their contract with channel providers, which is what we are talking about here, not illegal practices of the company. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:47 pm · (locked) |
TheWiseGuyDog And Butterfly
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That was the poster's opinion on what the lawsuit was about. It was an antitrust lawsuit. » www.pacermonitor.com/pub ··· ON_et_al |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:50 pm · (locked) |
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Anon695f2
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2018-Jan-2 9:56 pm
And cablevison settle it without admitting quilt. You are comparing apples and oranges and strawmanning in the process. Altice didn't commit any antitrust "violation", or any state or federal law in this instance; not renewing their contract agreement with the channel provider, pulling their channels off their packages and informing customers. Now unless you have a law in the books that Altice violated or have an insight scoop about Altice's businnes dealing with Starz that broke laws or Altice lied to customers about the contract cancellation, feel free to inform us all |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 9:56 pm · (locked) |
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You can the Judge's opinons on the lawsuit. You are comparing apples and oranges. » law.justia.com/cases/fed ··· 1059/57/ |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 10:54 pm · (locked) |
TheWiseGuyDog And Butterfly
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Are you an anti-trust lawyer? If so could another anti-trust lawyer have a different opinion? You seem to be sure there is no case. That’s fine. I will not waste my time arguing. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-2 10:14 pm · (locked) |
 mbernste
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Interesting. I never got that. Kind of a moot point since between DSLR and the "STARZ is gone!" ads from STARZ on Facebook I already knew. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 4:52 am · (locked) |
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As a born, raised and lifelong resident of New Jersey I too couldn't care less about the Cowboy channel (moo!). I will say that getting The Movie Channel as a trade-off for losing STARZ/Encore seems like a pretty good deal to me. I checked last night and I'm getting them on my TiVo. The hardest part for me was to remember where in the new interface to add channels to my lineup vs showing only favorite channels in the guide. |
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I rarely watch STARZ, yeah it does show up on Tivo - Just TMC, none of the other channels like MGM or the Cowboy network. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 8:43 am · (locked) |
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said by mbernste: I will say that getting The Movie Channel as a trade-off for losing STARZ/Encore seems like a pretty good deal to me. I checked last night and I'm getting them on my TiVo. Are you saying those who lost Starz now get TMC? |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 9:15 am · (locked) |
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2018-Jan-3 9:24 am
said by tired_runner:Are you saying those who lost Starz now get TMC? If you had Silver or higher you do.. I'm not sure if Premier had it before or not - but that has it now as well. TMC was already part of Gold. I also agree that the 4 new channels were nowhere near a comparable replacement, and they conveniently made it seem like they were. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 9:24 am · (locked) |
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Back when I paid for Gold, I always thought at least the "big five" belonged in that pricey circle; Cinemax, Showtime, HBO, TMC, and EPIX.
Of course over time all of them put "value-add" spawns of themselves to justify the cost, but generally it was those five.
I suppose people voting with their wallets has put downward pressure into these channels negotiating their continued existence. And people paying for that "value" need to recognize that in reassessing their cost. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 9:45 am · (locked) |
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Anonf93f2
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2018-Jan-3 10:12 am
The people who are trying to defend Altice are in the minority. Just look at the hold times. I had a random friend bring it up yesterday. Out of the blue... Nobody is happy.
Altice really screwed this up. In the end nothing will happen but just saying... |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 10:12 am · (locked) |
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Altice is like any other business striving for their own bottom line. Customers should do the same instead of expecting a business to do that for them.
I personally can care less who provides my entertainment. When this promo is up, so is my business with them. |
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2018-Jan-3 2:38 pm
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Except those angry here seem to think this is all Altice's fault. Why not blame Starz? Have you guys even considered Altice may doing what is best and Starz is playing hard ball and trying to screw Altice's customers? I don't think demanding Altice pay whatever Starz is asking and passing those charges unto us is a smart move. It seems people are getting emotional rather looking at this with logic and facts. |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 2:38 pm · (locked) |
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said by Anon695f2 :Except those angry here seem to think this is all Altice's fault. Why not blame Starz? Have you guys even considered Altice may doing what is best and Starz is playing hard ball and trying to screw Altice's customers? I don't think demanding Altice pay whatever Starz is asking and passing those charges unto us is a smart move. It seems people are getting emotional rather looking at this with logic and facts. Altice could have agreed to Starz new contract terms and passed the increased costs to those who subscribe to Starz on cable TV and those who dont care about the increased cost could have kept it. those who realized the cost was greater than the Starz OTT service could choose to remove Starz from their cable TV subscription, pay less and subscribe to the Starz OTT service instead. why not let the consumer decide instead of Altice making the decisions for everyone ? blatantly removing 15 premium movie channels is a bit rough in my opinion. just because OTT is the "thing" today doesnt mean that every single cable TV subscriber wants it and needs it. |
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said by tired_runner:Altice is like any other business striving for their own bottom line. Customers should do the same instead of expecting a business to do that for them.
I personally can care less who provides my entertainment. When this promo is up, so is my business with them. Bingo. I got me a Chromecast, Roku, Samsung Smart TV and lets just say I get access to Premium channels on my own accord. If I wanted I could even drop my TV to Basic cable and still get most of the channels I receive now with Altice, but I haven't gone that far yet, they keep giving me yearly promos on my service, so I haven't pulled the plug.  |
· actions · 2018-Jan-3 4:02 pm · (locked) |
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said by Anon695f2 :Except those angry here seem to think this is all Altice's fault. Why not blame Starz? Have you guys even considered Altice may doing what is best and Starz is playing hard ball and trying to screw Altice's customers? I don't think demanding Altice pay whatever Starz is asking and passing those charges unto us is a smart move. It seems people are getting emotional rather looking at this with logic and facts. I think its probably the number of channels, 16, that went out at once. If it was 1 or 2 okay, but 16, yikes. I only got the Starz Encore HD and the other SD channels in the package and I have alternative means of accessing those channels, so its no big deal to me. However I can see why Gold customers would be livid given what they pay vs what they have lost and gotten back in return. Even Silver customers made out alright with TMC added instead. Gold got shafted. The only thing Gold has now that sets it apart is Cinemax as far as premium. |
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2018-Jan-3 4:13 pm
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Altice doent need to cater to minority subscribers. And if Starz won't give in, Altice is under no obligation to sign to just make you happy, or the minority of subscribers under their platform who have no way of streaming apps.The vast majority of US homes have either a streaming box or smart tv. Given this and their own business model, it make sense what they did. I don't think the average consumer knows what is best for Altice company or contract dealing. They gave options to stream; get the service elsewhere. Customers need to stop thinking cable tv is a right and let the free market handle it. |
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