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Re: Turn router off at night.

Sun, 22 Dec 2019 00:08:12 EDT

mikiee posted :

said by Anon7ec19 :

cable modem, satellite modem

Why both?

Redundancy. I am the entire IT department where I work, and I need to have internet access at all times incase of problems or system maintenance after hours or on the weekends. Or in the event I get stuck at home due to snow storms and driving bans in the winter. I need to be able to access email and have phone service to provide end user support and I need VPN access to be able to RDP into servers and other critical machines and devices.

I am more likely to lose power than cable, but cable nodes aren’t on battery back up here, so if the power goes out so does my cable TV, internet and phone. I have a natural gas generator but it does me no good with no internet. So I have HughesNet satellite internet and their VOIP service. I have a dual WAN router configured for failover. If I lose utility power and the generator kicks in, or if cable goes out it’s a seamless transition from cable to satellite.

Verizon does not offer DSL in my area, I have no cell phone reception period from AT&T and T-Mobile, Verizon Wireless and Sprint are poor at best. Viasat/Excede hasn’t been accepting new customers in my area for years because the beam is at max capacity, so HughesNet is my only other option for internet. My employer pays $70 of the internet portion of my cable internet (the cost of Standard service), and pays the entire internet portion of my HughesNet bill. I am on the hook for the remaining $50 for Spectrum Internet since I have Gig, as well as my HughesNet Voice service. In lieu of allowing me to expense out my VOIP, they gave me a long range, long lasting, rugged cordless phone system that retails for over $700 to use at home.

said by MetroMan:

dowop
I counted once, and there are upwards of 100 either blinking or solid LEDs on in my bedroom. 40 of them alone between my router, main smart switch, WAP, cable modem, satellite modem and NAS. None of that bothers me.

Well good for you. Bet if you cut all the LED lights you may notice a difference and an improvement in your sleep quality.

I don’t have any sleeping problems or need an improvement in my sleep quality. Before I got the whole house generator, I was without power for 5 days due to wind storms. My bedroom and the entire house were pretty much pitch black, no LEDs at all for the better part of a week. No difference in sleeping, except for not being able to listen to Octane or Bone Yard on Sirius XM while I head off to dreamland. Don’t even need an alarm clock. I wake up naturally at around 6AM on weekdays and 7:30 on the weekends or on my days off. A lot of times I don't even turn my computers off, so I can have up to 3 laptop screens and another 3 27" monitors all with the Mystify screen savor bouncing away. Also typically have a lava lamp on all night long as well as a color changing oil diffuser going until it runs out of water and auto shuts off. My computers, networking gear and other devices are all plugged into four APC UPS units, before getting the generator, when power outages occurred in the middle of the night, the constant beeping very rarely ever woke me up.

I'd probably be more concerned about the oil diffuser than anything else.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Sat, 21 Dec 2019 22:18:55 EDT

mc5w posted : Would keep people from mooching off your WiFi when your back is turned.

I one time did this with a business DSL because the password kept expiring and we had to call Ohio Bell to reset the password. We put in a 24-hr timer that cuts the power the router/NAT so that when it reenergized 1/2 an hour later the router would do automatic logon. Had no trouble at all until they switched to cable TV Internet.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Sat, 21 Dec 2019 22:17:26 EDT

anon posted :

said by AppFarmer:

said by Anon7ec19 :

cable modem, satellite modem

Why both?

said by MetroMan:

Re: Turn router off at night.

Sat, 21 Dec 2019 17:57:24 EDT

MetroMan posted : dowop
I counted once, and there are upwards of 100 either blinking or solid LEDs on in my bedroom. 40 of them alone between my router, main smart switch, WAP, cable modem, satellite modem and NAS. None of that bothers me.

Well good for you. Bet if you cut all the LED lights you may notice a difference and an improvement in your sleep quality.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Sat, 21 Dec 2019 17:56:39 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by Anon7ec19 :

cable modem, satellite modem

Why both?

Re: Turn router off at night.

Sat, 21 Dec 2019 08:43:11 EDT

anon posted : I counted once, and there are upwards of 100 either blinking or solid LEDs on in my bedroom. 40 of them alone between my router, main smart switch, WAP, cable modem, satellite modem and NAS. None of that bothers me.

For the topic of EMF, look up the town of Green Bank, WV. People who claim to have a sensitivity to EMF have been flocking there since it’s a radio quiet zone.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Fri, 20 Dec 2019 09:00:42 EDT

onebadmofo posted : I won't chime in about wifi and such since others have already done that. But the site that you posted on where you got that info from is like others mention, not a legitimate source of tech news. I would just like to add the tip of not getting your news from Social Media as well. I believe NOTHING I see on social media to be true unless I personally experienced it.
Heck even big name news sources (CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc etc) need to be watched and read with caution.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:56:50 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by TWC_User:

Wifi does not disturb sleep, there's no real scientific proof that proves it otherwise. Wifi radiates at non-ionizing radiation, similarly to microwaves, cell towers, and bunch of other things that you use on a daily basis. Just leave it on 24/7 and call it a day.

Yesterday's news feed on DSLR:
»blogs.scientificamerican ··· is-safe/

While it is an opinion article, I generally regard Scientific American to be a reliable science news source.

The point I'm bringing is not to be contrarian but to remind that as science improves we regularly discover that some of the very things we learned because of science are later discredited because of science.

Case in point: In previous decades leeches were considered to be quackery because they were associated with superstition. They are now considered to be an excellent natural treatment for hematoma.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:41:50 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by dowop8:

To turn off wifi if there is no external switch. The router is in my bedroom & I have read that the wifi disturbs sleep. Do not know if that is true.

My router (running an OpenWRT derivative) has a script to cycle the wifi off at night and on in the morning. It even reboots once per week.

It actually helps my sleep by reminding me when it's time to go to bed. (aka "hey - what happened to my cat vid- ... oh, yeah!")

Re: Turn router off at night.

Thu, 19 Dec 2019 10:53:35 EDT

ptrowski posted :

said by dowop8:

Not Really. Did not even know anything about it still I started looking.

There is your answer, wifi does not affect your sleep. :)

Re: Turn router off at night.

Thu, 19 Dec 2019 07:38:49 EDT

ds5v50 posted : No it won't hurt your modem, Put a timer from lowes or home depot on it and set it for your sleep time and sleep well.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Thu, 19 Dec 2019 05:55:13 EDT

dowop8 posted : Anonb5b84 If you read you can see that I was not concerned about about what you are ranting about.
Thanks to the people who actually understood the question & were helpful with there replies.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 20:49:23 EDT

Eagles1221 posted : The d3.1 boxes are modem only not all in ones

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:24:42 EDT

anon posted : Your router is doing you no harm. Your router is putting out a quarter watt, maybe half a watt, 1 whole watt if you're a techie and have adjusted things to the legal max. If you live in a city there are radio and tv stations putting out 50,000-100,000 watts from their radio towers. even living 25-50 miles from those towers you probably have more RF energy from those tv/radio stations passing though your body than from your router. Plus there's that thing called the SUN that emits an ungodly amount of extremely wideband RF, "radio", ir, visible, and and all the other nasty frequencies at and above UV.

If anything is causing you to loose sleep it is worrying about silly stuff like this that you've read on some conspiracy site.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:49:11 EDT

whoaru99 posted : What I love even more is when "experts" suggest there is absolutely nothing to some thing, yet that's not what real experts are saying about that thing.

Real experts usually realize they don't know everything so they are not so quick to think they have it all figured out.

What I am alluding to is the Dunning-Kruger effect. Google the term. Experts can explain it better than I can.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:14:18 EDT

sestrada posted :

said by dowop8:

Have a separate router from my modem. If I turn off the router does it in any way hurt the modem?

I cant speak from personal experience, but my cousin turns his off every night along with the modem and has no problems.

If your concern is the wifi signal - you may want to to shut the modem off too:

Spectrum is considering converting over 10 million deployed cable modems and routers into shared hotspots

»stopthecap.com/2019/11/2 ··· otspots/

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:07:22 EDT

ke4pym posted :

said by dowop8:

I only asked about turning off router at night & if would hurt the modem.

Turning it off at night won't hurt a thing. Go for it and don't worry about it.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:35:57 EDT

dowop8 posted : I never said wifi caused cancer. That was other posters talking about cell phones.I only asked about turning off router at night & if would hurt the modem.I did read about sleep disturbances.I am not saying wifi causes sleep disturbances either.
Really amazing about what people make up or try to read into something.Try to do more serious reading of the thread.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:08:09 EDT

gfunkdave posted : For the people showing the monograph that wifi is a Group 2B carcinogen it's important to remember:

1. Group 2B is things that are "possibly carcinogenic to humans." This doesn't mean it causes cancer. It just means we don't know because there is insufficient data to arrive at a confident answer.
2. Other Group 2B substances include coffee, pickled vegetables, titanium dioxide (used in sunscreen), and aloe vera.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:05:04 EDT

Regal887 posted : Don't you just love the people who claim the WiFi and/or cell towers gives them headaches or interrupts their sleep patterns. You know the ones that makes the big issues out of it ( filing complaints ) then you find they went away on a weeks vacation somewhere.....

And confront them...

With hey how was your weeks vacation? And the response it was great well relaxed slept well etc etc

Then you drop this on them :

Doesn't that hotel resort have free WiFi? In all the rooms? Across the entire property? Pretty powerful stuff. Commercial grade I bet. And watch their face drop. Funny how they slept well with no headaches there......

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:56:09 EDT

Sympathy posted : If anything, the lights on the router might be annoying to some being super bright.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:49:11 EDT

EGeezer posted :

said by vaxvms:

I'll give up my VT100 when you pry it from my cold boney fingers

Traitor! You should have had a 3161 instead of s DEC :)

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:47:15 EDT

Selenia posted : That theory about Wi-Fi disturbing sleep fits right in with the theories of flat earthers. My router is downstairs but I have all kinds of Wi-Fi equipment constantly running in the bedroom along with a repeater that I also use as a ethernet bridge to have everything on the weaker 5 gigahertz channels that nobody likes to use, which is a great thing for me. I sleep just fine other than having to get up too damn early for work.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:44:01 EDT

EGeezer posted : I'd think the blinking lights would be more of a bother.
In our condo down south, the modem, router and telephone adapter is in the bedroom. I taped a piece of black art paper over the front of the devices to block out the lights.

Seeing 'Dowop' reminds me - the Drifters' Jingle Bells with Joshua Held's cartoon- a classic!

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· 5eJc5SHA

And more of Joshua's art;
»www.joshuaheld.com/

Merry Christmas :)

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 04:01:12 EDT

dowop8 posted : Thank you for your very informative post to this thread cool brian

Re: Turn router off at night.

Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:34:09 EDT

brianiscool posted : There are a lot of crazy people out there.
Especially, people that cover their house blue to
stop wireless signals coming into their house.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:28:36 EDT

stxrmfxl posted :

said by ILikeTech:

It'll probably mean that your device won't get updated with the latest firmware, etc.

It'll get updated the second it connects and "talks" to the ACS server.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 15:35:13 EDT

dowop8 posted : Sorry. Did not notice that post.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:19:39 EDT

Eagles1221 posted : Metro man in the post I was replying too.....

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:16:02 EDT

dowop8 posted : Who said anything about heat?

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:11:43 EDT

Eagles1221 posted : Better quality devices let you turn all the lights. Your body is 250BTU, a modem and router dissipate 20BTU. I'm not buying the heat excuse but do as you please. I have my router running all night so my TV and computer can update and not clog the bandwidth when I am awake and doing stuff.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 09:36:34 EDT

whoaru99 posted :

said by Eagles1221:

Do you use a microwave? 30 seconds of standing next to a microwave is around 1 years worth of background wifi

Regularly, but I step away from it when it's in operation.

Likewise, I endeavour to minimize cell phone calls and especially extended ones, etc.

Limiting/minimizing exposure is NEVER the wrong thing to do.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 09:24:35 EDT

Eagles1221 posted : Do you use a microwave? 30 seconds of standing next to a microwave is around 1 years worth of background wifi

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 09:22:35 EDT

Eagles1221 posted : If you have DDWRT you can use wifi scheduler to turn off the radios. I think that would be better than pulling power all the time. Just my 3 cents

Re: Turn router off at night.

Tue, 17 Dec 2019 02:57:36 EDT

dowop8 posted : My cell phone is turned off at night due to what I have read & mostly because of robo calls.
This thread has turned into a joke.
All I wanted to know was about the router being turned off would hurt the modem.
Then I was asked why.Somebody told me it does not use much power then in a later post said a girl he dated broke up with him because his cell phone causes brain cancer.

I want to thank the people who actually did answer the question.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 22:08:03 EDT

vaxvms posted : Did that CRT include computer monitors .AND. TV sets or just computer monitors?
I'll give up my VT100 when you pry it from my cold boney fingers

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:30:36 EDT

n2ubp posted : In the 90's as an IBM Field Tech. (Customer Engineer) I had a client who worked in an office without any windows who claimed his CRT display was causing sunburn. I tried to look it up in the RETAIN knowledge base but could never find a solution to thatone.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:05:45 EDT

bsd1337 posted : mmWave 5G (and 24GHz Wi-Fi) doesn't have EHS issues because it can't go past solid surfaces.

There are some people who think 5G millimeter waves is a "hazard", even when mmWave in fact is safer than low-band spectrum to humans.

I'm more worried about using "5G" as an excuse to avoid FTTH and/or get deregulation.

However, mmWave 5G isn't practical to deploy on a large scale. Nor is 24GHz Wi-Fi feasible in homes.

For cell service, mid-band spectrum wins, except for rural areas (where you then use low-band). For fixed broadband, FTTH wins (remember: power and tower leasing costs make mmWave 5G more expensive than say GPON/EPON).

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:09:36 EDT

MetroMan posted : I disconnect my wifi router in my bedroom every night if nothing more than it creates heat and the lights are annoying as sleeping in complete darkness is best for deeper sleep.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:58:05 EDT

Catch22 posted : Make a Faraday Cage »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa ··· day_cage

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 15:56:45 EDT

maartena posted :

said by dowop8:

To turn off wifi if there is no external switch. The router is in my bedroom & I have read that the wifi disturbs sleep. Do not know if that is true.

While sensitivity to electrical and radio signals IS a thing, it is not wifi you should be concerned about. It is called "electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome" or EHS.

Wifi is of such low power (It reaches MAYBE 150-200ft at most) that it has absolutely no ill health effects of any kind, and no one has been able to prove that it does.

The real problem with radio signal sensitivity is not wifi.... but cell phones. These devices need to communicate to masts up to several MILES away, and therefore have a much stronger signal.

If for whatever reason you cannot shut down your cell phones (need to be able to be reached by work/family 24/7 etc), then you may as well leave your router on, because it is absolutely NOTHING compared to cell phones.

EHS or "electromagnetic hypersensitivity syndrome" IS real, but there is limited evidence to its true affect on the health of humans.... usually people that have it suffer from more migraines, sleeplessness, and sometimes nausea that goes away when they are in a more rural area and without any cell phones turned on. These people usually just end up moving to a more rural location and keep cell phone use to a minimum, only turning them on when needed. I know a person like this, and she has wifi in her home 24/7 without problems, she just turns off her cell phone when she comes home and typically only has it on when she leaves home, and that is enough for her to have no migraines anymore. She just moved to a house a few miles out of town and is happy there. Close enough to still get decent internet. Far enough so there isn't direct neighbors within 100ft that all have their cell phones on 24/7.

Either way, wifi is not going to be the problem. It's just way, WAY too low power to cause any issues.

If you have sleeplessness, try turning off your cell phone at night for a while. Maybe it helps....

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 12:52:47 EDT

Chris123NT posted :

said by waternut1313:

Yea and I also read a couple articles on how the earth is flat, doesnt make it right. You will be completely fine.

LMFAO

This thread reminds me of a girl I dated once. Thought cell phones caused brain cancer. Needless to day that relationship didn't last long 😂

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 11:32:59 EDT

Aggie60 posted :

said by dowop8:

All I was concerned about was sleeping with my head 10 ft from the router.....& if it would hurt the modem with the router off.

Please see that attached info on WiFi radiation levels.

TL;DR -
"Studies have also examined the general
field strengths in environments where Wi-Fi
networks are installed. Foster (2007) measured
RF fields at 55 public and private sites in the USA
and Europe (4 countries), which included private
residences, commercial spaces, and health-care
and educational institutions. In nearly all cases,
the measured Wi-Fi signal levels were far lower
than other RF signals in the same environment.
The maximum time-averaged power density in
the 2.4-GHz band measured at 1 m distance
from a laptop uploading and downloading a file
was 7 mW/m2, which is far less than the ICNIRP
(1998) reference level value of 10 W/m2 for the
general public."

If you look through the entire monograph, you will find the there is much more concern with use of mobile devices held next to the head.

Wireless Rad···Info.pdf
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Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:26:13 EDT

whoaru99 posted :

said by dowop8:

All I was concerned about was sleeping with my head 10 ft from the router.....& if it would hurt the modem with the router off.

That's what it's all about. As mentioned before, no absolute smoking gun but neither can it be completely rejected. About the radio waves stuff, that is.

The modem/router was the easy part, no harm. :)

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:18:49 EDT

dowop8 posted : All I was concerned about was sleeping with my head 10 ft from the router.....& if it would hurt the modem with the router off.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:04:15 EDT

Aggie60 posted : I have attached the monograph so you can decide.

mono102.pdf
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Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:27:57 EDT

dowop8 posted : Not Really. Did not even know anything about it still I started looking.

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:19:31 EDT

whoaru99 posted :

said by arbit3r9:

i guarantee there has been but none them come back with results to say it is even remotely true.

Probably should take that up with IARC because they certainly disagree about the not remotely true part, considering their afore-mentioned classificarion.

But, if you want to put your head in a microwave oven that is your choice. ;)

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:03:30 EDT

vaxvms posted :

said by dowop8:

To turn off wifi if there is no external switch. The router is in my bedroom & I have read that the wifi disturbs sleep. Do not know if that is true.

Were you having problems sleeping before you read the article?

Re: Turn router off at night.

Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:09:56 EDT

dowop8 posted : Thanks Everyone.Points well taken.