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Re: [DOCSIS] DOCSIS 4.0 Status?Link to the NCTA Papers for next week's expo: » www.nctatechnicalpapers. ··· per/2020Comcast paper on transition to DOCSIS 4: » www.nctatechnicalpapers. ··· csis-4-0 |
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That paper reads like it was written a year from now, and acts like most of their network (at least the parts they've done Node+0) is already mid-split, but that is not the case I also am getting the distinct suspicion that they are trying to jump directly from what we have now to gigabit upstream, and may be skipping intermediate steps to 50, 100, or other three-digit upstream tiers |
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said by mixdup:I also am getting the distinct suspicion that they are trying to jump directly from what we have now to gigabit upstream, and may be skipping intermediate steps to 50, 100, or other three-digit upstream tiers They are doing different design in different areas. Only a subset of them will support the high-split. All the analog based nodes will only support mid-split. |
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said by mixdup:I also am getting the distinct suspicion that they are trying to jump directly from what we have now to gigabit upstream, and may be skipping intermediate steps to 50, 100, or other three-digit upstream tiers The paper says otherwise. It directly says "This will not be accomplished in one giant leap, but rather a transition from mid-split to high-split networks." It will be mid-split > high-split > 4.0 over many years. |
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said by dcspidey4:said by mixdup:I also am getting the distinct suspicion that they are trying to jump directly from what we have now to gigabit upstream, and may be skipping intermediate steps to 50, 100, or other three-digit upstream tiers The paper says otherwise. It directly says "This will not be accomplished in one giant leap, but rather a transition from mid-split to high-split networks." It will be mid-split > high-split > 4.0 over many years. It also says they're already mid-split when they aren't, unless they plan on flipping a switch before this conference actually happens |
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said by mixdup:It also says they're already mid-split when they aren't They are. |
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2020-Oct-11 7:22 pm
said by dcspidey4:said by mixdup:It also says they're already mid-split when they aren't They are. No they aren't. They've done a lot of the physical work to replace taps, nodes, amps, etc as part of their node+0 rollout but they have not gone mid-split with their actual services yet |
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said by mixdup:but they have not gone mid-split with their actual services yet They never claimed to. Most of the work is done. It's as easy as flipping a switch at this point. I expect we'll hear more details from them at the cable expo. They could certainly enable it by the end of this year if they wanted to. |
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said by dcspidey4:said by mixdup:but they have not gone mid-split with their actual services yet They never claimed to. Most of the work is done. It's as easy as flipping a switch at this point. I expect we'll hear more details from them at the cable expo. They could certainly enable it by the end of this year if they wanted to. Could, should, and probably won't. Theres no reason to because there's no competition |
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said by mixdup:said by dcspidey4:said by mixdup:It also says they're already mid-split when they aren't They are. No they aren't. They've done a lot of the physical work to replace taps, nodes, amps, etc as part of their node+0 rollout but they have not gone mid-split with their actual services yet It is still limited on where they did the node +0 nowhere near a full fledged rollout it isn't a small test area but not widely deployed yet. Areas are being upgraded but it seems to be done in phases and may not even be completed in systems fully yet. |
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said by videomatic3:Could, should, and probably won't. Theres no reason to because there's no competition Using that logic why are they offering Gig? Their top tier should be 25 Mbps then. No competition right? |
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said by Anon2904f :said by videomatic3:Could, should, and probably won't. Theres no reason to because there's no competition Using that logic why are they offering Gig? Their top tier should be 25 Mbps then. No competition right? Lower end is easier for someone to compete with, even for a DSL or wireless provider, and the mere possibility of competition (increased by high prices) is enough to fuel continuing upgrades, not just price adjustments. |
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said by motorola870:It is still limited on where they did the node +0 nowhere near a full fledged rollout it isn't a small test area but not widely deployed yet. Areas are being upgraded but it seems to be done in phases and may not even be completed in systems fully yet. Node+0 is very widespread. Has it replaced every single amp? No, of course not but they still had analog systems with no upstream as of a few months ago |
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said by videomatic3:Theres no reason to because there's no competition Huh? Most of their footprint has competition. Verizon FiOS is probably their biggest, but also AT&T fiber. Believe it or not, every metro area in the US has at least 2 high-speed wired choices for Internet. said by mixdup:Node+0 is very widespread Exactly. That's what they were referring to. Every area that's gone Node+0 is also capable of mid-split. They do both at the same time. |
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said by dcspidey4:Believe it or not, every metro area in the US has at least 2 high-speed wired choices for Internet. Weird, my house in Atlanta has exactly one choice: Comcast Satellite does not count |
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said by mixdup:said by dcspidey4:Believe it or not, every metro area in the US has at least 2 high-speed wired choices for Internet. Weird, my house in Atlanta has exactly one choice: Comcast Satellite does not count I'm hoping starlink will count in the next few years, only reason to go hardline is for latency -- for local servers, starlink in the future should get the lowest latencies going across the globe |
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2020-Oct-12 12:28 pm
starlink will never be a full competitor to wireline broadband, Elon Musk has said as much himself. It's just not possible with the densities that are found in a metro area. it is meant for planes, ships, and areas where there are no other options
for people like my parents and my brother who have literally zero options, I hope that they don't try to cram the service so full of people from suburbs and urban areas that it becomes unusable |
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said by mixdup:Weird, my house in Atlanta has exactly one choice: Comcast Over 99% of addresses in Atlanta and the surrounding area can get both Comcast and AT&T. AT&T has pretty widespread fiber in Atlanta too: » broadbandnow.com/ATT |
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actually starlink itself will have competion with amazon and oneweb launching service with a few years |
· actions · 2020-Oct-12 12:51 pm · (locked) |
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said by dcspidey4:said by mixdup:Weird, my house in Atlanta has exactly one choice: Comcast Over 99% of addresses in Atlanta and the surrounding area can get both Comcast and AT&T. AT&T has pretty widespread fiber in Atlanta too: » broadbandnow.com/ATT 6Mbit DSL doesn't count either, and that map is based on census blocks not actual address availability I actually live here, and just moved, so I know exactly what I'm talking about, whereas you do not |
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said by mixdup:Weird, my house in Atlanta has exactly one choice: Comcast said by mixdup:I actually live here, and just moved, so I know exactly what I'm talking about, whereas you do not if broadband choice is important, you should do research BEFORE moving.... |
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Re: [DOCSIS] DOCSIS 4.0 Status?said by mixdup:6Mbit DSL doesn't count either, and that map is based on census blocks not actual address availability The map is accurate for every area I've looked at. It's down to the street level, and is very detailed. |
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said by dcspidey4:said by mixdup:6Mbit DSL doesn't count either, and that map is based on census blocks not actual address availability The map is accurate for every area I've looked at. It's down to the street level, and is very detailed. It's not for AT&T's availability across both Alabama (where my parents live, and where I used to live) and Georgia (where I, and several friends, live) |
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Weird. For Verizon FiOS, they literally show individual apartment buildings that can get fiber. Maybe the census blocks here are smaller than Atlanta's. 
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said by dcspidey4:Weird. For Verizon FiOS, they literally show individual apartment buildings that can get fiber. Maybe the census blocks here are smaller than Atlanta's. Or maybe Verizon submits more detailed data than AT&T, the latter of which has been sued by states and the FCC over the quality of the broadband mapping data, and has and continues to lobby against more detailed broadband mapping data as chronicled in stories *on this very website* for years, including one just a few weeks ago |
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Yeah, I don't know where they get their data from, but it's very accurate for my area. |
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said by dcspidey4:Yeah, I don't know where they get their data from, but it's very accurate for my area. ISPs are only required to provide data to the census block level. They can provide more detailed maps if they want, but they aren't required to. Thus, you can have two completely different companies like Verizon and AT&T, with differing sets of data accuracy |
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But census blocks can be as small as 30,000 sq feet, which could be what Verizon's map is showing here too. |
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said by dcspidey4:But census blocks can be as small as 30,000 sq feet, which could be what Verizon's map is showing here too. Verizon's FiOS rollout in baltimore was a joke when i was stuck there for work. Most places I checked when looking around could only get DSL from VZ. AT&T, even here in Chicago claims to cover most, if not all of the city in fiber.. but what they do is cherry pick a random street in a census block, install it.. do not advertise it (seriously, I've never seen a more inept running of fiber).. then claim the entire census block has fiber. Or my favorite was my neighborhood further south here in Chicago.. They did a street that overlapped two census blocks (one block of A, one block of B). then claimed both census blocks were done. AT&T is a joke, and has been since SBC took over the reigns (which conveniently.. is who was originally covering ATL - Southwestern Bell so them claiming most of ATL is covered.. I'm not surprised.) |
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