 Gone
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Re: Prep for Coronavirussaid by Hydraglass:No, and I never said it was zero, just that it's a much lower number than is typically being seen for Covid (upwards of 70 percent) -- it's sort of like the 50% effective immunization -- that alone makes a huge dent in how transmittable and what the Rt is. Having only 30% of flu carriers "unaware" greatly reduced that Rt this year for common influenza. That's not what you said. This is what you actually said: said by Hydraglass:
Also flu tends to rarely if ever be asymptomatic
Neither 75% in the one study nor 33% in the other meets the definition of "rarely if ever asymptomatic." Those are significant numbers, and actually a window very similar to what we've learned about COVID and the number of asymptomatic infections. Saying that influenza is "rarely if ever asymptomatic" is a straight up lie. The study that cited 75% of influenza infections were asymptomatic was published in The Lancet and peer-reviewed, so it's not bunk. |
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1 in 3 compared to 6 or 7 out of 10 in comparison is rarely. So far most outbreaks of Covid have been traced back to super-spread asymptomatic individuals - every listed outbreak in Kingston has been. Meanwhile the flu has had a few cases, it's not at zero, but it's Rt is extremely low this year. Lower than Covid. So - it would stand to reason, that lower asymptomatic level can make a large impact on spread when symptomatic individuals are acting differently this year by nature of not being "welcome" as they would have been in past years - school students, college and University students, most employers, sports teams, etc will not have you symptomatic - where in previous years it was sort of ignored. Meanwhile Covid is still spreading - primarily through asymptomatic carriers. |
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said by Gone:The study that cited 75% of influenza infections were asymptomatic was published in The Lancet and peer-reviewed, so it's not bunk. Really? Maybe this explains why I have never had the flu (though I usually get the flu shot...but not always) |
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said by Hydraglass:1 in 3 compared to 6 or 7 out of 10 in comparison is rarely. So far most outbreaks of Covid have been traced back to super-spread asymptomatic individuals - every listed outbreak in Kingston has been. Meanwhile the flu has had a few cases, it's not at zero, but it's Rt is extremely low this year. Lower than Covid. So - it would stand to reason, that lower asymptomatic level can make a large impact on spread when symptomatic individuals are acting differently this year by nature of not being "welcome" as they would have been in past years - school students, college and University students, most employers, sports teams, etc will not have you symptomatic - where in previous years it was sort of ignored. Meanwhile Covid is still spreading - primarily through asymptomatic carriers. Listen dude - you were wrong. Saying that influenza infections are "rarely if ever asymptomatic" (your exact words) is wrong. Period. This is particularly the case when a study in The Lancet had that number as high as 75%. Had you not been called out for your false statement, you wouldn't be trying so hard to qualify your error with your own personal definitions of what words mean. Admit the error and move on. |
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said by AppleGuy:Really? Maybe this explains why I have never had the flu (though I usually get the flu shot...but not always) It's likely we've all had it more than once, it's just a question of how severe our reaction to the infection has been. |
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Some of us can tolerate the symptoms and brushing them of as "common colds", hence never bothered to go to the doctors unless it turns into a long running cough with phlegm of not white in color. By then it could too late to be classified conclusively as influenza.
I get something every winter and sometime in summer despite having flu shots. Many of these something come and go over the time. This year I just have to be a bit more conscious about the symptoms and mistaken identity of covid. |
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2020-Dec-11 10:28 am
said by hlo207:Some of us can tolerate the symptoms and brushing them of as "common colds", hence never bothered to go to the doctors unless it turns into a long running cough with phlegm of not white in color. By then it could too late to be classified conclusively as influenza. ... and this exact same situation is happening with COVID. Most infections are mild that individuals fully recover from. |
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2020-Dec-11 10:37 am
said by Gone:said by hlo207:Some of us can tolerate the symptoms and brushing them of as "common colds", hence never bothered to go to the doctors unless it turns into a long running cough with phlegm of not white in color. By then it could too late to be classified conclusively as influenza. ... and this exact same situation is happening with COVID. With the stigma surrounding covid and all who shows certain symptoms will be assumed positive until test results shown otherwise (process could take days); people with good discomfort tolerance will just soldier on quietly. At least until the real shortness of breath (dyspnea) comes into play, nobody can fight that for too long. Trust me on that. People with stuffy nose may tell you "they cannot breath". But they can breath thru the mouth. If you test their blood oxygen level you will see high 90s nevertheless. In real dyspnea you get tired, fatigue, no apatite on any food, can't sleep, can't walk, rapid heartbeat, lips turning blue, pale face, etc. I have seen dyspnea before in my immediate family. Tough people can brush off the symptoms for a bit but they will give in at some point when the O2 level goes below 80%. |
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2020-Dec-11 10:44 am
said by hlo207:With the stigma surrounding covid and all who shows certain symptoms will be assumed positive until test results shown otherwise (process could take days); people with good discomfort tolerance will just soldier on quietly. At least until the real shortness of breath (dyspnea) comes into play, nobody can fight that for too long. Trust me on that. It's a monumental challenge when the very same demographic who suffers from the greatest levels of income insecurity is also most likely to suffer from COVID symptoms so mild that they don't even know they have it. |
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said by Gone:said by Hydraglass:1 in 3 compared to 6 or 7 out of 10 in comparison is rarely. So far most outbreaks of Covid have been traced back to super-spread asymptomatic individuals - every listed outbreak in Kingston has been. Meanwhile the flu has had a few cases, it's not at zero, but it's Rt is extremely low this year. Lower than Covid. So - it would stand to reason, that lower asymptomatic level can make a large impact on spread when symptomatic individuals are acting differently this year by nature of not being "welcome" as they would have been in past years - school students, college and University students, most employers, sports teams, etc will not have you symptomatic - where in previous years it was sort of ignored. Meanwhile Covid is still spreading - primarily through asymptomatic carriers. Listen dude - you were wrong. Saying that influenza infections are "rarely if ever asymptomatic" (your exact words) is wrong. Period. This is particularly the case when a study in The Lancet had that number as high as 75%. Had you not been called out for your false statement, you wouldn't be trying so hard to qualify your error with your own personal definitions of what words mean. Admit the error and move on. Except the case numbers this year are backing up my claims as well as those of health professionals and researchers who are saying the same thing - and are proving you wrong - so stop spinning your wheels, shut up, and stick to the things you actually know about... which appear fewer and fewer by the week. |
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2020-Dec-11 11:50 am
said by Hydraglass:Except the case numbers this year are backing up my claims as well as those of health professionals and researchers who are saying the same thing - and are proving you wrong - so stop spinning your wheels, shut up, and stick to the things you actually know about... which appear fewer and fewer by the week. You lack the qualifications to make any authoritative "claims" about asymptomatic influenza, and according to the peer-reviewed study in The Lancet and even the other study you cited yourself, any "claims" you make about influenza being "rarely if ever asymptomatic" (again, your exact words) remain 100% false. Further, just because you now throw around weasel words about "health professionals and researchers who are saying the same thing" supposedly proving me wrong without actually citing who they are and what they said doesn't make your earlier statement any less of a lie, either. This isn't the first time you've done this, nor the first time you've reacted this way when being called out for it. Just drop it and move on. |
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