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Anon22931
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2021-Jun-14 8:57 pm
[Telephone] Yet another Annual Increase...This is for anyone really in the "Know". So my Bill shows my Spectrum land Line monthly fee will be increased by $3.00. I always thought providing Phone Service to Customers that have Spectrum Internet....was a very low to zero cost basis for an Internet Provider. It is not the same, but almost like going to an Internet site and getting information back...it travels over the Internet that you pay for. This $3.00 Increase therefore makes me feel that this is not because the Increase is needed to support the phone service, its because "We can".....
Just seems this is becoming an annual routine, lets see what we (Spectrum) can increase fees on not that the Increase is justified and needed, it is because we can.
I have cut the Cord on Cable TV because I was tried of feeling I was being dumped on Annually to keep Cable TV. Now I am beginning to feel that way about Telephone. I know all local Providers except Spectrum offer Cable TV (others offer Cable with another provider); it appears Phone will go this same way. But again, providing Phone service when the customer has your Internet I would think would be an extremely Low Expense on the carrier.
By the way; so much for being in a Promo Bundle for 1 Year; that no longer means anything.
Now I know Spectrum knows this, and maybe they are targeting similar Phone charge.... Frontier and WOW Unlimited Phone Monthly are in excess of $40.00 which is a signal to me neither frontier or WOW is really interested in being a Phone Provider to match their already non-interest in being a cable TV Provider....
Consumers just cannot Catch a Break... |
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said by Anon22931 :This is for anyone really in the "Know". So my Bill shows my Spectrum land Line monthly fee will be increased by $3.00. I always thought providing Phone Service to Customers that have Spectrum Internet....was a very low to zero cost basis for an Internet Provider. It is not the same, but almost like going to an Internet site and getting information back...it travels over the Internet that you pay for. This $3.00 Increase therefore makes me feel that this is not because the Increase is needed to support the phone service, its because "We can".....
Just seems this is becoming an annual routine, lets see what we (Spectrum) can increase fees on not that the Increase is justified and needed, it is because we can.
I have cut the Cord on Cable TV because I was tried of feeling I was being dumped on Annually to keep Cable TV. Now I am beginning to feel that way about Telephone. I know all local Providers except Spectrum offer Cable TV (others offer Cable with another provider); it appears Phone will go this same way. But again, providing Phone service when the customer has your Internet I would think would be an extremely Low Expense on the carrier.
By the way; so much for being in a Promo Bundle for 1 Year; that no longer means anything.
Now I know Spectrum knows this, and maybe they are targeting similar Phone charge.... Frontier and WOW Unlimited Phone Monthly are in excess of $40.00 which is a signal to me neither frontier or WOW is really interested in being a Phone Provider to match their already non-interest in being a cable TV Provider....
Consumers just cannot Catch a Break... I suspect Charter Communication's was losing money at $9.99 a month for their digital phone service. It sucks the prices are going up for their digital phone service but it has not reached the point where I would consider porting over to another VOIP company at this time. |
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I am old enough to remember that cable had no ads. Those Join today advertising campaign in the late 80s. The Disney channel was a premium at the time (around $8.00) for the small cable co. Hack even ESPN had a asking price of around $12 per subscriber. Cable boxes where free then became a NEEDED then they started Charging for this thing due to Encryption all because of copyright laws updates. Noticed a secure fees on your current bill. Thing with phone on cable it’s not about profit gained much presently but it’s offered for triple play bundles. |
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MSO's make a mint on Internet services, phone services as well. The markup's are utterly insane, what they pass onto the subscriber. But if you don't like the service, or company. You'll be told here by 23423 anons and a few posters. "if you don't like the service, you can leave" or "move to an area for which you like the company's offerings".
just the way the Internet world is at the moment. |
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maartenaElmo Premium Member join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA |
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said by Anon22931 :Consumers just cannot Catch a Break... Correction: Consumers refusing to let go of 20th century land lines for voice, and channels with a pre-programmed guide just can't catch a break.  (I know you have cut the cord already, but not everyone catches on....) This is not annual by the way either. You are getting price increases pretty much every 6 months. In December people typically get the TV price increases from all the re-negotiated contracts that year, and because they do not want to shock the consumer too much, they will increase voice and/or internet at other times during the year. I cancelled my landline years ago. The only thing I was still getting on it was spam. I needed 911 last March 2020 because I had a stroke, and they were there in under 2 minutes..... apparently they were already going in my direction before I had a chance to give my full address due to gps. (Those may be California upgrades though, not sure). I have internet only. Any other service falls in to the "BYO" category. |
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its not just spectrum. I had basic talk for years at 9.99 month. started creeping up a dollar here and a dollar there. I finally cancelled service and the offered me a lower rate for a year. I declined. went with spectrum mobile and got the 14 dollar plan just to have a phone in the house. has an old Samsung phone in the draw and used it with there network. its the same price after all the other voip services raising their prices |
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quote: said by toolman1990 I suspect Charter Communication's was losing money at $9.99 a month for their digital phone service. It sucks the prices are going up for their digital phone service but it has not reached the point where I would consider porting over to another VOIP company at this time.
I applied for a Spectrum sales position and the lead sales rep showed me the profit margins on products. The phone service has the highest margin but the internet service has the highest net profit. The phone service average base cost is around $2 per sub/month. The extra fees get passed onto consumers. This recent increase is just to pad margins for the company. |
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So what is the price of Spectrum Voice now? $13/mo? I haven't had it in a while. Sadly most people, those here excluded and this is a small fraction of their subs, have no idea that Spectrum Voice is terrible compared to other services that are half the cost. My Phone Power service has many more useful features and is significantly less. |
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How exactly is it 'terrible'? |
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Magic jack. Was so cool for its days. Pick your area code and other features. Got it for a friend that just came out of jail. I think they too raised the price. |
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said by maartena:said by Anon22931 :Consumers just cannot Catch a Break... Correction: Consumers refusing to let go of 20th century land lines for voice, and channels with a pre-programmed guide just can't catch a break.  (I know you have cut the cord already, but not everyone catches on....) What is with you and your elitist attitude when it comes to this stuff? You parrot the same crap over and over about '90s style grid TV' and landlines. I think cell phones are stupid, I think the quality is poor and I think landlines are superior. It has nothing to refusing to let go of the 20th century, it has everything to do with not thinking the newer way is better. I pay $20 for Spectrum Voice, I did not get the $3 increase, I'm still paying $20. |
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Magic jack. Was so cool for its days. Pick your area code and other features. Got it for a friend that just came out of jail. I think they too raised the price. |
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maartenaElmo Premium Member join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA |
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said by deaddyfreddy:What is with you and your elitist attitude when it comes to this stuff? You parrot the same crap over and over about '90s style grid TV' and landlines. And it is true. They are obsolete technologies. Just like when we moved on from tape reels and cassettes to CD's and DVD's, it was a step in technology that many people feel is the right step to take. You are 100% in your right to keep wanting to wait till a program is on at "8/9c" on a Thursday so you can record it and then skip through the commercials when you do. If that is your preferred method of watching something in TV, by all means..... I won't stop you paying for it. But the world is moving on. There is a reason all major channels have launched streaming services, and some are even being consolidated already. I am paying about $48 a month for Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Peacock, and Discovery Plus. I get HBO Max for free with my AT&T subscription. Then, I have Disney+, CBS All Access (now Paramount) and Starz on rotation, I typically only subscribe to them for 1 month or so when programming I want to watch on it is released, then cancel. All in all, my entertainment bill per month is about $60. Regardless of what you think, the world is moving to on-demand. Already some streaming services are cranking out more programs than any channel group owner ever, and by 2025 they estimate the world will be reversed: New programs will be released on streaming first, as that will be a direct stream of revenue for them, not with a cable tv provider "middle man" that wants a cut. A cut that comes from your higher monthly bill. I think cell phones are stupid, I think the quality is poor and I think landlines are superior. It has nothing to refusing to let go of the 20th century, it has everything to do with not thinking the newer way is better.
I pay $20 for Spectrum Voice, I did not get the $3 increase, I'm still paying $20. Yeah, again.... if you think that it is worth it to pay for that *AND* also a cell phone, by all means..... it is your money. But I would rather just pay or ONE service that takes care of my voice needs, not two or even three. My cell phone carries with me wherever I go, it can do whatsapp, signal and facetime calling as well which I often use to communicate with my family in Europe, and it does not rely on the internet connection at home nor electricity as it has its own internet source and battery. Sure you can get a backup battery for your landline, but if you have a fancy cordless handset set with a base and a few phones spread around the house..... guess what isn't going to work when the base loses power? Most people actually forget about that part, plus they don't really want a big UPS battery just to keep the power going on the base, for a while. In short, if you do not have a phone that is only powered by the 90v that comes through the phone line and nothing else, your phone will be as dead as a doorknob when the power fails. A cell phone lasts at least the full day, probably a day or two or three if you don't use it all the time, and it can be charged in the car if you want. But yeah.... if you want to pay for TWO phone services that essentially do the same thing, by all means. I just do not see the point anymore in these days. There is a reason why cable TV literally loses millions of customers each year, and why people are ditching the landlines. They don't want to pay for a landline AND a cell phone, and they don't want to pay for cable TV AND streaming, so they pick one and save money. But as I said, it is your monthly budget. If all of those services fit into it AND you can also put some extra money to your 401k and your savings account.... that is perfect, and I am pleased for you. But not everyone has that luxury, and I decided to up my 401k contributions instead of paying for cable. It helps. |
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The two services don’t do the same thing, each has their own purpose. Plus, I don’t have cell phone reception at home and I find cell phones uncomfortable to talk on so I generally don’t. Not to mention the quality is can you hear me now poor, compared to a landline/landline call.
Your usage is different than mine. I don’t want to do WhatsApp because it’s Facebook junk and Facebook is evil. I refuse to enslaved in the Apple ecosystem so no Facetime here. If I had a need for international calling, I’d add it for the extra $5. I have all of my hardware plugged into UPS units to sustain uptime before my natural gas standby generator kicks on in the event of a power outage. My cordless phone gets well over a week of standby time on one battery and I have two spares that are fully charged.
It's not about what services one does or doesn't subscribe to, it's about the stuck up, arrogant, elitist attitude you have. Newer isn't always better and newer doesn't always work for everyone. |
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said by maartena:a cell phone, by all means..... it is your money. But I would rather just pay or ONE service that takes care of my voice needs, not two or even three. My cell phone carries with me wherever I go, it can do whatsapp, signal and facetime calling as well which I often use to communicate with my family in Europe, and it does not rely on the internet connection at home nor electricity as it has its own internet source and battery. Sure you can get a backup battery for your landline, but if you have a fancy cordless handset set with a base and a few phones spread around the house..... guess what isn't going to work when the base loses power? Most people actually forget about that part, plus they don't really want a big UPS battery just to keep the power going on the base, for a while.
In short, if you do not have a phone that is only powered by the 90v that comes through the phone line and nothing else, your phone will be as dead as a doorknob when the power fails.
A cell phone lasts at least the full day, probably a day or two or three if you don't use it all the time, and it can be charged in the car if you want.
But yeah.... if you want to pay for TWO phone services that essentially do the same thing, by all means. I just do not see the point anymore in these days.
There is a reason why cable TV literally loses millions of customers each year, and why people are ditching the landlines. They don't want to pay for a landline AND a cell phone, and they don't want to pay for cable TV AND streaming, so they pick one and save money. Bingo ! Everyone has their own likes, dislikes and needs and reasons for having what they have. And it is not up to any of us to be critical of what anyone else does. We can, however, relate to others what WE prefer and for myself and my wife who are now on fixed incomes, we seek out the best value for the buck. Greenlight Fiber 500/500 (at this time) Internet = $50 YouTube TV with unlimited DVR and 99% of what we like or need to watch = $54.99 (with $10 a month T-Mobile discount) T-Mobile Cellphone Service with 2 lines. Excellent service and quality with unlimited everything = $60 a month total for life. We are happy campers here. |
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Buy an Ooma Telo and get their "free" service. You only pay taxes and fees, which is about $6.00 for me. You can port your number and then you'll own it for life. |
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I use OOMA and still have the "original" boxes they issues when the service first started.
I have had them for over 10 years!
You would have to get the Telo USED, as they are not offering it on their website anymore. You might can find it on other websites new! Just checked and Amazon has them, so you can probably get them elsewhere! |
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Another option you have, is to get you a Google voice # and then you can get the Obihai OBi200 1-Port VoIP Adapter with Google Voice and Fax Support for Home and SOHO Phone Service, Black
That device is $49 and a google voice # is free! |
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2021-Jun-15 5:53 pm
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Took a Look at Ooma Telo. You make a One-time Purchase of the Ooma Telo Device...starting at $79.99...and up and connecting that device to your Internet Service you have the same VOIP Phone service that a cable provider provides. The Difference, there are no charges thereafter. So when you are paying $13.00 a month to Spectrum for Home Unlimited Service....and you buy the least expensive Ooma Telo device....in about 6 mos you have recovered the upfront Expense of the Ooma telo device. Here's what concerns me, what stops Ooma telo from deciding to charge a monthly Fee....? I am sure the agreement you most likely sign has a clause that at Ooma telo discretion they can levy a monthly Fee. Or worse yet, you sign nothing and when Ooma telo notifies you they will start charging a Monthly Fee...you have nothing at all in writing to maybe protect you from the Fee..... |
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No white list. Spam blocking was non existent. Could only block 10 numbers. International calling was expensive. |
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There is spam blocking, but it's not perfect, getting better though There are manual white/black lista but it's limited to 30 number International Calling is not expensive, it's a $5 add on |
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This post has morphed a bit, but back on topic... There are many costs involved with providing telephone service (as with any service), so an increase could be triggered from many services. Not only does telco require a connection from a premise to a CO, there is the long-haul to the called party, their CO, and then to the called party themselves. Some COs impose a termination fee to receive a call. I haven't heard anything lately, but there were some podunk COs that charged exorbitant fees, all of which gets paid by someone.
Back in my merchant days I was shocked by all the fees associated with taking credit cards. All those cash-back dollars, program rewards, etc, gets dumped on the merchant and vary greatly. As a merchant, our only choice was to spread those costs out to all of our customers in price increases. Could you imagine our price charts if we chose to call out all the different cards and associated fees?
Moral of the story, there is so much going on behind the scenes it's rarely as simple as you might want to think. |
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2021-Jun-16 11:02 am
said by RogerD:This post has morphed a bit, but back on topic... There are many costs involved with providing telephone service (as with any service), so an increase could be triggered from many services. Not only does telco require a connection from a premise to a CO, there is the long-haul to the called party, their CO, and then to the called party themselves. Some COs impose a termination fee to receive a call. I haven't heard anything lately, but there were some podunk COs that charged exorbitant fees, all of which gets paid by someone.
Back in my merchant days I was shocked by all the fees associated with taking credit cards. All those cash-back dollars, program rewards, etc, gets dumped on the merchant and vary greatly. As a merchant, our only choice was to spread those costs out to all of our customers in price increases. Could you imagine our price charts if we chose to call out all the different cards and associated fees?
Moral of the story, there is so much going on behind the scenes it's rarely as simple as you might want to think. Great comments. I have always said that there is much going on behind the scenes and associated expenses in running a business that many people just plain never take into account or even care about. And I do not know of any service that has lowered prices. And now, many, many businesses across the country are also dealing with the aftermath of the pandemic and inflation and ever increasing costs, such as the fuel for all of their company vehicles, etc. |
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said by Anon22931 :Took a Look at Ooma Telo. You make a One-time Purchase of the Ooma Telo Device...starting at $79.99...and up and connecting that device to your Internet Service you have the same VOIP Phone service that a cable provider provides. The Difference, there are no charges thereafter. So when you are paying $13.00 a month to Spectrum for Home Unlimited Service....and you buy the least expensive Ooma Telo device....in about 6 mos you have recovered the upfront Expense of the Ooma telo device. Here's what concerns me, what stops Ooma telo from deciding to charge a monthly Fee....? I am sure the agreement you most likely sign has a clause that at Ooma telo discretion they can levy a monthly Fee. Or worse yet, you sign nothing and when Ooma telo notifies you they will start charging a Monthly Fee...you have nothing at all in writing to maybe protect you from the Fee..... Problem with the free plan no voicemail, spam blocking, 3 way call, call forwarding etc. I think it's more of a good place to "park" your landline number since it's just $80 for the equipment and a one time $15 fee to port the number in. |
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"By the way; so much for being in a Promo Bundle for 1 Year; that no longer means anything."
Yeah. I called to complain about the price increase, totaling $13. This included the Voice increase, a decrease in "bundle discount", and increases on the STB and CC. (They called the STB increases a "secure connection fee". What the hell is that?)
Anyway, I also talked about how I just started this promotion package in January, and was told it would stay for at least a year. Their repeated answer to that was, "You are still getting the same discount, just the fees were increased." WTF, that is the same as a price increase on a package that I was told would be good for a year.
Of course, they also give me the BS of how they have to increase the prices "to give me the best service possible". Yeah right. Seems to me that service stays the same or is worse, but the price just keeps going up. I get that costs/prices generally increase, but don't try to tell me that it is done to better serve me. |
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said by Zupper:"By the way; so much for being in a Promo Bundle for 1 Year; that no longer means anything."
Yeah. I called to complain about the price increase, totaling $13. This included the Voice increase, a decrease in "bundle discount", and increases on the STB and CC. (They called the STB increases a "secure connection fee". What the hell is that?)
Anyway, I also talked about how I just started this promotion package in January, and was told it would stay for at least a year. Their repeated answer to that was, "You are still getting the same discount, just the fees were increased." WTF, that is the same as a price increase on a package that I was told would be good for a year.
Of course, they also give me the BS of how they have to increase the prices "to give me the best service possible". Yeah right. Seems to me that service stays the same or is worse, but the price just keeps going up. I get that costs/prices generally increase, but don't try to tell me that it is done to better serve me. They do it cause they can and we just shrug our shoulders and pay it or the option to always cancel landline phone like many have for cable TV. |
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Reminds me of a Fry's sales rep response when asked for a price guarantee. His response was "Sure, unless the prices go up!". I guess no commission was better than some. |
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said by maartena:And it is true. They are obsolete technologies. Just like when we moved on from tape reels and cassettes to CD's and DVD's, it was a step in technology that many people feel is the right step to take.
You are 100% in your right to keep wanting to wait till a program is on at "8/9c" on a Thursday so you can record it and then skip through the commercials when you do. If that is your preferred method of watching something in TV, by all means..... I won't stop you paying for it. For me OTT services are super close now but still not quite there yet. When live feeds are available they usually lack the ability to rewind the live buffer. That's a big usability step backward, and ought to be easily solvable as stuff matures. Paramount+ Ad Free is pretty great, but if you do it the "old fashioned way" and record a show live, you will be able to watch a given show earlier than you would be able to, if you wait for CBS to make it available in their app. Again something easily solvable. I cannot tolerate my time being wasted with commercials. A lot of other networks are available but not with an ad free option. To add insult to injury the ad feeding mechanisms are STILL usually shoveling the same 5 commercials to you on repeat every break. Or god forbid you get a spinning circle of doom trying to load the ad. F$#k that, a lot. DirecTV subscription is a small portion of my montly bills. It's something we continue to use and enjoy. When we were between homes and didn't have service, we were constantly needing my DirecTV credentials in order to access content online anyway. There's also something to be said for having semi-uniform, quick access to content. Trying to find shows spread across a bunch of different apps each with its own interface kind of sucks. Apple tried to wrangle this in AppleTV. My LG TV tries to do this, too. But both kind of fall flat and we still end up going into each app to find stuff anyway. I do see Paramount+ and Netflix as a utopian future of how great it can be though, so you're not wrong, but this isn't a case of people clinging onto vinyl records when digital audio is clearly superior in almost every way. There's still a lot of stuff missing for serious TV watchers. |
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