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Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:56:20 EDT

tubbynet posted :

said by cbrigante2:

Oh I won’t debate that, and it’s a bit off topic from the OP needs, but take it from a work truck guy:

funny part of it is -- only one of those vehicles will ever exist...

q.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:01:49 EDT

cbrigante2 posted :

said by F100:

Can you tap a Tesla to run your fridge in a power outage?

Not currently (no pun intended).

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:31:43 EDT

F100 posted : Yeah, I'd bet a large percentage of the savings is for idol times alone to run climate control, lights and be ready for instant pursuit. Definitely an advantage to the electric for anything that idols so much and doesn't use a PTO or other function during idol.

Ford seems to be targeting the Lightening for a similar type of use. Have it be a power source in addition to a hauler and tower. Can you tap a Tesla to run your fridge in a power outage?

And a car doesn't have to be ugly to be efficient. If the every get the Cyber truck out, at least it will be different rather than copying the same design as competitors.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 29 Aug 2021 02:21:06 EDT

sk1939 posted :

said by AR:

»www.bouldercounty.org/ne ··· vehicle/

quote:
Our data shows that over the average life of a patrol vehicle (5yrs/105,000mi), the Ford Police Interceptor’s fuel and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.187 per mile driven, while the Tesla Model Y’s operating and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.029 per mile driven. That equates to roughly $19,635 in fuel and maintenance costs for the Ford Police Interceptor SUV compared to only $3,045 for the Tesla Model Y.

Most departments won’t outsource their fleet management this way. Large departments often have their own garages (as do Taxi fleets), something you can’t do at this time. Electric cars are great for the short distances and long idle times that many departments have, but they would need to be purpose-designed/heavily modified from civilian use.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:14:48 EDT

Gordo74 posted :

said by Bobcat00:

said by AR:

»www.bouldercounty.org/ne ··· vehicle/

quote:
Our data shows that over the average life of a patrol vehicle (5yrs/105,000mi), the Ford Police Interceptor’s fuel and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.187 per mile driven, while the Tesla Model Y’s operating and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.029 per mile driven. That equates to roughly $19,635 in fuel and maintenance costs for the Ford Police Interceptor SUV compared to only $3,045 for the Tesla Model Y.

Put a charging station at every donut shop and range won't be a problem!

Many Dunkins around me have an L2 charging station.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:31:54 EDT

fixrman posted : Ha! I could tell you a story about doughnut shops and cops, but it is OT. I can tell you he was not racing to a charging station.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:55:38 EDT

Bobcat00 posted :

said by AR:

»www.bouldercounty.org/ne ··· vehicle/

quote:
Our data shows that over the average life of a patrol vehicle (5yrs/105,000mi), the Ford Police Interceptor’s fuel and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.187 per mile driven, while the Tesla Model Y’s operating and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.029 per mile driven. That equates to roughly $19,635 in fuel and maintenance costs for the Ford Police Interceptor SUV compared to only $3,045 for the Tesla Model Y.

Put a charging station at every donut shop and range won't be a problem!

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sat, 28 Aug 2021 07:41:36 EDT

AR posted : »www.bouldercounty.org/ne ··· vehicle/

quote:
Our data shows that over the average life of a patrol vehicle (5yrs/105,000mi), the Ford Police Interceptor’s fuel and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.187 per mile driven, while the Tesla Model Y’s operating and maintenance costs equate to roughly $0.029 per mile driven. That equates to roughly $19,635 in fuel and maintenance costs for the Ford Police Interceptor SUV compared to only $3,045 for the Tesla Model Y.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 27 Aug 2021 20:27:32 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Oh I won’t debate that, and it’s a bit off topic from the OP needs, but take it from a work truck guy:

»youtu.be/0i3PzN-vLBg

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:44:13 EDT

sk1939 posted :

said by cbrigante2:

Bumpers falling off was pretty isolated and not an issue anymore. How the Lightning looks is going to work directly against its efficiency when the actual numbers come out. If I’m buying an EV truck, I’d be buying the one with the best features and efficiency. That’s just me though

Your probably not the average truck buyer, who’s looking for something that’s large and mean looking. Storage and towing capacity are the priority, efficiency is really an afterthought.

»jalopnik.com/we-need-to- ··· 30860270

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 27 Aug 2021 15:03:08 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Bumpers falling off was pretty isolated and not an issue anymore. How the Lightning looks is going to work directly against its efficiency when the actual numbers come out. If I’m buying an EV truck, I’d be buying the one with the best features and efficiency. That’s just me though

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:33:27 EDT

F100 posted : The Lightning is still better looking than all the Teslas and the Mach E. To me, they aren't built to be lookers. With the way bumper covers were falling off, they aren't made much better than any of the cars today with the same bland bodywork.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 24 Aug 2021 00:10:07 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Only problem with the Lightning is how compliance limited they plan to produce it. 15k total next year. 80k/year by 2024. Not sure you’ve been to a Ford dealer lately but they love to mark those models up in price for no other reason than being in high demand.

Stick with the Y. It’s a better buy.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 23 Aug 2021 15:39:42 EDT

F100 posted : Just get a Ford Lightning Truck when they come out. Then you have an electric vehicle that can make you money hauling, towing, or using it as a generator.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 23 Aug 2021 13:58:02 EDT

AR posted : More range increase rumors for the Model Y - »carbuzz.com/news/tesla-m ··· -upgrade

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:33:35 EDT

CableGuy posted :

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· nel=CNBC

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:29:15 EDT

CableGuy posted :

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· Engadget

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sat, 21 Aug 2021 20:40:49 EDT

AR posted : Apparently, the Boulder PD folks got a Tesla and it's saved them a lot of money....multiple times over compared to their regular cruisers, for gas and maintenance.

»youtu.be/nglpurz7QZE

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:12:04 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Was at my service center (actuator in my ac system went bad). Sat in a new Y. It is very nice. Salesperson said they would deliver by November, but I’m not sure they can promise that. Also saw a Plaid rolling in.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 20 Aug 2021 07:10:07 EDT

AR posted : Nice! I should tell the wife to put in the order when she's back.....delivery time up here states January 2022.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 20 Aug 2021 07:00:07 EDT

Gordo74 posted : Happy to report that my pickup was uneventful, the build quality is amazing compared to my 3 (2019), and it was just over 2 months from order (6/10) to delivery.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:27:27 EDT

dennismurphy posted :

said by fixrman:

said by dennismurphy:

Just like in a plane - the automation keeps the speed constant and the wings level. Not flying into a mountain is the pilot’s job. Same for the car … keeps my speed up and keeps you in the lane. Not smashing into something is still the driver’s job.

Somes are better than others. In certain (GA) situations, letting "George" fly will get you killed.

Absolutely! … putting the responsibility in the pilot’s hands to decide when it can be used safely.

Analogy to the car holds.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:06:00 EDT

fixrman posted :

said by dennismurphy:

Somes are better than others. In certain (GA) situations, letting "George" fly will get you killed.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 19:18:45 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Don’t trust that Honda sense with your life. Supervise it: »www.motorbiscuit.com/hon ··· -issues/

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 19:16:47 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Yup and you can defeat the other systems as well. If you’re determined to drive unsupervised, nothing can really stop you.
»www.teslarati.com/tesla- ··· t-video/

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:38:02 EDT

dennismurphy posted :

said by Bobcat00:

Regarding cruise control, my Honda will automatically stop if the car in front slams on the brakes. My car also nags me if I haven't moved the steering wheel in ~30 seconds, so I don't know why Teslas can't nag the driver to pay attention. (My car has a basic lane following system, plus it tracks so straight, I don't have to turn the wheel.)

Except that it does. If the steering wheel doesn’t sense any torque, it sets off alerts. If you ignore it, you get locked out of the system for the rest of your drive.

The thing is, people do silliness like hang weights off the steering wheel to defeat the torque check. I don’t see why/how the mfr should be held responsible for it.

If you were interested, I’d be happy to do an in-person demo for you. The system is fairly robust - if people do things that are stupid to get around it, that should be on them.

(And yes, Musk is a loudmouth who should keep his trap shut …. But I don’t hold that against the product.)

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:20:36 EDT

Bobcat00 posted : When the CEO says things, it's important. "Elon Musk Says Self-Driving Tesla Cars Will Be in the U.S. by Summer" - March 19, 2015 - »www.nytimes.com/2015/03/ ··· mer.html

"I’m extremely confident that level 5 [self-driving cars] or essentially complete autonomy will happen, and I think it will happen very quickly... I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level 5 autonomy complete this year... I think there are no fundamental challenges remaining for level 5 autonomy." - July, 2020 - »bdtechtalks.com/2020/07/ ··· earning/ (This is a very interesting article.)

Eventually they'll discover that they can't put all liability on the user, just like the drug companies have discovered. How many lawsuits have been filed against Tesla?

Regarding cruise control, my Honda will automatically stop if the car in front slams on the brakes. My car also nags me if I haven't moved the steering wheel in ~30 seconds, so I don't know why Teslas can't nag the driver to pay attention. (My car has a basic lane following system, plus it tracks so straight, I don't have to turn the wheel.)

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· AG4dk-rU

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:25:33 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Basically all Autopilot accidents are driver error. No different than enabling cruise control and not monitoring it and rear ending the car in front of you. From what I've heard, most of the accidents in the NHTSA investigation are in the same vein. DUIs. Driving way beyond speeds AP can even be enabled at. I suspect most of these will be thrown out with that. Any that aren't or are given some "better driver monitoring" type request...well Tesla already updated that with driver facing camera eye monitoring.

As far as FSD Beta (very limited use at the moment by maybe 2000 cars), I'm not sure I've heard of any accidents with it yet. If anything...it's too cautious. That is the march of the 9s they are working on. It's easy to pick on the delays but it's pretty ambitious what they are attempting. Time will tell if they can pull it off with vision, but I wouldn't bet against them. If you don't believe them, that's a $10k option you leave off the purchase or monthly rental. I don't see where it's a problem if you don't buy it.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:43:29 EDT

danf posted :

said by Bobcat00:

said by danf:

AI as us humans think

A more realistic goal would be making the car as smart as a horse.

Right now they are. Well a horse with blinders on and tunnel vision. :D

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:39:49 EDT

dennismurphy posted :

said by Bobcat00:

A new NY Times article: "Inside a Fatal Tesla Autopilot Accident," where a Tesla ran a stop sign with a flashing red light and crashed into a parked Tahoe, killing one person and injuring the second.

Autopilot is designed for use on divided highways only. You have to agree to that to enable the feature in the car.

Point blank: unless they’re doing the beta test …. Nobody should be driving on Autopilot anywhere there’s a stop sign. Point blank. Just because you CAN doesn’t mean you SHOULD. The responsibility to use the feature appropriately lies with the driver and the driver alone. Agreeing to opt into the beta puts the onus completely on the driver IMO.

It’s like cruise control - you could enable it at 70mph in your residential neighborhood. Nobody blames Ford if you do that — it’s the driver.

Why would AP be any different?

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:03:46 EDT

Bobcat00 posted :

said by danf:

AI as us humans think

A more realistic goal would be making the car as smart as a horse.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:00:11 EDT

danf posted : I've been saying this since Tesla announced it, AI as us humans think they are simply does not exist, there's no way currently except for programming the vehicle to behave in a certain manner.

They've been talking about AI since the early 90s and it's nowhere ready to be used on the roads. Heck, probably not even in the next 10 years. The amount of CPU processing required right now is several orders of magnitude of what would be needed, then it's just the buggy AI software that needs to be sorted out.

I'm not at all hopeful I'll see it by the time I retire. (Hint: over two decades.)

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:34:10 EDT

Bobcat00 posted : A new NY Times article: "Inside a Fatal Tesla Autopilot Accident," where a Tesla ran a stop sign with a flashing red light and crashed into a parked Tahoe, killing one person and injuring the second.

The article also states that, "Tesla’s critics contend that Autopilot has several weaknesses, including the ability for drivers like Mr. McGee to use it on local roads. With the help of GPS and software, G.M., Ford Motor and other automakers restrict their systems to divided highways where there are no stop signs, traffic lights or pedestrians."*

- »www.nytimes.com/2021/08/ ··· ent.html Probably behind the paywall, but $fontbg just disable cookies to nytimes.com and you're in! $Fontbg

This appears to be the location of the accident - »goo.gl/maps/QUQhJQQwFGmnKcwK8

* Regarding the use of Autopilot on local roads, there's a location in Yosemite where at least 5 Teslas have crashed at the same spot.
- »insideevs.com/news/52544 ··· t-crash/

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:08:29 EDT

dennismurphy posted : Still improving. What’s good enough for a release? With idiots like »www.google.com/amp/s/www ··· backseat

running around, it better be damn near perfect. The minute you make something idiot proof, they build a bigger idiot …

I mean, there are companies out there selling Autopilot safety defeat devices! Why aren’t they being sued into oblivion?

But that’s the thing … even if the FSD software is perfect 99%, or even 99.9% of the time … that’s still not good enough to release.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:58:44 EDT

Bobcat00 posted : Any day now...
»twitter.com/elonmusk/sta ··· 26864641

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:42:19 EDT

dennismurphy posted : Curious to see what comes from the investigation but I suspect it boils down to “people not paying attention …”

Even when driving with Autopilot, my hands are on the wheel, my feet are over the pedals and I’m ready to take over at any time. Anything else is flat out negligent.

Just like in a plane - the automation keeps the speed constant and the wings level. Not flying into a mountain is the pilot’s job. Same for the car … keeps my speed up and keeps you in the lane. Not smashing into something is still the driver’s job.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:36:31 EDT

Bobcat00 posted :

quote:
Tesla is under investigation because its cars keep hitting emergency vehicles

Federal safety regulators are investigating at least 11 accidents involving Tesla cars using Autopilot or other self-driving features that crashed into emergency vehicles when coming upon the scene of an earlier crash.

The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration said seven of these accidents resulted 17 injuries and one death.
All of the Teslas in question had the self-driving Autopilot feature or the traffic-aware cruise control engaged as they approached the crashes, the NHTSA said.

»www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/b ··· dex.html

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:48:59 EDT

AR posted : The Mach-E would be a real option if they had a heat pump in there. But that and other design issues put Ford out of the reckoning:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· QtlrI7uU

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· V52lPyIs

This is the same guy who told Musk his build quality sucked and got Musk to publicly acknowledge it.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:31:50 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : I have and agree. I just didn't want to fanboy too hard about Tesla. :) There are other options. Just that each of them come with caveats.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 15 Aug 2021 19:40:18 EDT

AR posted : Have you checked the price on the Taycan? It's NOT an option! :)

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 15 Aug 2021 17:51:58 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : And of course a Taycan could be an option I suppose. It just costs a lot more and has less charge options

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 15 Aug 2021 17:16:11 EDT

AR posted : I don't think Edmunds has tested in winter conditions.....

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 15 Aug 2021 17:15:29 EDT

cbrigante2 posted : Pay attention to the conditions tested with as well. The EPA test keeps things even where the Edmonds test you can see just from temp tests is all over the place.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 15 Aug 2021 16:54:00 EDT

AR posted :
EV Range Leaderboard

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html

Edmunds did their real world test too....the big surprise was that the Taycan did better than published EPA range. That's all I remember of that. The Y LR was slightly lower.

Ultimately, one needs to get the maximal amount of range -300-350 miles of published EPA range is the minimum. If they could do 500-600 miles for EPA range and also have a very prevalent supercharger network across the Continent, EV range anxiety would be over.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:53:50 EDT

Bobcat00 posted : Testing The Real-World Range Of Electric Cars

»jalopnik.com/testing-the ··· 47488396

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 13 Aug 2021 11:00:55 EDT

AR posted : So having a Lexus is no benefit - I thought having a Lexus over the cousin Toyota at a higher price point gets you unique privileges and comfort and amenities that are baked into the cost of the premium segment vs their mass market offering ?

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 13 Aug 2021 10:50:54 EDT

Bobcat00 posted :

said by AR:

Really? I think I'm her philosophy too but I'm surprised the Lexus wouldn't be better than even fully loaded Accord?

Not the cheap models. You probably have to get in the $45k+ range. And the Lexus service departments charge you more money and Lexus nickel and dimes you to death. If you want remote start on the Lexus, even just using the key fob, you have to pay $8 per month!

Another example: I wanted a coupe. Hardly anyone makes them anymore. Honda stopped making Accord coupes because only 2% of the buyers wanted them. The only thing I could find that was equivalent to the Accord Sedan (without the two back doors ;) ) was the Infinity Q60. And you're talking $50k for a decent Q60.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 13 Aug 2021 09:00:46 EDT

dennismurphy posted :

said by AR:

Really? I think I'm her philosophy too but I'm surprised the Lexus wouldn't be better than even fully loaded Accord?

I’d take that Accord 20 out of 10 times in that case.

Bobcat00 is really on to something. The higher trims of regular products usually has more features and functions than even mid trims of the higher order. Same parts as the higher end stuff, too.

For example, a Chevy Traverse fully loaded has a LOT more going for it than a base Enclave.

That high end Accord he’s driving? That’s basically a mid level Acura.

The product overlap is huge.

It’s going away because nobody understands it, but drive an Avalon some day. It’s a Lexus++ in all ways but the badge.

I have a buddy with a 4Runner. It’s basically a Lexus GX in sheep’s clothing (right down to the KDSS suspension system….)

I tend to buy the midrange version of vehicles personally. Both Teslas are non-performance. Before that, our GMs were mid-tier as well.

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 13 Aug 2021 08:39:00 EDT

AR posted : Really? I think I'm her philosophy too but I'm surprised the Lexus wouldn't be better than even fully loaded Accord?

Re: Purchasing Model Y Long Range

Fri, 13 Aug 2021 08:37:20 EDT

Bobcat00 posted : My wife's philosophy is to buy a low-end model of a luxury car. For example, the cheapest Lexus.
My philosophy is to buy a high-end model of a regular car. For example, a fully equipped Honda.

I think my philosophy results in a better experience. My Accord sedan has more room and rides better than her NX300 SUV.

Under my philosophy, I don't think I'd buy a Telsa.