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<description><![CDATA[HeadSpinning posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>I'm also still bitter over TELUS being fined over the GTE/Verizon ownership percentage; then the government actively trying to convince Verizon to come to Canada and compete.<br></p></div>It seems they do whatever they feel like at the time - consistency doesn't seem to be a priority...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1210963" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1210963');">HeadSpinning</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>Talk about sucking and blowing at the same time.<br></p></div>Ha!  I used that exact phrase last night to describe to friends the exact same situation - government collecting huge fees for spectrum then talking about taking the big bad cell companies to task over their rates.  Were you eavesdropping on our Thanksgiving dinner?<br><br></p></div>I must have missed the invite... Haven't checked my email in a couple days.  lolol<br><br>You know me, and where I worked for nearly 20 years.    <br><br>How the Government has their hand out, while simultaneously claiming Cellco's are pillaging customers, was, and continues to be, a common thread in my life... :D<br><br>And it's more than just spectrum; mandated coverage, controlled ownership and structure, uneven playing fields between new-entrants and existing companies?   There's way more going on then the average civilian knows...    <br><br>I'm also still bitter over TELUS being fined over the GTE/Verizon ownership percentage; then the government actively trying to convince Verizon to come to Canada and compete.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[HeadSpinning posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>Talk about sucking and blowing at the same time.<br></p></div>Ha!  I used that exact phrase last night to describe to friends the exact same situation - government collecting huge fees for spectrum then talking about taking the big bad cell companies to task over their rates.  Were you eavesdropping on our Thanksgiving dinner?<br><br>Ted Rogers himself used that phrase in 2005 when talking about Bell Canada.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>Once you get past 50 Meg or so, the user experience doesn't change - but there's a explosion of connected devices, so managing that demand is huge.<br><br></p></div>Tell me about it, just 7 years ago the only wi-fi connected to my modem was my son's iPod (not iPad, I said iPod).  Now there's over 12 wi-fi devices connected.<br><br>1. My tablet.<br>2. My #1 son's tablet, <br>3. Smartphone and <br>4. Bedroom TV.<br>5. My daughter's iPhone<br>6. My #2 son's tablet<br>7. and desktop PC<br>8. Our Bedroom smart TV<br>9. Livingroom smart TV<br>10. Wife's smartphone<br>11. My printer<br>12. My IP camera #1<br>13. IP camera #2<br>14. IP camera #3<br></p></div>M'eh, that's nothing:<br><br>About 22 smart lights. <br>5 Alexa's<br>4 Google Home Hubs<br>About 5 smart plugs<br>5 smart phones<br>5 computers (laptops)<br>3 Firesticks<br>3 smart tv's<br>1 printer<br>2 camera's <br>2 smart switches<br>1 smart thermostat <br>2 iPad Pro's<br>1 iPod<br>4 smart watches<br>1 smartlamp/sonos speaker<br>1 smart garage door hub<br><br>Not to mention some hardwired items:<br><br>1 smartbulb hub<br>1 security hub<br>1 computer<br>2 ATA's<br>1 network switch<br>2 additional wireless routers <br><br>I'm probably missing a few -- but we probably have close to 100 devices, though mind you, most use very little data. <br><br>Mind you, they're not affected by 5G implementations...so we has that. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Xstar_Lumini posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>Once you get past 50 Meg or so, the user experience doesn't change - but there's a explosion of connected devices, so managing that demand is huge.<br><br></p></div>Tell me about it, just 7 years ago the only wi-fi connected to my modem was my son's iPod (not iPad, I said iPod).  Now there's over 12 wi-fi devices connected.<br><br>1. My tablet.<br>2. My #1 son's tablet, <br>3. Smartphone and <br>4. Bedroom TV.<br>5. My daughter's iPhone<br>6. My #2 son's tablet<br>7. and desktop PC<br>8. Our Bedroom smart TV<br>9. Livingroom smart TV<br>10. Wife's smartphone<br>11. My printer<br>12. My IP camera #1<br>13. IP camera #2<br>14. IP camera #3]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/431519" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=431519');">Anav</a>:</said><p>Is it the price or the lack of real competition and more like a frown on collusion?<br></p></div>What I do know is that Freedom Mobile didn't bother with bidding. I am not sure if they would have afforded a discount at the '4th' competitor, but it clearly shows that they're looking for an escape (which was apparent with the Rogers desire to acquire Shaw). <br><br>Either way, consumers pay for it, one way or the other. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>So in under 10 years, the government has collected just over 22B from the Cell companies, while at the same time publicly berating them for the amounts they charge.<br><br>Talk about sucking and blowing at the same time.<br></p></div>The situation (with usurious Canadian Telecom prices) wouldn't improve with cheaper spectrum. What would improve prices would be things like MVNOs, regulated pricing, or even a ban on Telecom subsidized hardware.<br><br>Until then, everyone is laughing all the way to the bank, except for consumers. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>On one side, it's great for taxpayers because it helps funds the government -- but it also sucks for taxpayers because this is why we'll always have high cellphone bills, as someone has to pay that $9B price tag, and for each auction afterwards. I had no idea it was this expensive. <br></p></div>Every time a new block of spectrum is opened up; the .gov collects this kind of revenue; from the CellCo's; who then in turn pass it on to the consumer.<br><br>600Mhz auction was around 4.5B, 3500Mhz was about 9B, AWS/BRS went cheap; about 3B...   700MHz was 5.3B.<br><br>So in under 10 years, the government has collected just over 22B from the Cell companies, while at the same time publicly berating them for the amounts they charge.<br><br>Talk about sucking and blowing at the same time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NCRGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1599325" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1599325');">zacron</a>:</said><p>Actually:<br>Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada.<br></p></div>So do they overseer Industry Canada? It's a little confusing because both seem involved with the auction process, and both are involved in licensing. <br><br>Either way, from you information, you can find out how much the government made from the last auction for the 3500Mhz spectrum:<br><br>$8,911,563,543.00 -- that's a lot of money. <br><br>On one side, it's great for taxpayers because it helps funds the government -- but it also sucks for taxpayers because this is why we'll always have high cellphone bills, as someone has to pay that $9B price tag, and for each auction afterwards. I had no idea it was this expensive. <br></p></div>Industry Canada and ISED are the same thing. Legally speaking, the name of the department is the Department of Industry, but it’s applied name under the Federal Identity Program was changed to Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada a few years ago. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : What should be noted was that this question regarding possible interference was raised before the auction:<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf11657.html#s9" >www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/sm &middot;&middot;&middot; .html#s9</A><br><br>It was answered here:<BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>SAB-001-21 — Radio Altimeters and Technical Rules in the 3450-3650 MHz Band (3500 MHz Band)<br>March 2021<br><br>Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) is monitoring international developments regarding the use of radio altimeters in the 4200-4400 MHz band and their potential to receive interference from future flexible use operations in the 3450-3650 MHz band (hereinafter referred to as the 3500 MHz band).<br><br>Radio altimeters<br>Radio altimeters are sensors installed on most civil and military aircraft and operate in the 4200‑4400 MHz band. They continuously measure an aircraft’s altitude above ground level in flight and provide direct measurement of its clearance over terrain and obstacles. They also feed information to other systems on board the aircraft, including the automated landing and collision avoidance systems.<br><br>International spectrum regulators, including ISED, have recently become aware of studies that have shown a possibility of interference to radio altimeters from signals outside their band of operation, which could include signals from future flexible use deployment of 5G systems in 3500 MHz spectrum around airports and heliports.<br><br>New standards for radio altimeters are expected to be available in 2022 to address these interference concerns. However, it could take several years to implement, certify and deploy new equipment on existing aircraft.<br><br>International developments<br>Regulators around the world are currently examining the need for measures to protect radio altimeters on aircraft when considering flexible use in bands below 4200 MHz. Some regulators (e.g. France, Japan) have decided to implement measures, such as operational restrictions on flexible use systems near airport runways and around heliports.<br><br>Conversely, other regulators (e.g. the United Kingdom, United States, and Australia) have not, to date, imposed any specific requirements for protection of radio altimeters with respect to use of the 3500 MHz band.<br><br>Additional international studies are underway to assess the potential interference to radio altimeters from flexible use below 4200 MHz.<br><br>Future measures<br>ISED is committed to keeping Canadians safe. As such, ISED will continue to monitor and study this issue as it develops and, if necessary, may update technical rules in the 3500 MHz band to mitigate potential interference to radio altimeters.<br><br>For questions, please email ic.spectrumengineering-genieduspectre.ic@canada.ca.<br><br>March 26, 2021<br>Martin Proulx<br>Director General<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf11692.html" >www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/sm &middot;&middot;&middot; 692.html</A><br><br>Seems to me that the auction should not have occurred until they could have answered the question properly, not two weeks after the conclusion of the auction. Really dirty on the part of the federal government. And as mentioned above, it does impact taxpayers as we are the ones who eventually pay, though our cell phone bills, the cost of these auctions -- and in this case, we may have paid for an auction that might turn out useless to many potential users. <!-- 33230398  HASH(0xa786a50)   --><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=96% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=MIDDLE COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/33230398?c=2479084&ret=64urlL2ZvcnVtL3IzMzIzMDM2MS54bWw"><IMG class="apic" id="p15963" BORDER=0 TITLE="744773 bytes" SRC="/r0/download/2479084.thumb600~dd9273dfc7635cbd0574ef95287200a2/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-11%20at%2011.51.55%20AM.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1599325" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1599325');">zacron</a>:</said><p>Actually:<br>Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada.<br></p></div>So do they overseer Industry Canada? It's a little confusing because both seem involved with the auction process, and both are involved in licensing. <br><br>Either way, from you information, you can find out how much the government made from the last auction for the 3500Mhz spectrum:<br><br>$8,911,563,543.00 -- that's a lot of money. <br><br>On one side, it's great for taxpayers because it helps funds the government -- but it also sucks for taxpayers because this is why we'll always have high cellphone bills, as someone has to pay that $9B price tag, and for each auction afterwards. I had no idea it was this expensive. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/273051" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=273051');">HiVolt</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The current 5G deployment is at the most basic of levels; the full roll-out will include a lot more bells and whistles - like QoS/traffic prioritization, band splitting, and greater speed/bandwidth.<br></p></div>I agree, and calling it 5G was more marketing wank than anything, that it wasn't all that much faster than LTE with aggregation of multiple frequencies.<br></p></div>5G is fool's gold.  Even if it was 10x times faster than LTE you wouldn't tell the difference because the LTE speed is already fast.   My desktop computer is as fast with 150 mb/down as it was with 65 mb/down 10 years ago.  A webpage used to load in 1/3th of a second with 65 mbd/down, not it loads in 1/8th of a second.... big deal.<br></p></div>You can tell the difference if you're downloading a large file, or a number of files. Is it needed for everyone? Not likely. But what 5G can do in the future is to allow for more users using same towers without service going to crap. It then allows for more data for customers per month. <br><br>Cell prices in Canada still suck compared to the rest of the world, and this won't change that. But having more data for the same price will be helpful. 10 years ago it was 1GB, unlimited calling and texting for $40. Now you get 5 or 6GB for that (or more if you shop around). The hope being that our current 'unlimited' plans don't slow you to 512Kbps after you reach your data allotment, but perhaps slow you to no less than 3Mbps, so while not incredibly useful, but you can still watch Netflix if you wanted to. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1946728" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1946728');">dks01</a>:</said><p>No, the purpose of a headline is to have you read the post. You read it. Mission accomplished. <br></p></div>That's true -- it's usually referred to as baiting or clickbait. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1603760" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1603760');">Xstar_Lumini</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/273051" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=273051');">HiVolt</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The current 5G deployment is at the most basic of levels; the full roll-out will include a lot more bells and whistles - like QoS/traffic prioritization, band splitting, and greater speed/bandwidth.<br></p></div>I agree, and calling it 5G was more marketing wank than anything, that it wasn't all that much faster than LTE with aggregation of multiple frequencies.<br></p></div>5G is fool's gold.  Even if it was 10x times faster than LTE you wouldn't tell the difference because the LTE speed is already fast.   My desktop computer is as fast with 150 mb/down as it was with 65 mb/down 10 years ago.  A webpage used to load in 1/3th of a second with 65 mbd/down, not it loads in 1/8th of a second.... big deal.<br></p></div>There's a lot more to 5g.<br><br>Biggest benefit is QoS...   small, high priority traffic (think IoT, self-driving car to car comms), go to the head of the line; low priority, high bandwidth (streaming) gets managed down...<br><br>Once you get past 50 Meg or so, the user experience doesn't change - but there's a explosion of connected devices, so managing that demand is huge.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Xstar_Lumini posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/273051" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=273051');">HiVolt</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The current 5G deployment is at the most basic of levels; the full roll-out will include a lot more bells and whistles - like QoS/traffic prioritization, band splitting, and greater speed/bandwidth.<br></p></div>I agree, and calling it 5G was more marketing wank than anything, that it wasn't all that much faster than LTE with aggregation of multiple frequencies.<br></p></div>5G is fool's gold.  Even if it was 10x times faster than LTE you wouldn't tell the difference because the LTE speed is already fast.   My desktop computer is as fast with 150 mb/down as it was with 65 mb/down 10 years ago.  A webpage used to load in 1/3th of a second with 65 mbd/down, now it loads in 1/8th of a second.... big deal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1975361" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1975361');">paolo</a>:</said><p>even the title of this post is misleading, dks01, should change it to Live near an airport? No 5G on 3500 for you, but it will still work on other licensed frequencies.<br></p></div>OP likely didn't read posted article, otherwise they would have known you can still get 5G near airports - just not the recently purchased 5G spectrum. <br><br>More reading here:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://mobilesyrup.com/2021/09/15/apples-iphone-13-series-doesnt-support-mmwave-5g-in-canada/" >mobilesyrup.com/2021/09/ &middot;&middot;&middot; -canada/</A><br><br>Article ends with talking about the 3800 Mhz spectrum that will be auctioned off in the near future. My money that this spectrum won't have much value if government continues with their larger buffer. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[paolo posted : Remember, 5G can be deployed at any frequency.  They are banning a specific frequency range that interferes with aircraft.  What the person who wrote the article does not understand is that 5G is modular and can still be deployed at a different licensed frequency at Pearson.<br><br>Here are my 2 cents:  Number 1, don't always believe everything you read at face value, number 2,  the people who write such stories are often uneducated in how cellular networks work and think oh banning 3500 will mean banning 5g, but they should have reached out to a cellular expert before they published their article, but actually never mind, its the Toronto Star, thats expected.<br><br>So everyone is getting worked up for absolutely nothing.  Relax everyone 5G will still work, but on a different frequency.  And even if that does not happen right away, you still got 4G at Pearson and its still pretty flipping fast. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[HeadSpinning posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/431519" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=431519');">Anav</a>:</said><p>If they can prove it, perhaps then they can write off legitimate losses on taxes.  As noted previously, depends on the conditions of the purchase and what they knew ahead of time as well.<br></p></div>Remember, a company has to have profits against which to apply these losses, and those profits come from you, the consumer.  Yes, those losses can be carried for other years, but you have to at some point make the profit to be able to apply the write off.<br><br>Those losses would just mean they pay less corporate tax.  Everyone thinks write offs are some magic fairy dust that companies get to sprinkle on their books to make them sparkle, and that's just not the case.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dks01 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/2009071" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=2009071');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>My God, that seems strange.<br><br>It's actually a divided authority, which is not a good way to do business.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://hillnotes.ca/2021/05/10/understanding-spectrum-management-in-canada/" >hillnotes.ca/2021/05/10/ &middot;&middot;&middot; -canada/</A><br><br></p></div>Originally radio services were authorized by the Department of Marine and Fisheries due to their origin in the maritime environment. After WW1 they were moved under the Department of Transport, as the first radio networks were built by the railways (CNR) and traders (Hudson Bay Company) and used after WW2 by the aviation industry. <br>Early radio history. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2018/mstc-cstm/NM97-2-1-1-eng.pdf" >publications.gc.ca/colle &middot;&middot;&middot; -eng.pdf</A><br><br>The original governing body for radio in Canada was the CBC.<br><br>Another study of the early history of Canadian broadcasting. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.cogitatiopress.com/mediaandcommunication/article/download/1219/1219" >www.cogitatiopress.com/m &middot;&middot;&middot; 219/1219</A><br><br>I remember the noon time signal broadcast on CBC (now at 1:00 PM) coming from the "Dominion Observatory Official Time Signal" and saying, "At the beginning of the long dash following ten seconds of silence it till be it will be 1 o'clock, Eastern Standard Time." <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/california-wildfires-impeach-o-meter-sarah-connor-hallmark-movies-canada-s-time-signal-turns-80-and-more-1.5341042/the-beginning-of-the-long-dash-happy-80th-anniversary-to-cbc-radio-s-longest-running-segment-1.5341058" >www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/ca &middot;&middot;&middot; .5341058</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[hlo207 posted : Probably still the same these days. Back in late 90s I find out I could not get GPS signals near ILS Localizers antennas near the threshold of airport runways. Once you walk a bit off that narrow beams all the signals are back.  I was using surveyors grade GPS equipment with big GPS antenna. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dks01 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1793191" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1793191');">taraf</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/431519" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=431519');">Anav</a>:</said><p>In the meantime, suggest altimeters to be hardened or encoded so that the 5G restriction can be lifted.<br></p></div>By the time that could be implemented widely enough for the restriction to be lifted, we'll be using 6G. There are planes still in the air today that were built in the 60's.<br></p></div>The are Harvards from WW2 still flying and many original DH Beavers from the late 40’s and 50’s still in service. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dks01 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/2009071" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=2009071');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>My God, that seems strange.<br><br>It's actually a divided authority, which is not a good way to do business.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://hillnotes.ca/2021/05/10/understanding-spectrum-management-in-canada/" >hillnotes.ca/2021/05/10/ &middot;&middot;&middot; -canada/</A><br><br></p></div>There are historical reasons for that. You would need to look at Canadian broadcasting history for deeper background. But it has been that way as long as I can remember. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>But they did make it seem that 5G would be totally absent if you’re living near an airport and that your 5G iPhone or Samsung is virtually LTE locked. <br></p></div>Pearson is a terrible neighbor, so I'm sure they'll get whatever concessions they ask for and pass the costs onto travelers. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[taraf posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/431519" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=431519');">Anav</a>:</said><p>In the meantime, suggest altimeters to be hardened or encoded so that the 5G restriction can be lifted.<br></p></div>By the time that could be implemented widely enough for the restriction to be lifted, we'll be using 6G. There are planes still in the air today that were built in the 60's.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1547832" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1547832');">El Quintron</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>So if those areas already have 5G, what happens? Or is it a matter that towers/terminals can’t be placed in that area?<br></p></div>My area (at the bottom south) already had 5G, for at least a year. Most of the time spent from home will be on Wifi, but it's a pain. I'm going to assume that the signal will be weakened to standard (as I'm in the blue area, not red) <br></p></div>If everything (keyword if) holds true according to the article, you won’t notice a change - it’s for a future frequency that the Telco’s just purchase a couple months ago. I am not even sure if current phones could utilize the frequency and band. How big of a change this might be, though, I have no idea. Might be the difference between have Gb data speed or not having it. <br><br>It’s just poorly researched and bad reporting, which is typical now-a-days. They left out a lot of details, for example, that current 5G won’t be affected. But they did make it seem that 5G would be totally absent if you’re living near an airport and that your 5G iPhone or Samsung is virtually LTE locked. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1946728" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1946728');">dks01</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/2009071" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=2009071');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1512253" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1512253');">bjlockie</a>:</said><p>Is 5G an unlicensed band?<br></p></div>I don't understand your question, any implementation in any country has to be approved by the regulators such as CRTC, US FCC, UK Ofcom....<br></p></div>Spectrum management in Canada is overseen by Industry Canada. <br></p></div>My God, that seems strange.<br><br>It's actually a divided authority, which is not a good way to do business.<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>In Canada, ISED (---Industry Canada---) manages spectrum (except the spectrum used for broadcasting, which is managed by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission [CRTC])....<br></p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="https://hillnotes.ca/2021/05/10/understanding-spectrum-management-in-canada/" >hillnotes.ca/2021/05/10/ &middot;&middot;&middot; -canada/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>They were aware of potential conflict, but there should be enough of a buffer between 5G frequencies and altimeters that it shouldn’t have interfered. What’s happening here is Canada is taking a different approach than most, if not all, other countries in being cautious. Enough so that 5G in Canada interferes airplanes in this country only. Not that we’re using different technology or planes. <br><br>TELUS, Bell, and Rogers likely expected Canada to take the same approach as everyone else, rather than be outliers. <br></p></div>The US FCC is proposing what amounts to a more narrow buffer.<br><br>-----<br><br>But it [was] an area of active discussion in the industry for the last couple of years.<br><br>I wonder why the big Canadian carriers did not discuss this with the regulators prior to making their bids.  If not, somebody messed up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[HiVolt posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The current 5G deployment is at the most basic of levels; the full roll-out will include a lot more bells and whistles - like QoS/traffic prioritization, band splitting, and greater speed/bandwidth.<br></p></div>I agree, and calling it 5G was more marketing wank than anything, that it wasn't all that much faster than LTE with aggregation of multiple frequencies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/273051" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=273051');">HiVolt</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>So if those areas already have 5G, what happens? Or is it a matter that towers/terminals can’t be placed in that area?<br></p></div>Current "5G" is not on the 3.5ghz frequency, but rather on 2100 at least on Bell/Telus. I'm sure Bell will be doing aggregation with 5G bands like they do with LTE. You won't feel a difference in the city... Right now I can get about 500-550mbps on the single 5G frequency. <br></p></div>The current 5G deployment is at the most basic of levels; the full roll-out will include a lot more bells and whistles - like QoS/traffic prioritization, band splitting, and greater speed/bandwidth.<br><br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1281719" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1281719');">grand total</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The Government announcing the restrictions 2 weeks after the auction, is dirty pool...<br><br>This devalues the spectrum greatly...<br></p></div>You are imagining that the incumbents were not already well aware of the potential for such limitations. I think that is unlikely, these are not naïve players. I'm fairly sure they will have taken this into account in their bids.<br></p></div>I'm no longer in the regulatory side of the business - but I would assume (as others have mentioned) that IC following the rest of the world, would have been the assumption; not that they'd take a much more restrictive position.<br><br>TELUS has said the change has devalued their spectrum by 100 Million; I'm sure BCE and Rogers would take a similar position.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The Government announcing the restrictions 2 weeks after the auction, is dirty pool...<br></p></div>It's a shitshow for a lot of reasons. It devalues an already overpriced service, and you can bet I'm not getting rebate for reduced service either. <br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The same government that claims they want cheaper cell-service for Canadians, misses no opportunity to collect money from those same cell companies...<br></p></div>As I said earlier I'm not going to shed a tear for the big three, but the business climate certainly isn't going to promote any innovation from anyone with this level of regulatory uncertainty. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>So if those areas already have 5G, what happens? Or is it a matter that towers/terminals can’t be placed in that area?<br></p></div>My area (at the bottom south) already had 5G, for at least a year. Most of the time spent from home will be on Wifi, but it's a pain. I'm going to assume that the signal will be weakened to standard (as I'm in the blue area, not red) ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/431519" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=431519');">Anav</a>:</said><p>Degraded??  You are using 5g now?<br></p></div>We've been consistently getting 5G in this ares for the last 12-18 months? <br><br>That alone wouldn't really be a deal breaker, but Pearson is a shitshow, so add another reason why that place needs to be brought to heel. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GreenEnvy22 posted : Many Props still use ILS to land. Porters fleet almost certainly uses ILS to handle most approaches. Pilots will switch to manual the last couple hundred feet in most aircraft, even big Jets, bit the approach is most often ILS ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/273051" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=273051');">HiVolt</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>So if those areas already have 5G, what happens? Or is it a matter that towers/terminals can’t be placed in that area?<br></p></div>Current "5G" is not on the 3.5ghz frequency, but rather on 2100 at least on Bell/Telus. I'm sure Bell will be doing aggregation with 5G bands like they do with LTE. You won't feel a difference in the city... Right now I can get about 500-550mbps on the single 5G frequency. <br></p></div>Well, that’s good to know that you can still get 5G near airports. The original post suggested no 5G for those near airports (and near is relative, as this zones were quite large). <br><br>Probably should add: just another poorly written article. I guess whatever gets the most reads gets the most advertising dollars. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:45:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[HiVolt posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1875754" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1875754');">AppleGuy</a>:</said><p>So if those areas already have 5G, what happens? Or is it a matter that towers/terminals can’t be placed in that area?<br></p></div>Current "5G" is not on the 3.5ghz frequency, but rather on 2100 at least on Bell/Telus. I'm sure Bell will be doing aggregation with 5G bands like they do with LTE. You won't feel a difference in the city... Right now I can get about 500-550mbps on the single 5G frequency. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:41:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1281719" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1281719');">grand total</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The Government announcing the restrictions 2 weeks after the auction, is dirty pool...<br><br>This devalues the spectrum greatly...<br></p></div>You are imagining that the incumbents were not already well aware of the potential for such limitations. I think that is unlikely, these are not naïve players. I'm fairly sure they will have taken this into account in their bids.<br></p></div>They were aware of potential conflict, but there should be enough of a buffer between 5G frequencies and altimeters that it shouldn’t have interfered. What’s happening here is Canada is taking a different approach than most, if not all, other countries in being cautious. Enough so that 5G in Canada interferes airplanes in this country only. Not that we’re using different technology or planes. <br><br>TELES, Bell, and Rogers likely expected Canada to take the same approach as everyone else, rather than be outliers. <br><br>Perhaps they’re right — but I am guessing they’re wrong in this case (that is, the gov’t). ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:35:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[grand total posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p>The Government announcing the restrictions 2 weeks after the auction, is dirty pool...<br><br>This devalues the spectrum greatly...<br></p></div>You are imagining that the incumbents were not already well aware of the potential for such limitations. I think that is unlikely, these are not naïve players. I'm fairly sure they will have taken this into account in their bids.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:13:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Anav posted : I am super pleased that the plane I am on, which will have to land in TO or Montreal will not have its altimeter frigged with by 5G technology.<br><br>In the meantime, suggest altimeters to be hardened or encoded so that the 5G restriction can be lifted.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:17:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Anav posted : Degraded??  You are using 5g now?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:16:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[AppleGuy posted : The purple areas are about 19km in length. That’s pretty large. <br><br>So if those areas already have 5G, what happens? Or is it a matter that towers/terminals can’t be placed in that area?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dks01 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/2009071" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=2009071');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1512253" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1512253');">bjlockie</a>:</said><p>Is 5G an unlicensed band?<br></p></div>I don't understand your question, any implementation in any country has to be approved by the regulators such as CRTC, US FCC, UK Ofcom....<br></p></div>Spectrum management in Canada is overseen by Industry Canada. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/home" >www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/sm &middot;&middot;&middot; eng/home</A>]]></description>
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