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Re: VA broadband

Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:12:40 EDT

dtv757 posted : Is fios available? It would be 80 or 90 for gig up and down . Free router but you can also use your own.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:11:29 EDT

dtv757 posted : You may want to ask on the xfinity forum...

Not sure if the provider router would have all those controls

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:24:39 EDT

Mystic95Z posted : I ended up adding unlimited to my Concast internet yesterday... My bill is now 100.00/mo for 1200/40 plan. I use my own modem and router and the router is ageing and I was told that I could get their equipment and unlimited for $25/mo which would put my bill at 95.00/mo. Might have to try it... Seems XFI Complete is 25/mo now since I pay 70/mo for internet alone.

Question about the XFI modem/router, can you set your own ssid names and can you also do things like force all clients to use a specific DNS server and assign local IP's based on mac address? Those are some of the things I currently do with my ASUS router.

Re: VA broadband

Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:01:19 EDT

anon posted : FYI, get the 'XFI Complete Internet' package for 14 bucks extra a month. No caps, unlimited.

Comcrap doesn't advertise XFI Complete as much as their capped plans.

Comcrap has postponed caps until 2022 in my area.

This is my internet only plan in the DC burbs of Virginia:

Unlimited 1200Mbps Down/40Mbps Up
Internet: GIGABIT INTERNET $110.95
Internet: XFI COMPLETE $14.00

I use 3tb to 4tb a month

Re: VA broadband

Fri, 29 Oct 2021 03:30:06 EDT

Tony0945 posted :

said by cramer:

They will mismanage and squander every penny of any "tax". (just like they have, and continue to do, with everything.)

That's just a political statement. so we should shut down SS, Medicare, the Park service, everything but the military? Including the FBI? News flash, the "Founding Fathers" made the Navy permanent but the Army's existence has to be authorized every year. The disliked a standing Army. So let's cut that way back too and rely on the National Guard to repel invasions. Gee, you rich people would pay no taxes at all. We proles can just work until we drop on the job. Conservative Heaven on Earth.

Re: VA broadband

Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:55:53 EDT

cramer posted : We will complain because it's already a sufficiently profitable business to fund it's own infrastructure. Anything the government does to "foster broadband" is BS political grandstanding. They will mismanage and squander every penny of any "tax". (just like they have, and continue to do, with everything.)

Re: VA broadband

Thu, 28 Oct 2021 20:13:40 EDT

tc1uscg posted :

said by Tony0945:

A modest tax on internet usage would suffice if you absolutely insist on no deficit spending. Perhaps "infrastructure bonds" could be issued for funding. 30 year bonds so they are paid off before a new set of bonds for replacement is required.

I wonder how fast the dollar store would run out of coloring books and crayons, and unicorns would have to go into hiding again if the feds had ISP's and cellphone companies tack on a little "surcharge" for "X" number of bytes used to help pay for it broadband infrastructure buildouts? The crying would be loud and swift (just a guess).

Re: VA broadband

Thu, 28 Oct 2021 20:10:58 EDT

tc1uscg posted :

said by maartena:

But this includes a LOT of wasteful spending, such as senators from states such as Alabama that has a large vehicle factory or two to get contracts to build a few thousand new M1A2 Abrams tanks, while on the other side of the country the last batch they built is collecting dust in the Nevada desert.

I kind of did a double take there. The only tank plant I know of is in Lima Ohio. Matter of fact, Trump stopped there for a visit once in 2019. Know how I know that? I was the 1st car stopped on the I-75 behind his motorcade and followed him and his posse all the way to Lima. Are you sure you are not thinking of where they test and retrofit them for modernization in Anniston? They do the same thing in AL as they do in OH as far as testing them, but around 10k were built and they are ONLY built in Lima.

Why is it when people want to get some quick cash, they talk about cutting the military? You might have a point now that Cornpop-in-Chief tucked tail and departed Afghan. When do we turn our backs on Syria and a few places over in Africa? Here's an idea, instead of stuffing pork (i.e., bills that have nothing to do the matter at hand) into a spending plan, like the one that took "Make America Great Again" and turned it into "Build Back Better" (sorry, every time I hear that phrase, it makes me think of Trumps slogan). Maybe it should be "Build Back Bigger". Same thing happened to the Covid19 spending bills. So, before you want to trim the military (yeah, I'm biased coming from a branch that's begged for new Ice Breakers for 20 years only to have Trump make it happen, lets spend the money on what it's supposed to be fore, not pet projects. So, I personally don't want to hear any shit about cutting the military when 2 of the ships I served on are 2 years short of being 60 years old and replacements won't be operational for another 5+ years. Security and protection comes at a price. So remember, you get what you pay for.

Re: VA broadband

Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:58:44 EDT

dtv757 posted : I know fiber broadband has been around since 80s. I believe GTE was testing it in 89 ... and Bell atlantic video was testing fiber and tv in the 90s so its been like 30 years.

»www.sun-sentinel.com/new ··· ory.html

Fiber should be available to all similar to how cable expanded to all back in the 70s/80s

Re: VA broadband

Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:16:35 EDT

Tony0945 posted : Except for your comments on the military, I agree with you. I'd prefer removing the "earned income" tax credit. I always hated that one because I always figured that I earned my income and then some. But you have to be single with a herd of illegitimate kids for that one.
Sixty billion is PEANUTS. The FED has pumped trillions into the stock market, this year alone. How much has the government paid for covid vaccine? How much for extra unemployment? Not all of it needs to be appropriated in a single year anyway. A new one-purpose company can't be built that fast anyway. Since the CIA will have their backdoor anyway, I suggest a government agency so no need to executive perks and bloated CEO salaries. A modest tax on internet usage would suffice if you absolutely insist on no deficit spending. Perhaps "infrastructure bonds" could be issued for funding. 30 year bonds so they are paid off before a new set of bonds for replacement is required.

Re: VA broadband

Thu, 28 Oct 2021 10:26:33 EDT

maartena posted :

said by Brian_M:

So, what you're REALLY saying is that you're 100% against universal broadband. FTTH isn't going to happen universally, reaching every residence. POTS didn't even achieve that. FTTH won't even hit the same percent coverage as POTS.

Connect people first, any service/delivery that's available. Once Everyone actually HAS service, then worry about moving forward from there. One step at a time, pick the important ones first... THAT people are connected is far, FAR more important than what the delivery medium is.

I think both can be achieved. Naturally, just like with POTS, you cannot get to ALL dwellings. There are those SO remote, SO far away that they do not even have electricity service. But if your home/property gets electricity delivered by a cable from a electricity distribution point somewhere in the county you live in, you should have a fiber line coming to your house as well.

Speeds is a different question. No, it does not have to be Gigabit for everyone right away, I can completely understand it may be a bit harder to deliver gigabit to every ranch in Montana, due to limitations of bringing bigger backbones to the local area. But.... we should be able to bring at least 100/100 Mbps to every dwelling with a electricity cable.

The best way to achieve this, is by fiber cable. That SAME fiber cable does not have to be replaced when speeds go up to 1 Gbps, 10 Gbps, even 100 Gbps, and the cable will likely need to be replaced because of AGE before it needs to be replaced for faster speeds.

There are estimates going around the web as to what it would cost to fiber up the entire country. (Or at least the 99% that has an electricity connection from the grid) Estimates vary from as low as $30 Billion to as much as $60 Billion to get that done. That is a lot of money.....

But for the sake of argument, I am not only going to increase those estimates to $100 Billion to get it done, I am going to DOUBLE it because inflation, problems, underestimates, etc..... so let's say it costs $200 Billion to get this done.

You can't get this done in 1 year either, a project like this takes a minimum of 10 years to get done, assuming you can train the workforce needed for it.

So that will average out to $20 Billion per year. Now where do we get this money? The military. The military budget per year is around $700 Billion. But this includes a LOT of wasteful spending, such as senators from states such as Alabama that has a large vehicle factory or two to get contracts to build a few thousand new M1A2 Abrams tanks, while on the other side of the country the last batch they built is collecting dust in the Nevada desert. We have 10,000 nuclear weapons, of which 1,000 or so in "active/ready" state. If we launched TEN of those (and probably received at least ten in return on the top 10 cities of the nation) we will already have effectively destroyed the world's economy, and if we launch 50 (and receive 50 back) of those we will have effectively destroyed the world. So lets go back to a full arsenal of 500 nukes instead of 10,000, and have just 2 submarines active, 2 passive at all times just in case of a crazy dictator with a nuke.... but we don't need to keep spending Billions to keep a cold war going.

So lets cut the military budget by 10%. Free up $70 Billion per year, use $20 Billion to get internet to everyone, and the remaining $50 Billion to educate our children with cheap college or universities for everyone under a certain income level. The internet can surely help with this, such as remote classes.

Of course there will be people yelling "socialism!!!" when they read this. Guess what: One of the two big parties actively campaigned to not create Social Security because it was considered "socialism". 30 years later the same party called Medicare "socialism". All because we wanted to take care of our elderly citizens..... so yeah, it will be a fight.

Once done however, the entire fiber network should be handed to a NEW company. A company that does ONLY infrastructure. This company will be allowed to lease out their fiber cables to anyone at any time, so Verizon, Centurylink and AT&T can compete with each other in the same market, using the same fiber cables, which have plenty of capacity for a LOT of competition.

This is one of those things that in 15 years from now people will go: Why did we not do this sooner?

Re: VA broadband

Tue, 26 Oct 2021 14:56:09 EDT

ohreally posted :

said by SysOp:

Basic DSL is not a one stop shop consumer solution for Entertainment or Convenience. (Rural land has always been cheaper for a reason and convenience is not one of them.)

Once again, why are you pushing DSL so hard? In the form of ADSL/ADSL2+ it is an obsolete technology, even VDSL is sunsetting as the previously copper-enthusiastic telcos look to replace it - in both rural and urban areas alike.

Any telco that spends even a penny on deploying *DSL today is wasting money. FTTH makes so much more sense. Some people have a weird fixation on the idea that rural people might have Too Much Speed and that's simply unfathomable?

T1 should similarly be firmly consigned to the history books. It amuses me that some US telcos think this is something that they can still sell. My non-US telco employer doesn't even like selling E1s for actual telephony, they will push hard for you to get SIP trunking or managed voice, and they don't sell them for data - you'll get EFM, even if it is over bonded copper lines.

said by SysOp:

If the business was still open today, the business would simply buy the bandwidth needed to stay competitive.

If you could afford it. "simply" indeed.

said by SysOp:

. ISPs will invest in an area when it makes sense. I do NOT agree that tax money should be used to subsidize the internet. The primary reason people want better than basic DSL is for Entertainment and Convenience.

It's already been proven that many bigger ISPs won't invest when and where it makes sense. $billions on failed media ventures, rather less on the internet services that people actually want to buy.

The internet is essential now. It's time it was built that way.

Re: VA broadband

Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:32:53 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by SysOp:

Everyone works server side via terminal servers. Peak bandwidth to our dual wan terminal servers are well under 100mbps.

thanks for finally elaborating. It's good of you to validate your experience with details on how you make it work, as well as that you ensure to provide your own employees with such tools. Not every company that employs WFH uses terminal services as you do.

I do note, however, that terminal services are still not optimal for videography nor for professional photography, since it does not take care of the problem of uploading large files. There also tends to be more latency for full screen refreshes (TS leverages partial screen refreshes to give an illusion of responsiveness)

said by SysOp:

WFH may have different bandwidth qualifications, so I acknowledge there are home based businesses and sole proprietors who buy more than basic DSL.

Add to that regular employees whose employers require high bandwidth tasks (yes, they exist, even if they aren't you) and we'll be on the same page.

said by SysOp:

I don't agree that tax payers should subsidize other peoples internet.

"other people" are not the only ones who benefit.

Employers such as yourself would have access to a much larger pool of potential employees. Even those who have only basic DSL now; if they can support only one teleworker today, there may be other potential workers in the same household. Basic cable Internet (100/10 - even 100/5) can support a few, though I would still avoid videography, which really requires synchronous gigabit (livestreaming is not videography for purpose of this thread)

As we get older, we will find ourselves increasingly treated by younger people. The kids of today need access to better learning resources so they can care for us later.

said by SysOp:

Other than screen sharing their local desktop

why do they do that? Does their screen share work efficiently on low-end connections?

Re: VA broadband

Tue, 26 Oct 2021 06:42:32 EDT

Mystic95Z posted :

said by tc1uscg:

Thats how deep you put your dog fence. What where they thinking?

Obviously they weren't.

I'm no construction expert, but even when I built the privacy fence at my old house a little bit of research turned up how deep I needed to sink the posts (below the frost line) to keep them from coming up out of the ground on their own... And 3-4" wasn't it lol.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:52:15 EDT

nondo posted :

said by cramer:

Depends on what you're watching. Somethings take very little bandwidth, other times it will be 8-10Mbps. (yes I watch my bandwidth while streaming TV)

h.266 drops that to 4-5Mbps which allows 6Mbps DSL to stream that. My point is that future codecs are unlocking the ability to stream video to crappy connections.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:50:51 EDT

tc1uscg posted : Thats how deep you put your dog fence. What where they thinking?

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:41:07 EDT

nondo posted :

said by SysOp:

...
Family business was wedding photography. Partners of the business handled the videography side. Before basic DSL, we used a dedicated line for dial up to market the business, order supplies and reply to customers emails. We used a 3rd party to create and host our website. We used FedEx to send proofs, tapes and DVDs. The studio was located in an office park. If the business was still open today, the business would simply buy the bandwidth needed to stay competitive.
...

(1 terabyte) / (30 Mbps) = 3.08641975 days

USPS Priority Mail is faster and cheaper than Cox for uploads in 2021 and likely till 2041.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:09:00 EDT

SysOp posted :

said by AppFarmer:

sorry - you are not providing the specific marketable work-from-home tasks I requested

said by AppFarmer:

Care to enumerate a few of the typical and bandwidth-intensive business activities you are referring to? (edit: meaning stuff above reading/writing text-only emails and editing text-only documents)

I don't follow.

I support a large number of work from home. Other than screen sharing their local desktop, nothing they do is bandwidth intensive. Everyone works server side via terminal servers. Peak bandwidth to our dual wan terminal servers are well under 100mbps.

WFH may have different bandwidth qualifications, so I acknowledge there are home based businesses and sole proprietors who buy more than basic DSL. I don't agree that tax payers should subsidize other peoples internet.

terminal servers

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:00:52 EDT

cramer posted : Depends on what you're watching. Somethings take very little bandwidth, other times it will be 8-10Mbps. (yes I watch my bandwidth while streaming TV)

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:58:46 EDT

cramer posted : Digging up your yard is your business. Digging up everyone else's yards... now you have red tape. Right-of-way isn't your's to do what ever you want, when ever you want. (ROW is government property. Easements are private property agreements.)

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:51:12 EDT

cramer posted : Louisville KY was a microtrenching experiment. It failed. (Fiber stuffed 3-4" below the road/curb interface does not work. The fiber, and the foam covering it, just floats out of the crack eventually.)

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:47:09 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by SysOp:

Consumers can work from home on basic DSL if they choose...

Each of my remote locations on basic DSL has two Win10 workstations with remote desktop, remote printing, cc processing, email, point of sale inventory system, time clock system, payroll system, help desk access, and intranet access to PDF and streaming video training.

Family business was wedding photography. Partners of the business handled the videography side. Before basic DSL, we used a dedicate line for dial up to market the business, order supplies and reply to customers emails. We used a 3rd party to create and host our website. We used FedEx to send proofs, tapes and DVDs.

sorry - you are not providing the specific marketable work-from-home tasks I requested

Your business information does apply to limited businesses (looks like retail and/or physical services - i.e. offline business activities that use dsl for some office logistics)

I take the anecdote regarding your photography business to be an admission that you could not compete without broadband.

said by SysOp:

They can use basic DSL to locate work in their area

on websites that load slowly, but for the desperate, I suppose this is okay

said by SysOp:

Access websites. Shop online

fewer websites and online retailers are practical with slower connections. Many are not that interested in making lightweight websites.

said by SysOp:

Basic DSL at 1.5mbps is capable of joining corporate or school hosted video conferences. 1.5mbps is the same download capacity as a T1 data line.

Many schools require all participants to broadcast video, which is not stable with those upload speeds (my kids have to deal with this rule - fortunately, we have 100/10 cable) - I would not be surprised if many corporations did likewise.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:10:20 EDT

SysOp posted : Basic DSL is not a one stop shop consumer solution for Entertainment or Convenience. (Rural land has always been cheaper for a reason and convenience is not one of them.)

Consumers can work from home on basic DSL if they choose. They can use basic DSL to locate work in their area. Access websites. Shop online. And even take online classes.

Each of my remote locations on basic DSL have two Win10 workstations with remote desktop, remote printing, cc processing, email, point of sale inventory system, time clock system, payroll system, help desk access, and intranet access to PDF and streaming video training. The two workstations stay on 24/7 and update outside of business hours.

Family business was wedding photography. Partners of the business handled the videography side. Before basic DSL, we used a dedicated line for dial up to market the business, order supplies and reply to customers emails. We used a 3rd party to create and host our website. We used FedEx to send proofs, tapes and DVDs. The studio was located in an office park. If the business was still open today, the business would simply buy the bandwidth needed to stay competitive.

Basic DSL at 1.5mbps is capable of joining corporate or school hosted video conferences. 1.5mbps is the same download capacity as a T1 data line. It boils down to location, location, location. ISPs will invest in an area when it makes sense. I do NOT agree that tax money should be used to subsidize the internet. The primary reason people want better than basic DSL is for Entertainment and Convenience.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:21:47 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by SysOp:

I have several remote locations still on 1.5mb/256kb.

Yes, it works for business and training.

No, it's not going to replace all entertainment, cable tv, gamefly or netflix by mail.

so not consumer appropriate, bur possibly suitable for certain business activities

Care to enumerate a few of the typical and bandwidth-intensive business activities you are referring to? (edit: meaning stuff above reading/writing text-only emails and editing text-only documents)

(separate question)
Would you recommend it for contemporary professions such as videography or common remote office activities like zoom conferences?

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:14:14 EDT

dtv757 posted : I was able to netflix on 3 devices no issues when I had 3 MBPS dsl .

All devices were hard wired tho.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 15:15:10 EDT

SysOp posted : I have several remote locations still on 1.5mb/256kb.

Yes, it works for business and training.

No, it's not going to replace all entertainment, cable tv, gamefly or netflix by mail.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 15:13:55 EDT

nondo posted :

said by aaronwt:

said by dtv757:

I had DSL 3 Meg for 10 years very reliable 0 outages

Yes too "slow" for the modern 4K era but it was very reliable .

Too slow for the HD era as well.

Nonsense. 1080p h.264 netflix plunges below 3Mbps these days. 720p plays fine.

h.265 1080p is 1.5-2.5Mbps
h.266 1080p is <1-1.5Mbps

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:34:49 EDT

r81984 posted :

said by DocDrew:

said by r81984:

You make no sense at all. Why are you so irrationally against fiber?

I'm not. I have fiber at my house, I have it at work. I help install and maintain fiber connections as part of my job. It's just not as easy to install broadband infrastructure as you seem to think.

It's not "oh there's power lines there, snap my fingers and now there is fiber there." Just like power and phone did, it will take several decades. changes in regulations, and lots of money.

It is as easy as anything else we do for work.
You do not install anything as you think it is hard. Taking time does not mean something is hard. Money also does not make something hard.
We have done installs like this for over 100 years in the US. We have much better processes/tools now than 100 years ago to do it.

Regardless our country can easily afford it and we will make our money back easily from the benefits.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:05:50 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by dtv757:

Yupp hopefully in a few years I can move into a fios area again

Just sucks causes there's lots of new construction areas in my area and they have to suffer from the docsis monopoly .

One of my co workers just had a house build and also suffers from constant outages he can no longer work from home cause of how often tue outages are...

In my area which has Comcast DOCSIS and FiOS, Comcast has outages as often as FiOS. Which is to say they rarely happen.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:58:59 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by dtv757:

I had DSL 3 Meg for 10 years very reliable 0 outages

Yes too "slow" for the modern 4K era but it was very reliable .

Too slow for the HD era as well.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:07:53 EDT

nondo posted :

said by DocDrew:

said by r81984:

You make no sense at all. Why are you so irrationally against fiber?

ATT and Verizon have been snapping their fingers left and right around my hood. Bell South snapped their fingers 30 years ago.

The only one that thinks fiber is difficult is Cox who is pouting like a petulant child while their network shits the bed.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:59:28 EDT

nondo posted :

said by cramer:

said by DocDrew:

said by r81984:

They can easily add fiber as the right of ways already exist.

Only those who've never been involved in building broadband infrastructure, think it's easy...

It's like saying installing a sprinkler system is easy, because your yard already exists.

There is something wrong with America when people believe digging holes is difficult.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:24:22 EDT

AppFarmer posted :

said by r81984:

We have ran lines to everyone houses for over 100 years in this country. We have the process as efficient as it will get

while it is true that we ran lines to virtually every location, those runs were all in the past with only such revisits as required for maintenance and repair. Most of those lines have not been redeployed.

Even though, ostensibly, one would only have to attach to existing poles, the difficulty and expense of getting to those pole locations can be quite high in rural locations (poles do not follow roads in mountainous locations, for example)

In a cynical sense, deployment is less efficient now that in decades past. Processes were were faster because they had fewer safety protocols to follow. I fully support those protocols but they do add time to a deployment. Compound that with a significant shift in the public mindset from supporting most technical progress for the common good to prevailing NIMBYism and increasing bureaucracies and we have a perfect storm of inefficiency encroaching on the deployment process

I personally hold FTTP as an ideal to be striven for. Where buildings are close enough together, it should be the standard. Every reasonably dense neighborhood (I'm thinking in the range of 1/2 to 1 acre, generally) should have fiber deployed.

I am also a pragmatist in that I do think that wireless has a place in connectivity, having been quite content on 15/15 LTE, myself. (I still fall back to that when Spectrum goes down) HFC already has broad deployment and, therefore, a place (though I do wish they would hurry up with D3.1 and decent upload speeds)

A remote cluster of houses (1 acre and under lots) that happens to be far out of town may be best served by a microwave link with fiber to each house until the region densifies sufficiently to provide a complete fiber connection.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:40:25 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by r81984:

You make no sense at all. Why are you so irrationally against fiber?

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:49:04 EDT

r81984 posted : You make no sense at all. Why are you so irrationally against fiber?

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:46:12 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by r81984:

The costs are easily justified for the benefits. Anyone says it is "hard" has no idea what they are talking about.

So how is YOUR fiber connection? How much did you pay?

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:37:04 EDT

r81984 posted : We have ran lines to everyone houses for over 100 years in this country. We have the process as efficient as it will get. It is something we have contractors doing every day in this country. You really dont make any sense. The costs are easily justified for the benefits. Anyone says it is "hard" has no idea what they are talking about.
Google had no problems doing the work, their only problems was getting right a ways while other ISPs who sued or bribed politicians to block them.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 09:19:37 EDT

tc1uscg posted :

said by DocDrew:

said by r81984:

They can easily add fiber as the right of ways already exist.

Only those who've never been involved in building broadband infrastructure, think it's easy just because there are power lines along the path. Ask Google, Santa Cruz fiber, or even Sonic how easy getting fiber to locations is.

Yeah, look at the mess in Louisville KY (google) They showed it's not as simple as tacking up some fiber to a poll. Even sinking it can be not so easy. For example that whoever they contracted to deploy it didn't know much about what they were doing. I wouldn't even pretend to know. I'm an inside plant guy (back in my days with Sprint) and anyone posting here unless you have been on the street running this stuff, just reading the job scope doesn't make one an expert. They just didn't use the right team, in Louisville for example. I've seen some of the pictures of the mess they left. Just sad. :huh:

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:54:04 EDT

cramer posted :

said by DocDrew:

said by r81984:

They can easily add fiber as the right of ways already exist.

Only those who've never been involved in building broadband infrastructure, think it's easy...

It's like saying installing a sprinkler system is easy, because your yard already exists.

Re: VA broadband

Mon, 25 Oct 2021 00:21:17 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by r81984:

They can easily add fiber as the right of ways already exist.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:26:45 EDT

Astyanax posted :

said by SysOp:

Watch out for HOAs that have binding agreements preventing home owners from using any ISP they want.

Not all HOAs have binding agreements with ISPs.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:24:31 EDT

dtv757 posted : Agree everyone should have access to FTTH

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:48:56 EDT

r81984 posted : LOL, you are doubling down on your incorrect view. The point is they have wires going to almost every house in the entire USA. It is like 99.991% of houses. They can easily add fiber as the right of ways already exist.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:18:44 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by r81984:

FTTH is available and can be ran universally to every residence just like electricity, water, sewage, phone, etc. It can easily happen.

said by r81984:

LOL, you pointed out 15K houses out of 139 million that dont have utilities going to them.

15 thousand was just no grid power. Another 13 million were missing municipal water and 21 million sewage, so it's more than just 15k don't have the "universal" utilities you claimed everyone had earlier.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 16:14:56 EDT

r81984 posted : LOL, you pointed out 15K houses out of 139 million that dont have utilities going to them. You are really grasping at straws here.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:38:51 EDT

Tony0945 posted : When I worked at Tellabs our briefing book explained that. Old monopoly AT&T was allowed a fixed percentage of capital as profit. Period. So the only way to increase profit was by increasing capital, i.e. massive overbuilding for a guaranteed (by the FCC) profit of ~10%.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:24:29 EDT

nondo posted :

said by cramer:

60-70 years ago, ROI was measured in years, even decades. Today, investors measure ROI in days. So you can't do the same scale projects that were common back then. Today, the greedy bastards take all the tax breaks, and handouts and stuff them right in their bonuses.

Back then nearly half the country didn't vote for worse infrastructure. Investors and ISP's are only reacting what the voting public wants i.e. worse internet and no accountability of spending public dollars.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:53:27 EDT

ohreally posted : don't forget how there's no money for services that people are gladly willing to pay for, but if they instead want to overpay for some declining businesses then it's suddenly a sound investment (even if it gets closed down or spun off a couple of years later at a fraction of the purchase price)

used to have masses of R&D cash poured into things that have a literally world-changing impact to society, these days it just seems to be about finding ways to charge the maximum amount possible for minimal service (and even less on employing people to keep it running)

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:44:38 EDT

cramer posted : 60-70 years ago, ROI was measured in years, even decades. Today, investors measure ROI in days. So you can't do the same scale projects that were common back then. Today, the greedy bastards take all the tax breaks, and handouts and stuff them right in their bonuses.

Not that they've been spending anything, but any money spent on infrastructure should be going towards fiber installation / expansion. Until we invent "subspace radio", wireless is never going to be the answer.

Re: VA broadband

Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:33:51 EDT

Mystic95Z posted :

said by tc1uscg:

Though it's been pointed out just getting fiber isn't the silver bullet and anyone who thinks that is in for rude awaking

You got that right, one of our satellite IT offices in Huntsville AL paid to have Verizon run a fiber line to the building and after it was up they were still only getting 3mbps lol.