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Re: Prep for Coronavirussaid by Gone:More indication that the GTA and other parts of the province that were hit hard earlier on - especially Toronto and Peel - are benefiting from hybrid immunity that other parts of the province have yet to see. Isn't that precisely the point, so why are some people perplexed by it? |
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2021-Nov-11 9:13 pm
Well, I'm just going back to my earlier comments a month or so ago about how this has more to do with hybrid immunity and not the NPIs some people were "sure" were responsible for Ontario's success. That "success" doesn't exist outside the GTA, and that only lends more credibility to the argument that hybrid immunity, and not NPIs, were responsible for holding any of this of.
All we're doing is prolonging the inevitable and causing all sorts of wide-sweeping ramifications that those insulted from remain blind to.
I mean, look at Cautious Kingston - they've had nothing, and now they're one of the worst in the province. You can't stop an airborne respiratory virus with behavior and NPIs, no matter how much you may wish it would. The only thing that stops it is immunity, and when immunity doesn't last forever the only thing you can hope for is that you can keep them out of hospital. |
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2021-Nov-11 9:26 pm
Oh like Sweden? They just eliminated testing for the vaccinated, and have so many covid zero death days that all the NPI crowd can do is point to 'the before times' in Sweden for their covid kicks. |
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Sweden is a complex picture, here is a good review. "So Was Sweden a Covid Success or Failure?" » www.bloomberg.com/opinio ··· -neither |
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2021-Nov-11 9:59 pm
Sweden spared their children, by that measure alone they win the thread. |
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Anav
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2021-Nov-11 10:44 pm
Nobody wins in a pandemic........ |
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2021-Nov-11 10:54 pm
It isn't a pandemic anymore, might not have ever been one had the virus not been novel, even.
And au contraire, there has been many a winner in what came after March 2020...we may be in the same storm but not in the same boats! |
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A few months ago I had the feeling that maybe Sweden was getting too much attention in this regard, and Japan too little. Now I'm more sure of it. Japan is the clear favourite to win the prize for best coronavirus response. They were hit with the delta variant just like everywhere else, but they did quite well on vaccination, they continued diligently applying sensible low-cost mitigation measures like wearing masks, and they resisted the temptation to resort to the kind of draconian "lockdown" practices that are constitutionally unjustifiable in a free country. As a result they got through it quickly and efficiently. Sweden did okay, but Japan did better. |
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said by Flaochat:A few months ago I had the feeling that maybe Sweden was getting too much attention in this regard, and Japan too little. Now I'm more sure of it. Japan is the clear favourite to win the prize for best coronavirus response. They were hit with the delta variant just like everywhere else, but they did quite well on vaccination, they continued diligently applying sensible low-cost mitigation measures like wearing masks, and they resisted the temptation to resort to the kind of draconian "lockdown" practices that are constitutionally unjustifiable in a free country. As a result they got through it quickly and efficiently. Sweden did okay, but Japan did better. When we catch up with our delayed herd immunity we can compare the death figure totals. Do we want lots of deaths in a short time and get it over with or do we want to draw the death count out for ten years or more, and possibly count the same totals? Once the doctors stop whining about making life and death decisions the sheeple may decide a different path than we have already chosen. We know one thing for sure...the first nation out of the pandemic with herd immunity, will be the financial winner in the global supply market. Pick your poison. Industry, political, medical, or latest logical path. |
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said by larrywa123:the first nation out of the pandemic with herd immunity, will be the financial winner in the global supply market. So the financial winner is ... Bangladesh, then? Here's hoping. |
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said by Flaochat:A few months ago I had the feeling that maybe Sweden was getting too much attention in this regard, and Japan too little. Now I'm more sure of it. Japan is the clear favourite to win the prize for best coronavirus response. They were hit with the delta variant just like everywhere else, but they did quite well on vaccination, they continued diligently applying sensible low-cost mitigation measures like wearing masks, and they resisted the temptation to resort to the kind of draconian "lockdown" practices that are constitutionally unjustifiable in a free country. As a result they got through it quickly and efficiently. Sweden did okay, but Japan did better. Uh the multiple states of emergency that have been declared in Japan, would like a word with you on that. Additionally, try going to Japan as a tourist right now. You'll get turned right back around. Japan is still working through things and haven't yet reached the point of the "open for business" mantra of those who want to ignore Covid and hope it goes away. NefCanuck |
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said by NefCanuck:Uh the multiple states of emergency that have been declared in Japan, would like a word with you on that. I haven't heard of them doing anything too crazy as a result of those state of emergency declarations. No "pass sanitaire" or passports except for international travel, no trying to close borders between prefectures, nothing worthy of the name "lockdown" as we understand it here. What exactly did they do that would be so offensive to people who don't "want to ignore Covid and hope it goes away" among whom I would not count myself? The things I heard about like discouraging travel and the various rules for restaurants and so on sounded fair enough and seem to have been effective. The normal line is to point out how much better their population is at following the rules, but I think a large part of the reason for that is the rules being a lot less stupid. |
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said by Flaochat:said by NefCanuck:Uh the multiple states of emergency that have been declared in Japan, would like a word with you on that. I haven't heard of them doing anything too crazy as a result of those state of emergency declarations. No "pass sanitaire" or passports except for international travel, no trying to close borders between prefectures, nothing worthy of the name "lockdown" as we understand it here. What exactly did they do that would be so offensive to people who don't "want to ignore Covid and hope it goes away" among whom I would not count myself? The things I heard about like discouraging travel and the various rules for restaurants and so on sounded fair enough and seem to have been effective. The normal line is to point out how much better their population is at following the rules, but I think a large part of the reason for that is the rules being a lot less stupid. Unless you've been to Japan, you don't understand how much following rules is literally a part of everyday life there. I consider myself pretty much a "follow the rules" type and even I was going "Holy mackerel" when I went there in 2013 for a ten day trip. It started with getting all ten digits fingerprinted at border control, they didn't care that trying to do that with my right hand which is affected by cereberal palsy, turned into a gong show of trying to twist and torque a limb that does not like being treated like that, to reach their fixed platform for taking fingerprints. I cannot imagine that they've relaxed that much so as to make them a poster child for "relaxed" Covid-19 restrictions if the infection numbers don't warrant it. NefCanuck |
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said by NefCanuck:I cannot imagine that they've relaxed that much so as to make them a poster child for "relaxed" Covid-19 restrictions I am not so sure I'd characterise it as "relaxed." More as "not completely insane." In this case, what they got was better-designed, more effective, less pointlessly bureaucratic and restrictive. True, the cultural difference is larger than is often appreciated. I know a little about it. Only a little, but enough to make me think that there is what I would describe as a sense of honour there that almost all the rest of the world has lost. Sometimes it results in a kind of rigid adherence to the rules, but that very much includes standing by the principles that make it a moral impossibility to impose "lockdown" even when it might appear to some to be pragmatically useful to do so. |
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said by NefCanuck:Uh the multiple states of emergency that have been declared in Japan, would like a word with you on that.
Additionally, try going to Japan as a tourist right now. You'll get turned right back around. If they hadn't insisted on holding the Olympics come hell or high water (even without spectators), the situation (e.g. R rate, etc) would've been better by now. |
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