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Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:16:16 EDT

Branch posted : Yes, correct. I didn’t want to use VHO because it’s not based on that (it’s regional), but yeah it’s essentially that

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 17:21:54 EDT

webcobbler posted :

said by Branch:

An update, over the next two weeks the router will become available to NY & NY markets of NJ, and then will continue to expand availability. As of right now it should be available to those with MultiGig in NY, as well as anyone in upstate NY (buffalo, Syracuse, etc)

IMO, "NY markets of NJ" would be the NYDMA ( Tri-State ) area. Hence NJ's VHO7.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 17:10:31 EDT

transit54 posted :

said by Branch:

This is extremely helpful, thanks! I’ve been checking the Verizon site daily. It seems to be the most affordable way to get 6E and > 1 Gbps Ethernet.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 15:54:24 EDT

Branch posted : An update, over the next two weeks the router will become available to NY & NY markets of NJ, and then will continue to expand availability. As of right now it should be available to those with MultiGig in NY, as well as anyone in upstate NY (buffalo, Syracuse, etc)

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:16:14 EDT

buckingham posted :

Mesh connects nodes together by wifi.

Only when hardwire Ethernet isn't available. The better systems use a separate, third network to do the backhaul when wireless is necessary, too.]

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sun, 27 Feb 2022 08:02:02 EDT

Foxbat121 posted :

said by Darthgamer64:

Mesh connects nodes together by wifi.

Many mesh systems have alternative backhauls like Ethernet or dedicated wireless radio.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:56:00 EDT

Darthgamer64 posted :

said by Foxbat121:

VZ should just rename its extenders as VZ Mesh or something like that to avoid the confusion and backlash from those who reject the word 'extender'.

Mesh connects nodes together by wifi. Verizon is doing alot off right things by using moca as backhaul. Completely different from Mesh

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 26 Feb 2022 19:43:12 EDT

anon posted :

said by gs0b:

VZ should do a lot of things. But they don't listen to me.

what do you suggest?

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:19:09 EDT

Branch posted : It's only available in limited areas where 2gb service (NGPON2) has rolled out (NYC, I believe). will be available to everyone in a month or two

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 21 Feb 2022 11:34:46 EDT

EricTheDuke3 posted : Has anyone been able to get this router yet?

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 13:41:49 EDT

gs0b posted :

said by NYsubscriber:

Did you ever talk to their engineers?
Don't underestimate how much customers like you can alter the products.

As a customer, I get to talk to support and sales reps. Quality of response vary depending on the issue and the support team, with the executive relations team leading the pack. I'm not aware of anyway for regular customers to talk to their engineers. Is there some publicly available channel for customers to give feedback to their engineers? If so, please publicly share.

My biggest complaints with VZ are their business practices. Their ever increasing rates, changing promotions, changing contract structures and so on. I just unbundled my triple-play with them due to their increasing prices and inability to offer any "loyalty discounts." Maybe I should have called in 12 times to get a rep who would have made me a deal instead of just four, but I am tired of playing their games.

If VZ wants to figure out what customers want in routers, their product marketing managers should be dialed into the consumer router marketplace. I'm sure if one asked the users here what they want, they'd great feedback to combine with other market research. But they need to reach out, not the other way around.

Back on topic, the new router looks interesting. But now that I'm unbundled, I'd likely purchase a non-Verizon router with the capabilities I care about for at a price point that works for me. Others may find it a worthwhile purchase; that's for them to decide.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:28:45 EDT

NYsubscriber posted :

said by gs0b:

But they don't listen to me.

Did you ever talk to their engineers?
Don't underestimate how much customers like you can alter the products.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:26:07 EDT

NYsubscriber posted :

said by gs0b:

The other type of "extender" are devices like the Verizon extender series (E3200 being the latest model.) These are really access points with wired or wireless backhaul to the router.

Correct. The only problem I have with the Anon user is that the user is not familiar with the VZ products. The Anon first mistakes E3200 as a conventional router-combo sold by a typical ISP. After pointing out that the E3200 is not a router, the Anon probably only did some Googling to find out the E3200 is called a Fios Extender. Mistaking E3200 for a conventional wireless extender merely based on the name further suggests the user is not familiar with the VZ products.

The final point is, without having an adequate understanding of VZ lines of products, how could the Anon hastily generalize that VZ is just like other ISPs providing inconvenient and unwieldy products not suitable for the home networking enthusiasts. This is an example of hasty generalization rhetoric fallacy.

Constructive criticisms on my logic are more than welcome.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:13:16 EDT

gs0b posted : VZ should do a lot of things. But they don't listen to me.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:03:56 EDT

Foxbat121 posted : VZ should just rename its extenders as VZ Mesh or something like that to avoid the confusion and backlash from those who reject the word 'extender'.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 10:54:28 EDT

gs0b posted :

said by Anon068f5 :

I personally would never bother with Wifi extenders.

I think there might be some confusion here, as the word "extender" can be used to describe different technologies in the WiFi space.

A basic "extender" is simply a repeater. The often are cheap, and just plug into an AC outlet. I agree with the anonymous poster that these types of extenders are almost worthless and can degrade WiFi performance for all users due to their half-duplex behavior. These devices have been around for years, even decades.

The other type of "extender" are devices like the Verizon extender series (E3200 being the latest model.) These are really access points with wired or wireless backhaul to the router. The ones that support WiFi backhaul have a separate radio for said backhaul; thus eliminating the half-duplex problem of cheap extenders. They fully integrate with Verizon routers, which means the user doesn't have to do any setup or management. They are plug-n-play and typically improve WiFi performance for all users.

The confusion here is Verizon stuck the name "extender" on these device to market them to non-technical users. Verizon isn't unique here, as the various mesh network vendors sometimes use the "extender" word to describe the non-primary nodes.

My issue with the Verizon extenders is cost. I've been able to purchase a three node mesh network system for less than the cost of one Verizon extender. Part of that is because the system I purchased isn't WiFi-6, but it meets my needs just fine. If I wanted WiFi-6 or the ease of integration with my Verizon router, I might have considered the Verizon extender.

But aside from cost, they are solid devices.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Mon, 31 Jan 2022 10:32:56 EDT

xrobertcmx posted : Verizon sent me a router recently despite my asking them not to. It's not bad, set it up for wifi, but left the gateway plugged into my edge router.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 21:56:42 EDT

NYsubscriber posted : The existence of one exception would disprove your sweeping arguments.

You won't bother with extenders. Ok, so you'd like to use combos in place of access points?

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 21:45:44 EDT

anon posted :

said by NYsubscriber:

You are definitely not familiar with VZ lines of products. E3200 is not a router in the first place.

How irrelevant. I'm talking in general terms not Verizon equipment. I personally would never bother with Wifi extenders.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 21:32:24 EDT

NYsubscriber posted : You are definitely not familiar with VZ lines of products. E3200 is not a router in the first place.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 21:31:10 EDT

anon posted :

said by NYsubscriber:

E3200 with 2: 4 x 4 MIMO WiFi 6 is quite high-end in the consumer market with regard to the price.

There is more to Wifi than just the specs. Being able to decouple router and Wifi allows for greater flexibility and placement.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 21:28:27 EDT

NYsubscriber posted :

said by Anon068f5 :

There is about a 1% chance of that happening.

We will see, Anon068f5.

said by Anon068f5 :

In the sense of better Wifi

E3200 with 2: 4 x 4 MIMO WiFi 6 is quite high-end in the consumer market with regard to the price.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:27:19 EDT

anon posted :

said by Darthgamer64:

Better have VLANS at that price of $400 if we’re forced to rent or buy still

There is about a 1% chance of that happening. CPE outside of the Enterprise space never supports more advanced features like that; in the Enterprise space you never have any access to CPE. That should not be the case in this day and age, but it is what it is. In the residential and SMB space ISPs don't want to deal with these complexities and don't want customers breaking things and then having to "support" it. Why do you think customers having their own equipment has seen such a big uptick in the last number of years? In the sense of better Wifi, greater flexibility, more advanced feature set, etc. etc.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:00:42 EDT

transit54 posted : Manual doesn't say anything about VLANS unfortunately.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 15:24:08 EDT

Darthgamer64 posted : That’s a relief the 2 other Ethernet ports are 2.5G. So a port for the NAS and another for the far away switch. Looks like they might announce something Monday.

Kinda worried about the cost tho, I hope it’s included in the 2gig plan. Better have VLANS at that price of $400 if we’re forced to rent or buy still

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 13:18:56 EDT

NYsubscriber posted : Check this out regarding CR1000A tech specs, extenders, availability, and more
»forums.verizon.com/t5/Fi ··· p/915845

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:49:40 EDT

mets18 posted : Thanks for the link. It looks like this router will finally allow you to disable SIP ALG which will make it play nice with third party VOIP services.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:37:18 EDT

gs0b posted : Verizon has released docs and created a user landing page for the CR1000A

»www.verizon.com/support/ ··· cr1000a/

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:51:44 EDT

whfsdude posted : From the Calix earnings call:

said by mckenna797:

Large customers represented 8% of Calix's revenue, down from 10% a year ago "primarily due to lower shipments to Verizon," said Russo.

»www.lightreading.com/ser ··· d/774900

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:24:08 EDT

anon posted :

said by whfsdude:

I wonder if Verizon is using NG-PON2 for their mmWave sites in DC. There must be 100+ street light mmWave sites on Capitol Hill spanning at least two central offices.

They've been talking about using NG-PON2 for 5G delivery for ages. This is exactly the kind of application where it makes sense as they can use an NG-PON2 SFP+ in their wireless equipment.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:58:00 EDT

Darthgamer64 posted : Not to deter the conversation but if they’re using this router for 5G home, it won’t have built in 5G antennas. Are they planning on including a separate modem or something?

I’m honestly advocating for that. The older 4G Home service (that was data capped) had an external antenna that an installer drilled outside the home like a satellite dish. The new 5G was an all in one indoor gateway dependent on a clear path that windows & walls obstruct so I’m dumbfounded that they never gave the option to hook up a 5G roof mounted antenna. But then again, it also goes against their “home internet install with no truck roll required”. Is it an option for those who want 5G professionally installed with an outdoor antenna or are they not sure what they’re doing?

Re: new router coming in 2022

Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:45:50 EDT

andrewLeddy posted : Yes, the NGPON2 roll out for wireless beyound the Fios markets has been going for a couple of years. NYC mmwave was the first in fios deployment of NGPON2. There are still to many differences to have a Fios and wireless NGPON2 deployed for common usage. Wait 5 years and you will see this in the network.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:10:23 EDT

buckingham posted : 300/300 is the lowest band available here...my daughter just signed up today for her new apartment that she and her SO are moving into first of the month coming.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 16:15:37 EDT

seaquake posted : Still happy with my 200/200. Hopefully this will eventually get them to drop the lower speeds and make something like 500/500 the low end for the same price as 200/200 :)

I can't imagine what I could even do with 1Gbps much less twice that. But I'm sure some folks will benefit from it.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 15:29:57 EDT

whfsdude posted :

said by transit54:

Thanks!! I wonder how long it will take for NG-PON2 to make it to my CO. I’d guess a few months at minimum. I’ll keep an eye out for the router though - it’s great to have at least an approximate idea of when VZ is thinking of launching it.

I wonder if Verizon is using NG-PON2 for their mmWave sites in DC. There must be 100+ street light mmWave sites on Capitol Hill spanning at least two central offices.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 15:11:46 EDT

transit54 posted : Thanks!! I wonder how long it will take for NG-PON2 to make it to my CO. I’d guess a few months at minimum. I’ll keep an eye out for the router though - it’s great to have at least an approximate idea of when VZ is thinking of launching it.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:07:46 EDT

InternetBat posted : »www.reddit.com/r/Fios/co ··· ultigig/

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:03:08 EDT

transit54 posted :

said by Darthgamer64:

Someone leaked it on the Reddit post

Is that the one that got taken down that had the launch details for NG-PON2 as well?

Curious if there was a release date shared. I’ve got my 10/5/2.5 switches ready to go.

I’m also getting a 100/100 small business line installed on Monday but assume that they’ll be bringing out a G3100.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:14:06 EDT

Darthgamer64 posted : Someone leaked it on the Reddit post

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:09:59 EDT

Foxbat121 posted : $399 will be a bargain. You have to pay a premium whenever you want to go beyond 1Gbe speed these days. WiFi is not where it shines.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 08:29:02 EDT

transit54 posted :

said by Darthgamer64:

they just keep raising the prices of these routers man, $399? the wifi6 went for $299 and the G1100 went for $199. theyre really pushing that 10gb port cost onto the customer.

Has the price for the C1000A been published somewhere? When this comes out it is going to be one of the only consumer routers with a 10G port on the market. I think that pricing is in line with what else is being sold. That's solidly cheaper than a Orbi 6E base or the Nighthawk RAXE500 and those doesn't come with a 10G connection or the ability to support MoCA. To me that's probably one of the most competitive prices on the market for the specs they are offering.

I wonder if they will keep the rental costs to $15/month.

The switches are definitely not cheap. I need PoE switches for a few applications and those are $$$ supporting >1 gbps speeds.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 23:30:58 EDT

NYsubscriber posted : G1100 sold for $149 before the G3100 came out.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 23:21:33 EDT

Darthgamer64 posted : they just keep raising the prices of these routers man, $399? the wifi6 went for $299 and the G1100 went for $199. theyre really pushing that 10gb port cost onto the customer.

& no video, watch, they probably axed RFoG since NGPON2 being shared with enterprise now

I'm happing with the pricing of $120/month, what I expected. but these switches man, I'm seeing them go for $200 on Amazon

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:59:30 EDT

Foxbat121 posted : Chip shortage hits everywhere. I have my NetGear managed layer 3 switch that has 4 gigabit ports, 2 2.5Gbe ports, 2 5/2.5 Gbe ports, 1 10/5/2.5 Gbe port and 1 SFP+ port for $260. The thing with SFP+ is that you need count in additional cost of SFP+ to RJ45 adapter which runs adds $30 each.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:49:53 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by Darthgamer64:

Ok FIRST OFF!! Love it!!! Love the design, love that it’s not the AIO unit that IPTV once was, love that it’s for both 5G + FiOS = better support for a WIDER Audience (& potentially faster 5G speeds). & love that it’s MOCA. So for homes on 5G, they can also just use the existing home coax lines to add extenders. This is why I HATE absolutely HATE Mesh wifi, a more reliable, consistent wifi backhaul.

But hang on, 2x 2.5Gb Ethernet LAN and one 10Gb Ethernet LAN. Is this not CRAZY expensive for something that’ll be mass produced? What’s the rental cost gonna be?? I just bought a motherboard that only has 2.5Gb Ethernet (Ryzen 5950x). You can’t even buy a 10Gb copper Ethernet switch without spending an arm & a leg. There’s barely even any 2.5Gb switches as it is….

Also, they should add some kind of ability to have backup 4GLTE backup internet. I know that’s wishful thinking but I heard of a few UK ISPs that offer backup LTE Internet as an option, it comes in handy for those who wanna work from home that are Executives & can’t afford downtime. Like why no USB ports for the flexibility??

I have several 10GbE switches at home. Although all the ports aren't 10GbE. My most recent one was a Zyxel managed 12 port switch. With three 10GbE ports, one SFP+ port, and eight gigabit ports. That only cost me $220.

My previous Zyxel 10GbE switch was $150. But that was unmanaged with only two SFP+ ports for 10GbE, two 2.5GbE ports, and eight gigabit ports. And for $150 I got a Netgear 10GbE unmanaged switch. With two 10GbE ports and eight gigabit ports.

And then my QNAP 10GbE cards in my PCs only cost $85 to $90 each, when I got them in 2020.

EDIT: I see those QNAP 10GbE cards have gone up in price. They are now $109 at Amazon.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:44:53 EDT

NYsubscriber posted : Of course not. Once a standard is consolidated, there's a timeframe for controller vendor development, then device manufacturer development, leading time, and etc...

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:41:32 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by InternetBat:

»fccid.io/NKR-LVSK-R2

»fccid.io/NKR-LVSK-R2/Use ··· #page=11

It has everything.

Does it have WiFI 7? :)
I just saw that WiFi 7 is launching in 2023. With speeds up to 40Gbps. 2.5 times that of WiFi 6E.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:35:21 EDT

transit54 posted : Only thing I have seen was this post a few weeks ago which claims a late Feb deployment of the router in the NY metro area in conjunction with NG-PON2.

»www.reddit.com/r/Fios/co ··· e=iossmf

I’m not sure whether the router is specifically going to be tied to faster speeds available through NG-PON2 or will be available ahead of that. But that’s the only update I’ve seen.

I would definitely wait for this router unless you are only subscribing to 300/300, in which case you probably won’t see a performance difference.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:12:54 EDT

EricTheDuke3 posted : Has anyone heard any new information about this router? I'm thinking of upgrading my current quantum router and I'm trying to decide if I should wait for this one.

Re: new router coming in 2022

Tue, 04 Jan 2022 21:22:39 EDT

jmcging posted : I'd argue that someone has to recognize that 1Gb is a floor not a ceiling and roll out at least 2.5 if not 5 or 10 Gbs. If you wanna push faster home wired setups, you need this kind of equipment and glad someone is looking like doing so. But then again, I have MikroTik 10Gbs switch and couple 2.5 in house. Even if the internet is 1 Gb, making everything inside faster has value.