Topic 'Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 21 Dec 2021 13:37:32 EDT

avernar posted : I know. I was just pointing out you were taking what I wrote out of context.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 21 Dec 2021 09:49:29 EDT

JustJoe posted : Cool your jets bro. I wasn't picking a fight.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 21 Dec 2021 09:40:19 EDT

avernar posted :

said by JustJoe:

Not every application needs a full Gb network when it's simply doc processing- these are mostly dumb terminals anyway.

Did you not read what you originally quoted in my post? I said "If you don’t have gigabit LAN at the office for the people that need it"

We were talking about power users doing Autodesk through Citrix. I asked if they're doing it through a fast LAN connection at the office or through a slow internet connection from home.

I really don't care about 10/100Mbps connections to the plant or doc processing terminals/machines. Irrelevant to what we're discussing which is power users needing a fast work from home internet connection.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 21 Dec 2021 08:04:52 EDT

JustJoe posted :

said by avernar:

A company that won't let their IT department upgrade their 10/100Mbps switches is not one I'd want to work for.

You'd be shocked- but at the end of the day, I don't give a damn. I get paid whether I get what "I" want or not. I'm not losing sleep over another company's IT expenditures.

The switches are Gb...however the runs to the plant machines are typically old. These are guys that wouldn't know nor care that their processing machines are on a Gb network. If old and slow(er) is doing the job just fine, why rip it out? Any new installs obviously are Gb.

Not every application needs a full Gb network when it's simply doc processing- these are mostly dumb terminals anyway.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:00:50 EDT

thenewdc posted : Your system is only as fast as the weakest link which is usually the Computer itself.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sun, 19 Dec 2021 09:22:59 EDT

mlord posted : For me, the real tell-tale is to answer this question:

Do things take less time when everything is local to one's computer, vs. on servers on a company LAN or WAN?

If the answer is no, then a faster internet connection is needed.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 17:03:48 EDT

taraf posted :

said by Artwebb1986:

Why can't there be a fast lan connection at home and slow connection at the office?

No technical reason, but it does suggest your employers don't know what they're doing. The Ethernet at my office is gigabit, and has been for over a decade. If they're still using 100mbit, it's an indication that they're trying to save money in the wrong places.

But that out of the way, you'd be surprised how much bandwidth you actually need for things like videoconferencing/etc -- case in point, my work VPN actually caps out at 10mbit/s. Kind of annoying if I'm downloading or uploading files to a network drive, but for literally everything else I ever do in my day to day job, I never notice the difference. And that includes video conferencing, presenting on WebEx & Adobe Connect, and streaming HD video content.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:29:02 EDT

avernar posted :

said by JustJoe:

Except for when the company's IT Department begs for funding for such and doesn't get it...

LOL. A company that won't let their IT department upgrade their 10/100Mbps switches is not one I'd want to work for. They'd probably give me Pentium laptop with Windows 95 on it. :D

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:08:46 EDT

JustJoe posted :

said by avernar:

your company’s IT department sucks.

Except for when the company's IT Department begs for funding for such and doesn't get it...

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:49:06 EDT

avernar posted :

said by Artwebb1986:

Why can't there be a fast lan connection at home and slow connection at the office?

A fast LAN connection at home to the company servers would need a fast internet connection. That would go against their argument that you don’t need a fast internet connection.

If you don’t have gigabit LAN at the office for the people that need it your company’s IT department sucks. :p

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:35:46 EDT

Artwebb1986 posted : Why can't there be a fast lan connection at home and slow connection at the office?

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:19:21 EDT

avernar posted : Over a slow connection at home or on a fast LAN at the office?

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:35:00 EDT

JustJoe posted :

said by avernar:

You're not going to do CAD work through citrix. Same with Radiology.

We do...AutoDesk and Citrix are partners and have been for a while. If it's "that bad", then your Admins aren't doing it right.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 14:32:58 EDT

taraf posted : Don't get me wrong here - I'm not anti-fat pipe, it's just been my experience that the majority of people who've convinced themselves they actually need a gigabit Internet connection are deluding themselves.

I definitely would *not* want to be working tech support in this day and age, where you've got people doing a speed test every 5 mins just to make sure they're actually getting a gigabit - especially given the number of computers that don't even have Ethernet in the first place, while getting gigabit on wifi is a pipe dream at best. I do think you should be getting what you're paying for, just that most people probably don't need it as much as they think they do.

EDIT: if you need a good laugh that's tangentially related to the subject... I was recently given a new laptop by work. I have been told in no uncertain terms that I must not under any circumstances connect to the VPN over wireless, for both stability & security. Wanna guess what the laptop doesn't have? They ended up having to fed-ex me a USB-C Ethernet adapter because it wasn't included in the initial ask.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 14:09:38 EDT

avernar posted :

said by taraf:

citrix environment

No. Just no. I'm already hopping though multiple redirections and remote desktops to get my work done. Last thing I need is citrix on top of all that. I need to do my work on my laptop.

Same for the other things I mentioned. You're not going to do CAD work through citrix. Same with Radiology.

Again, I'm not in the vast majority. But the minority is not a small as every anti-fat pipe person here makes it out to be.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:54:45 EDT

thenewdc posted : I'm certainly glad their are other companies willing to jump into the FTTH game since the big boys only cherry pick with it, and leave the rest of us in the dust. Optical cable is now quite a bit cheaper than copper and fairly easy to deploy now with little to no electronics supporting it outside.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:29:52 EDT

taraf posted :

said by avernar:

Not everyone does the same work you do.

Not at all, but that doesn't mean there don't exist more efficient ways to do what they need to do. For example, in today's "we should all be WFH" environment, if you need to manipulate absurdly large files on a regular basis a citrix environment uses significantly less bandwidth because the large files themselves never need to be copied back/forth. If you're working with files that need to be secure, that's actually significantly better because the company has an unbroken ownership chain for the documents in question - something you'd think would be important for a radiologist, don't you think?

The vast majority of us *really* don't need a huge fat pipe at home to work remotely, which is a very good thing since the majority of us (at least in Central Canada) simply can't get gigabit connections.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:57:03 EDT

avernar posted :

said by taraf:

Dude, I don't know what you're doing for work

Downloading and uploading multi gigabyte log archives regularly. Less frequently with VMWare OVAs. When a site is down, not having to wait 2 hours before starting to fix it is priceless.

Other people I know work with huge CAD files. There's also Radiologists that view large file size images. Those Rads work piecewise so the more images they read the more they get paid.

Not everyone does the same work you do. ;)

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:55:18 EDT

Artwebb1986 posted : And the 5gbps package from fiberstream will do that stuff faster. So why not.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:56:16 EDT

taraf posted :

said by avernar:

Yes, because that's exactly what they're doing when working from home.

Dude, I don't know what you're doing for work, but both my wife and I are on VPN all day (I'm frequently doing video conferences all day), we're both streaming music, and I occasionally throw something on youtube or some other streaming service for background noise, and we haven't noticed any issues with the speed of the connection or our ability to get anything done.

We're on 50mbps DSL.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:11:29 EDT

avernar posted :

said by JustJoe:

The average 'home user' wants to watch online video (maybe in 4K), surf the web, and game.

Yes, because that's exactly what they're doing when working from home. :p

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:52:12 EDT

JustJoe posted : That kind of speed is extremely niche, there's a tiny fraction of the customer base that would see any benefit with it.

The average 'home user' wants to watch online video (maybe in 4K), surf the web, and game. 500Mbps will do that very well.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:36:28 EDT

taraf posted :

said by thenewdc:

They've just started in Stouffville.

There's also Metroloop... they've covered parts of Haldimand (including Caledonia - where my in-laws live, so how I know about it). $50/mo for 50/50 FTTH is fairly reasonable, even if it is a subsidiary of xplornet.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:22:20 EDT

JustJoe posted :

said by Anon94d5d :

Now in this day and age it isn't. Just because you don't have a use for something doesn't mean others do not.

Wasn't the point. But whatever.

For 99.5% of their customer base, 2.5Gbps is overkill; you can't even order it without speaking with the owner first.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:20:29 EDT

JustJoe posted : ...for ONE unit. The kit they're renting includes 2.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:51:19 EDT

anon posted :

said by thenewdc:

Personally, I'm interested in a faster Upload. Something like 500/500 would be perfect for my needs. Its been years now that Docsis 3.1 has been available and Rogers has done nothing to increase the Upload even though its possible to go to 100 Mbps with cable.

Of course.

I was the first in my neighborhood to switch to FTTH the day I saw Bell techs wiring up the taps.

The main reasons being.. 1) significantly increased upstream capacity 2) rock solid reliability (unlike the yoyo that cable is) 3) very low latency

It has been 5 years going on 6. 100 Mbps nowadays is a joke. Too little too late. With Rogers they *might* roll out an upgrade to 100 Mbps next year. But at the pace things have been going I wouldn't hold out on it. More likely to see a 5G fixed wireless option sooner.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:50:52 EDT

Artwebb1986 posted : My home network can handle way more speed than that. So just because yours can't that means the speed shouldn't exist?

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 14 Dec 2021 19:24:00 EDT

thenewdc posted : Personally, I'm interested in a faster Upload. Something like 500/500 would be perfect for my needs. Its been years now that Docsis 3.1 has been available and Rogers has done nothing to increase the Upload even though its possible to go to 100 Mbps with cable.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:18:12 EDT

anon posted :

said by thenewdc:

Thing is, can your home network handle that kind of speed. I think most cannot.

1) Top of the line products are never meant for most. That should be common sense.
2) If this was 5 years ago I'd agree but for anyone wanting this service it's no big deal to acquire such hardware inexpensively and there will be a lot more coming out of the coming years as these speed tiers become common.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:36:22 EDT

avernar posted :

said by thenewdc:

Thing is, can your home network handle that kind of speed. I think most cannot.

The entire network doesn't have to handle that kind of speed. You can upgrade the links/devices as needed. Same like we did when 1Gbps network gear became available.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:32:33 EDT

thenewdc posted : Thing is, can your home network handle that kind of speed. I think most cannot.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:15:25 EDT

anon posted :

said by JustJoe:

Although they offer 2.5Gb service, I think it's overkill. By a long shot.

Now in this day and age it isn't. Just because you don't have a use for something doesn't mean others do not.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 07 Dec 2021 11:47:43 EDT

mozerd posted : The price is dependent on how many satalights one needs ... the $300 price tag is for one unit ... most 2 story dwellings would need 2 units [1master + 1 slave].

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 07 Dec 2021 10:58:24 EDT

mlord posted : Eero Pro6 router CAD$300, not $600 (was cheaper on sale a week ago though): »www.amazon.ca/Eero-Pro-6 ··· 66YGQ5D/

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Tue, 07 Dec 2021 08:20:02 EDT

JustJoe posted : I haven't looked into the TV services that deeply. I know they're switching providers next year so it will likely mean a new app, and no further updates to what they're using now. Also missing is their integration with the various "Go" apps (you can't sign into History TV with your TelMAX credentials). The Rewind/Pause feature does work- but I just have no need for PVR so haven't looked into that.

If you really the PVR feature, I'd suggest holding off until their TV service is switched to the new provider; however I have not heard about a timeline for this.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:59:37 EDT

thenewdc posted : Question: Do they offer a cloud PVR service as well as program Rewind? I would only be interested in a very basic Tv package with a few add ons like The Golf Channel.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:55:48 EDT

thenewdc posted : Ok. I figured as much. They can do this very quickly too with the technology they have today.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:48:47 EDT

JustJoe posted : It's not arial. They tunneled through the neighborhood. There are no poles here; all subterranean.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:47:29 EDT

JustJoe posted : It's not ariel. It's all tunnels. There are no hydro poles here.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sun, 05 Dec 2021 18:05:11 EDT

thenewdc posted : If the Fibre plant they depolyed in Brooklin is Aerial, they likely used Hydro poles and not Bell owned poles. If its buried then they received Municipal approval to do so in the Boulevard. They've staked out my whole neigbourhood with service locates because they are deploying Buried Fibre to the Home. Bell or Rogers doesn't give a crap about anything outside Toronto, so kudos to Telmax for getting in the game with their own infrastructure.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sun, 05 Dec 2021 10:05:22 EDT

En Enfer posted : I'm interested to know how TelMax got authorization by Bell to use the poles to deploy fiber in that area.
They must have hit a 3-years stalling period and a loaded amount of roadblocks and abusive terms and conditions.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sat, 04 Dec 2021 21:10:45 EDT

thenewdc posted : They've just started in Stouffville.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sat, 04 Dec 2021 19:12:18 EDT

JustJoe posted :

said by thenewdc:

they are in the Eastern end of York Region

They've only rolled out fibre to Brooklin, but I think they have plans for other areas too. Everywhere else will be cable and/or DSL.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Sat, 04 Dec 2021 11:35:28 EDT

thenewdc posted : Looking at their pricing their 500Mb symmetrical package is $25 cheaper than Rogers. That's quite a bit. Yes the 2.5Gb is overkill, more for someone with a business I think. I could never utilize it and my computers are too slow for it as well. Looking at their reviews, they are decent. Most say the customer service is pretty good, and no contracts. They are not just in Durham, they are in the Eastern end of York Region . They setup an office here. I think they will be wiring up the whole town, since Bell and Rogers have no interest in offering Fibre to the Home here. I also noticed they use another provider for their Tv Service called ATOP?? Never heard of them. I guess its cheaper than setting up a headend. Basic Tv service is $30 for about 60 channels, which gives you Canadian East and West Broadcast networks, and U.S. East and West Networks, CNN, CP24, BBC World, a few specialty channels, etc.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Fri, 03 Dec 2021 22:32:21 EDT

JustJoe posted : I just got hooked up a few weeks ago.

It's been solid...no issues at all. I also have the IPTV package, been great...no buffering. I'm using it with the Android app on Google TV.

Overall, very happy. Service is consistent, low ping etc. Although they offer 2.5Gb service, I think it's overkill. By a long shot. They wired me up and provided the ONT. I've yet to see any outages. I have the Gig service. My neighbor has the 500Mb. It's only on wired devices that you notice a difference. In most cases 500 is more than enough.

For wireless, they are offering Eero Pro 6's for $5 a month rental. Its under your complete control. Considering this is a $600 system, can't go wrong with renting it for $5 a month; it's brand new out of the box.

Re: [Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:44:18 EDT

mozerd posted : Looks like TeMax is a small startup that dedicated to Durham

»telmax.com/aboutus

Pricing is in line with others ….
»telmax.com/

[Internet] Rogers has some Competition coming called TelMax

Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:59:38 EDT

thenewdc posted : Is anyone familiar with Telmax. They have setup shop in my neighborhood and are running Fibre Direct to the Home on my street in the Durham Ontario Area. They claim their top speed is 2.5Gig Up/Down, fully symmetrical and can go up to 10Gig for Business. They also offer Tv and Home Phone, and their services are quite a bit cheaper than Rogers. Does anyone have them that can offer some input. They seem to have good reviews as well.