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Re: #bellletstalkIf Bell actually cared they'd be doing this without using their name as branding. This is just advertising pretending to be charity. |
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said by balur:If Bell actually cared they'd be doing this without using their name as branding. This is just advertising pretending to be charity. That's what I've been saying every year. Rogers, Cogeco, Shaw, Telus and Videotron, or any company (Staples, McDo, some insurance company...) could join in with supporting the same cause. But it's locked to Bhell, as in, praise Bhell for the effort, use Bell services (SMS, long-distance calls, etc.) to "generate" some money for the cause. "Retweet" a hashtag with the "Bell" word in it somehow counts too. Yep, do the advertisement legwork for Bhell, gullible people! The truth is, every major company has to donate some money to charity during tax season.It doesn't matter how many LD calls you made or how many SMS you sent, regardless if you pay for an unlimited package. It's only gonna make you feel good about yourself you "made an effort". And you don't even get a receipt for your taxes report. Every major canadian company will donate to a charity of their choice at the amount suggested by their accountants. The difference here is Bell doing it loudly as a marketing ploy to improve their public perception as greedy... ... and they own that damn charity! |
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taraf
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2022-Jan-28 8:29 am
said by En Enfer:That's what I've been saying every year. Rogers, Cogeco, Shaw, Telus and Videotron, or any company (Staples, McDo, some insurance company...) could join in with supporting the same cause. It wouldn't take much on social media to change the hashtag to #LetsTalk - those companies would just have to actually do it, and also be willing to put money up. If half a dozen companies pledged $0.05 per #LetsTalk against Bell's promise for #BellLetsTalk, then the former would obliterate the latter in short order. Folks complain about Bell. And there's some good reasons to do that, and some not so good reasons to do that. And folks have a right to be skeptical or jaded about it - we've all seen some of the stories about how they've treated their employees in the past. But it's still millions of dollars going to mental health initiatives that wouldn't otherwise be going to mental health initiatives. I'm not personally a fan of everything CAMH does, but they aren't the only recipient of the money and most of the charities & organizations that get funding through the campaign do a lot of very good and very important work. And the fact is, we as a society do talk about mental health differently today than we did 10 years ago - I can't say for sure whether Bell's campaign has anything to do with that, but *something* has changed. Love Bell. Hate them. That's on you. But every year there's threads here, on social media, etc. about how awful Bell is, and every year people opine about how it'd be great if folks just donated money straight to mental health. But every year, nobody seems to be thinking about the issue, and it certainly doesn't get a lot of press, outside of the end of January. |
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When the pandemic started, march 2020, how did Bell's Mental Health initiative reached out to the public? *crickets* We only heard about it, let's see... january 2021, in the form of advertisement spots a few days before the Let's Talk Day.
There were no Bell-Let's-Talk sponsored TV ads during the summer or fall season with ressource phone numbers. Nope. The "cause" ad-campaign became important only in january.
That's Bell. |
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taraf
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2022-Jan-28 11:23 am
said by En Enfer:There were no Bell-Let's-Talk sponsored TV ads during the summer or fall season with ressource phone numbers. Nope. The "cause" ad-campaign became important only in january. Fair, but doesn't answer the point I was making. If you believe their numbers, it's over $100 million that's been spent on mental health initiatives over the last 10 years that wouldn't otherwise have been spent. Could they do better? Yeah. I think every single one of us could do better. But are they doing more than nothing? Also yeah. Which is a damned sight more than most of the people clutching at pearls for no reason other than it's Bell are doing. Sure, it comes along with some marketing, but do you seriously believe anybody's actually going to look at the options and think "I'm gonna go with Bell instead of Rogers, because Bell really cares" when they're shopping for a cell phone or Internet plan? |
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2022-Jan-28 11:43 am
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that Bell alright.
where fund goes for 2022:
Assiniboine Community College – Implementation Grant
Black Youth Success
Canadian Red Cross
Cégep de Sherbrooke – Implementation Grant
Centennial College, George Brown College, Humber College, Seneca College and Sheridan College (GTA) – Implementation Grant
CERVO Foundation
École de technologie supérieure – Implementation Grant
Healthy Start, Healthy Future
Kitikmeot Heritage Society
L’Hybridé
Lakehead University – Implementation Grant
McMaster University – Implementation Grant
Nisa Foundation
Strongest Families Institute
The University of Calgary – Implementation Grant
Université de Montréal – Implementation Grant
Université de Sherbrooke – Implementation Grant
Université du Québec à Chicoutimi – Implementation Grant
University of New Brunswick – Implementation Grant
University of Waterloo – Implementation Grant
Wolf Lake First Nation
as of today:
129,588,747.75
committed
to mental health initiatives
All that is on their website on who they help.
You can't deny they didn't help.
Yes tax break but any company get tax break. You, me, anyone who donate.
Still. that amount is spend to different group/organization. |
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2022-Jan-28 1:49 pm
I agree with Taraf, #Hashtag #Let's Talk should be a non-partasan cause shared by all telecoms in Canada not just the one that Ring's a bell.
While I never posted anything about the Let's Talk cause I have went thru mental health issues myself in the past and it is a real issue that people need to talk about. So yes there is some good to this cause. |
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Anon
2022-Jan-28 7:31 pm
Nothing wrong to have the company name added in hashtag. They are the one doing it.
If people ego get offended by using bell in it, then they are just selfish people that only care about thereself |
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2022-Jan-30 10:27 am
said by Anonc75e6 :Nothing wrong to have the company name added in hashtag. They are the one doing it.
If people ego get offended by using bell in it, then they are just selfish people that only care about thereself If Bell actually cared, they would improve working conditions for their employees; not lay off people after receiving $122 mil in Covid relief; offer lower cost tiers for those on who are disabled/low income like Rogers "Connected for Success"; not try to increase pricing on Internet during a pandemic and finally, offer donation matching rather than ask us to SUBSIDIZE their generosity. Bell's monopoly and high cost for even shoddy basic cell service alone is a source of a lot of mental illness. Hard pass. I'll donate directly to the causes I believe in rather than support the company you are shilling for. |
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said by Anonc75e6 :Nothing wrong to have the company name added in hashtag. They are the one doing it.
If people ego get offended by using bell in it, then they are just selfish people that only care about thereself Again, when my kid is asked to dress in Bell colours, that's too much commercialism. |
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said by balur:If Bell actually cared they'd be doing this without using their name as branding. This is just advertising pretending to be charity. It gets better. Loblaws, Walmart, all the big food chains use their checkouts to solicit "donations" from people paying for their purchases. The money they collect is not "taxable income" as set out by the CRA, so it's not declared as such. But when they actually donate the money, they get full tax credit for the full amount. As if the donations came from them instead of all their customers. Also, they are permitted to deduct from those monies any amount they choose to attribute to the cost of administration. So it's well beyond "advertising pretending to be charity". It's corporate welfare at its worst, with millions in taxes being circumvented with this little loophole. The only redeeming quality is that at least some portion of monies collected probably finds its way into the hands of those that need it - though I've never seen any proof that that actually happens. I donate to the United Way directly, annually, and say no to the [way too] many requests for donations I get every day. |
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said by dmd:The money they collect is not "taxable income" as set out by the CRA, so it's not declared as such.
But when they actually donate the money, they get full tax credit for the full amount. As if the donations came from them instead of all their customers. Actually, they don't get full tax credit - only credit if they do matching funds, and only for the portion they match. » www.thestar.com/life/201 ··· ity.htmlIn the case of Lets Talk Day, Bell IS the donor, so they get the deduction. |
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taraf
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2022-Jan-31 5:35 pm
said by HeadSpinning:Actually, they don't get full tax credit - only credit if they do matching funds, and only for the portion they match. Correct. I think the bigger issue on that front is that if you give $1-2 every time you go to the grocery store, that can add up to a lot of money over the course of a year, without you even noticing. I think that's literally the point, but if we're on the subject of tax deductions, it's money you can't claim because you don't get a tax receipt. You're better off deciding how much you can afford to give and sending that money directly to a charity of your choice. But as I've said on this thread already - that's something a whole lot of people just don't do, either because they can't afford to (which is valid) or because they just don't think of it (which is less valid if they're here complaining about companies donating) |
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said by taraf:it comes along with some marketing, but do you seriously believe anybody's actually going to look at the options and think "I'm gonna go with Bell instead of Rogers, because Bell really cares" when they're shopping for a cell phone or Internet plan? *I* would IF a company did it without marketing attached. |
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said by HeadSpinning:Actually, they don't get full tax credit - only credit if they do matching funds, and only for the portion they match.
»www.thestar.com/life/201 ··· ity.html
In the case of Lets Talk Day, Bell IS the donor, so they get the deduction. I stand corrected, thanks. Sort of makes it a little less unpalatable... but not much. |
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