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Re: Canada Transport minister concerned about trucker convoyWhy would you trust mainstream news to tell you the convoy is about racism?
Even if people are behaving poorly at the rally, do you really think white people you went to high school with that called each other n* and f*g and similar words every day, were racist or just trying to impress their friends and be ignorant?
Do you really think that the 5% of people who behave they are still in highschool, represent people that are making real decisions in our society, like hiring, and perpetrate "systemic racism"?
Or is it the people sitting at home on zoom, who actually have power and privilege to discriminate against others, that we should be worried about? |
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There was one guy there with a Nazi flag who didn't get kicked out for at least 3 minutes, so obviously it's all about racism. |
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gbwalsh
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to Cloneman
Yeah nothing like biased media. PBS? Can't swing any further.
If you want to include that and paint people with a broad brush, was the same done at the hundreds of BLM riots over the last couple years. Don't think you did. And that also wouldn't be fair painting them all the same.
Might as well post a link to the Fox news piece on our "fearless "leaders disappearance, which is also on CNN. There was also a long piece about all the racists costumes over the past 20 years. |
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said by Cloneman:Why would you trust mainstream news to tell you the convoy is about racism?
Even if people are behaving poorly at the rally, do you really think white people you went to high school with that called each other n* and f*g and similar words every day, were racist or just trying to impress their friends and be ignorant?
Do you really think that the 5% of people who behave they are still in highschool, represent people that are making real decisions in our society, like hiring, and perpetrate "systemic racism"?
Or is it the people sitting at home on zoom, who actually have power and privilege to discriminate against others, that we should be worried about? The fact that you use the phrase "Why would you trust mainstream news" tells me your orientation. And yes, people who fly the US Confederate Battle flag in Canada, or use Nazi symbols, are indeed people to be worried about. ----- Notice, I did not dismiss your arguments. Rather, it is some of the supporters who weaken their own cause. And as I said earlier, as someone who has had a homeless person in their family, I have no patience for some of what went on in Ottawa. It is shameful, and not defensible. |
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 El QuintronFully Magnetized
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said by PX Eliezer:The fact that you use the phrase "Why would you trust mainstream news" tells me your orientation. There's a good cross-section of media outlets in your post. One would have to engage in some serious mental gymnastics in order to discredit all of them simultaneously because it doesn't line up their preconceived notions. I'm currently watching "On Becoming a God in Central Florida" and the disconnect reminds of Alexander Skarsgård's character, who's certain he'll be validated at any moment, up until his untimely death. |
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It's usually the sort of thing that might go without saying, but somehow I'm feeling the need to point out that technically it isn't necessary to "discredit" an entire media organization in order to disagree with something it said. |
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NCRGuy
join:2008-03-03
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to Cloneman
said by Cloneman:Why would you trust mainstream news to tell you the convoy is about racism? I don’t need the mainstream media to tell me the convoy is about racism. I live here. I e seen it with my own eyes. I’ve seen the Nazi and confederate flags. I’ve seen Canadian flags scrawled with swastikas. I’ve seen the harassment of people walking in the neighborhood they live in for wearing a mask, being BIPOC or being perceived as gay. Instead of challenging these people and driving them out, those participating in and supporting the convoy minimize the numbers and pretend they don’t exist. When nine people sit down at a table with a Nazi without protest, there are ten Nazis at the table. |
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dks01
join:2016-12-29
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to Cloneman
said by Cloneman:Why would you trust mainstream news to tell you the convoy is about racism? You are asking to prove the unproveable. Logical nonsense. Next! |
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said by NCRGuy:said by Cloneman:Why would you trust mainstream news to tell you the convoy is about racism? I don’t need the mainstream media to tell me the convoy is about racism. I live here. I e seen it with my own eyes. I’ve seen the Nazi and confederate flags. I’ve seen Canadian flags scrawled with swastikas. I’ve seen the harassment of people walking in the neighborhood they live in for wearing a mask, being BIPOC or being perceived as gay. Instead of challenging these people and driving them out, those participating in and supporting the convoy minimize the numbers and pretend they don’t exist. When nine people sit down at a table with a Nazi without protest, there are ten Nazis at the table. Good point: how do the protesters deal with the malcontents that are part of these protests? |
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 StyvasWho are we? Forge FC!
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Styvas
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2022-Feb-2 4:45 pm
At the very least, denounce them. Have the organizers done so? Perhaps they have, but I’ve not read any reporting on that. |
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 EUSKill cancer
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to AppleGuy
It's not their place to do so. They're not judges, or police. |
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taraf
join:2011-05-07
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to AppleGuy
said by AppleGuy:Good point: how do the protesters deal with the malcontents that are part of these protests? Can't speak to the Flu Trucks Klan, but can say that at more left-leaning protests they always start with a briefing where they describe the day's plan & itinerary and ask people to remain peaceful, non-violent, and to stick to the plan. And when the assholes do show up and try to mess it all up, they immediately and without hesitation denounce it, and they cooperate with law enforcement to identify & prosecute when we're talking about criminal matters. To date, none of that seems to be happening with the truck convoy. |
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said by Styvas:At the very least, denounce them. Have the organizers done so? Perhaps they have, but I’ve not read any reporting on that. You know what? I haven't heard much of anything from them, it's like they have no leader and are just in Ottawa protesting, Canada style. That could be the fault of the media that is concentrating on Nazi flags and the 90% of truckers that are saying 'just get the damned vaccine'. |
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there's assoles everywhere. are you really cocerned that these people are going to turn Canada into a Nazi and/or homophobe state?
why should we shut down the whole covoy? arrest these people individually. |
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AppleGuy
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said by taraf:said by AppleGuy:Good point: how do the protesters deal with the malcontents that are part of these protests? Can't speak to the Flu Trucks Klan, but can say that at more left-leaning protests they always start with a briefing where they describe the day's plan & itinerary and ask people to remain peaceful, non-violent, and to stick to the plan. And when the assholes do show up and try to mess it all up, they immediately and without hesitation denounce it, and they cooperate with law enforcement to identify & prosecute when we're talking about criminal matters. To date, none of that seems to be happening with the truck convoy. I seem to recall when BLM was burning shit up not much was said other than "they want to be heard" -- that was CNN reporting. And the burning and looting was done in parts of town that were mainly owned by minorities, mostly blacks. I'm not even sure that Antifa has a spokesperson, they're just a cause and nothing more. Again, though, it doesn't appear that this Ottawa protest has a leader or spokesperson -- at least nothing that media is reporting. All I see is nazi flags, blaring horns, etc. As I had mentioned in my other posts, some of my social contacts had been uploading videos of the protests, but none of the stuff that media had shown was in their uploads. |
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taraf
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2022-Feb-2 5:10 pm
said by AppleGuy:I seem to recall when BLM was burning shit up not much was said other than "they want to be heard" - "Riots are the language of the unheard" - Martin Luther King, Jr. Fitting quote, considering it's Black History Month. But that's not the same as failing to condemn violence - it's merely an explanation for why the violence is happening. I recall people saying that too - in fact I said it, and I stand by saying it. But I also recall a lot of people, myself included, condemning violence in the same breath. |
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AppleGuy
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AppleGuy
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2022-Feb-2 5:17 pm
said by taraf:said by AppleGuy:I seem to recall when BLM was burning shit up not much was said other than "they want to be heard" - "Riots are the language of the unheard" - Martin Luther King, Jr. Fitting quote, considering it's Black History Month. But that's not the same as failing to condemn violence - it's merely an explanation for why the violence is happening. I recall people saying that too - in fact I said it, and I stand by saying it. But I also recall a lot of people, myself included, condemning violence in the same breath. Riots I can understand to a degree -- I just don't understand why do it to the people you're that you're claiming to be rioting (protesting) for. It makes zero sense. MLK Jr, as you said, was simply explaining the why. So then the question is, why do we have these Nazi flag waving protestors? Are those folks fascists? Not likely. Racists? Probably, or very ignorant. Or, as MLK when explains riots, maybe some are doing this to get attention. It's a poor way of doing things. You lose sympathy points. Just like when BLM's was burning down their neighbours businesses you lost sympathy, because it makes zero sense, even with the context "language of the unheard". |
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taraf
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2022-Feb-2 6:08 pm
said by AppleGuy:So then the question is, why do we have these Nazi flag waving protestors? Are those folks fascists? Not likely. Racists? Probably, or very ignorant. You do realize you just said that the literal Nazis aren't fascists? |
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2022-Feb-2 6:26 pm
said by taraf:said by AppleGuy:So then the question is, why do we have these Nazi flag waving protestors? Are those folks fascists? Not likely. Racists? Probably, or very ignorant. You do realize you just said that the literal Nazis aren't fascists? What's a literal Nazi? Hitler was leader of the Nazi Party, and he was a fascist. » www.livescience.com/5762 ··· ism.htmlBut in the case of the Nazi flag wavers in Ottawa, I don't believe they even know what a fascist is. |
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said by taraf:said by AppleGuy:So then the question is, why do we have these Nazi flag waving protestors? Are those folks fascists? Not likely. Racists? Probably, or very ignorant. You do realize you just said that the literal Nazis aren't fascists? And sorry, I should add: people get involved with certain things without always knowing what they're doing. As I said, these people are likely racist, if not, they'd be incredible ignorant. |
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Okay, I don't claim to know what's in the hearts of *those* guys, but I'm pretty sure you don't need to know what a fascist is in order to be one. |
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AppleGuy
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2022-Feb-2 6:39 pm
said by Flaochat:Okay, I don't claim to know what's in the hearts of *those* guys, but I'm pretty sure you don't need to know what a fascist is in order to be one. I don't know. Fascist believe in dictatorships and tyranny, something these so-called convoy believes they are fighting against (the so-called dictatorship/tyranny from Trudeau). |
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I don't think many of them know much.
One guy was saying how he can't work because of canada vax mandate.. but they forget how the US won't allow them in.
Judging from some posters in here the brain cells aren't all there either |
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NCRGuy
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said by EUS:It's not their place to do so. They're not judges, or police. If they want to claim that’s not their message, it bloody well is. Silence is acceptance. |
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said by Cloneman:there's assoles everywhere. are you really cocerned that these people are going to turn Canada into a Nazi and/or homophobe state?
why should we shut down the whole covoy? arrest these people individually. Because the whole convoy is breaking the law. |
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AppleGuy
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said by LastDon:I don't think many of them know much.
One guy was saying how he can't work because of canada vax mandate.. but they forget how the US won't allow them in.
Judging from some posters in here the brain cells aren't all there either That was what I thought. I think many who are protesting and carrying around that nazi garbage are government funded, if you know what I mean. |
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Fergless
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2022-Feb-2 8:17 pm
Just found out their gofundme has been suspended for now. |
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AppleGuy
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AppleGuy
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2022-Feb-2 8:25 pm
said by Fergless:Just found out their gofundme has been suspended for now. Again, eh? Should have stopped this while they were ahead, and at least to help the truckers the way it was intended. This protest was never going to go anywhere, they should have stood down after Monday night. |
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said by NCRGuy:Because the whole convoy is breaking the law. God forbid regular joes break the law for once. Give them a parking ticket. said by bjlockie:Since the goal is to lower the strain on hospitalizations and a lot of the country is vaccinated and will therefore more easily spread the virus then requiring vaccination seems to be a logical course of action? Booster doses to prevent hospitalizations is not supported by science in young healthy people ( less than 40 years old) . |
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jpaik
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jpaik
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2022-Feb-2 8:46 pm
Citation, re booster doses? |
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