I do have fears that if all the IISPs disappear, and all we have left are two incumbents (who in most cases won't have their fibre coverage overlap), there won't be much motivation to have good peering -- or even to have good prices or even reactive service.

Six months from now, with the next $200 saving I've promised her a couple of nights at a small, country B & B to celebrate out 50th wedding anniversary.

Just so you know, Fizz is not an IISP. It is the cheap brand of Videotron.

This is not to say you are wrong to save money, but it just reinforces the failure of the sys

with my new post-Teksavvy IISP.

A writer in another thread wrote the quoted text below.

Well, start.ca appears to have dropped DSL/VDSL from their offerings, at least for now. So that's another solid ISP that is no longer serving a segment of the population for new signups.

I see Ebox was purchased by Bell. Are we sure teksavvy would sell to one of the bigger players? They've been installing FTTH in the Chatham-Kent region. It would be foolish for them to cave now when they have their foot in the door.

And when the indies (i.e., some competition) disappear, do we expect those retention practices to stay the same? Seems unlikely.... Except for the few people that have the benefit of indie fibre service which is a limited segment of the population.

I do have fears that if all the IISPs disappear, and all we have left are two incumbents (who in most cases won't have their fibre coverage overlap), there won't be much motivation to have good peering -- or even to have good prices or even reactive service.

Incumbent networks have far more redundancy and decent routing

I’m this world, money talk.

If you have a big player that want to buy TSI or TSI want to sell to any high bidder, you will bet they will jump on it.

Would they care who buy them? No. It’s $$$ that count and the fact that he/they no longer need to work for the rest of their life.

TSI is in bad shape, can’t deny that.

If CRTC don’t change anything, you will bet they will sell to higher bidder.

EBox smart up and sell before everything hit rock bottom.

That may be true but the number of people who care enough about routing and peering to pay TSI's inflated rates probably equate to the number of people using Blackberry smartphones. And while some "cheap" IISPs do have terrible routing, incumbents do not, which is really where the tide is heading.

TSI can't rely on technical nuances to sell its wares. Blackberry tried that and we know how it ended.

Paying more for a middle man ISP than the incumbent source is insanity.

So you switch Modem and no more packet lost?

Look like old modem have issue.

After having some technical issues that Tek claimed was modem related and wanting to sell me a new modem... I switched, went from 25mibt for $50.95 to 75mbit for $39.95 and surprise surprise no more packetloss and reasonable pings on the modem that Tek claimed was the problem.

Non expiring credits is not a fixed price through. They just bump the base price. That's the whole joke of these credits instead of just having a fixed price.

Non expiring credits is not a fixed price through. They just bump the base price. That's the whole joke of these credits instead of just having a fixed price.

Its true, but sometimes you can get lucky and get non expiring credits. I get $40 non expiring credits on my gigabit fiber.

Even with the yearly raises I'm still way ahead.

Keep in mind that once the incumbents have us, or flankers, they will just raise prices every month like Bell , or Fizz even. Since the summer I have seen Fizz's pricing change 3 times.

NOPE
price guarantee for 15 yrs
absolutely no committments

The part everyone forgets is that these are promo rates from the incumbents, they WILL change.

The part everyone forgets is that these are promo rates from the incumbents, they WILL change.

Everything you said is exactly the same for me.

Exactly. I was a TekSavvy customer for 11 years. Until the day came I needed faster internet than the 50meg VDSL I could get here, and I refuse to use Rogers cable directly or via TPIA simply because the technology is inferior.

I'm paying less after taxes for gigabit fiber than TekSavvy charges for 300meg cable before taxes. Go figure.

I need fast, reliable Internet. In my subdivision my choices are FTTH or RFoG and so there isn't really a choice when WFH dictates that 10Mb/s upload just won't cut it.

Maybe we need to start nagging a different level of government. Martin, Harper and Trudeau have done nothing of any real substance to address the issues, with Bains and Joly having actually made things worse. Maybe the tactic has to be getting on the case of local governments to give Bell et al a taste of their own medicine.

After all, those are our easements that they want to use; public property. Are we charging them rent? Are we charging them enough rent? Is the rate being adjusted for inflation, increasing salaries of municipal employees who maintain the easements, and the construction work that is sometimes needed because of service provider projects? Bell doesn't give us anything for free or low cost and are never shy about asking for favours and grants from governments; we should return the favour. Every year, every area, an easement rate increase. Every year, construction permits and new easement applications will be more expensive. They use the idea for their customers, so surely they will judge it to be absolutely reasonable, and won't even think about challenging the idea, right?