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Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 19:43:02 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

Windows 11, yuck.
g/l with that.

After trying it for a little bit of time, I decided to restore my fresh Windows 10 backup image. Wow, I had no idea that Windows 11 slowed down my system so much. Windows 10 is far more quicker than 11.
So yes, Windows 11, yuck indeed.

Just read your other thread. W11 is junk. Doesn't work right with some hardware configurations, basically forces you to stay online, and hogs some system resources strangely. I notice this as well on my W11 test bench machine. Regardless of all the MS patches and etc, and I'm using the DEV version of W11 as well. Smart move going back. Crazy to hear what W11 was doing to your system.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 19:15:52 EDT

robman50 posted :

said by jbob:

And based on the new issue you posted about....it might just be you!

Maybe! I don't know anymore. hahahaha!

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 16:55:10 EDT

jbob posted :

said by robman50:

said by heyyahblah:

Windows 11, yuck.
g/l with that.

Yeah I'm not sure that is quite true. At least for many hardware combinations. And based on the new issue you posted about....it might just be you! ;)

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 16:29:46 EDT

robman50 posted :

said by heyyahblah:

Windows 11, yuck.
g/l with that.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:22:58 EDT

Octavean posted : Haven't actually used it yet. In order to do so quickly I would need to either uninstall my RyZen 3950X and test it on the Asus ROG STRIX B550-F or buy a new processor.

I'm thinking it makes sense to buy something like the RyZen 5700g at roughly ~$250 USD at Microcenter.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:10:05 EDT

robman50 posted :

said by Octavean:

So I should be getting a new Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming motherboard early next week,....

How are you doing with that Asus board?

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:32:56 EDT

robman50 posted : ..... And that's why I made a full backup image of my Windows 10 installation with Marcium Reflect. I could always restore that image. Noticed a few bugs with 11, explorer froze (taskbar/start menu) and a few small display bugs.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:33:24 EDT

heyyahblah posted : Windows 11, yuck.
g/l with that.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:59:41 EDT

Fraoch posted :

said by robman50:

XMP.... kinda nervous about turning it on to run my RAM at 3200 MHz since I've seen posts about their system won't POST and they would have to reset the CMOS (pulling the battery / jumper).

Many motherboards have a setting where if it does not boot 5 times in a row (for example), it will reset to BIOS defaults.

If your motherboard supports XMP and the memory does too you should be safe.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:30:57 EDT

robman50 posted : Quick update:
Windows 11.... took it anyway.
XMP.... kinda nervous about turning it on to run my RAM at 3200 MHz since I've seen posts about their system won't POST and they would have to reset the CMOS (pulling the battery / jumper).

RAM.... it IS on the supported device list. HWinfo64 grabbed the wrong model number, had to search for the original packaging.
»www.kingston.com/dataShe ··· 2_32.pdf

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:29:11 EDT

tlbepson posted : heyyahblah:
>> '$Windows.~WS' and '$WINDOWS.~BT'

There is some nasty crap in there...

>>So I enabled (show hidden items)

One of the first things I have always done in Windows is to show hidden files and UNcheck things like hiding extensions, system files. etc...

>>red X notification telling me "PC Doesn't Meet minimum requirements for W11",

Best news ever! '-}}

Thanks for the screenshots...

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:56:56 EDT

Octavean posted :

On my main system

RyZen 3950X
ASRock Taichi X570
Asus RTX 3050 (previously GTX 970 to GTX 1060 6GB)
64GB DDR4 3200 RAM

I recently upgraded the Samsung 1TB SSD to a 2TB SSD. Naturally I just cloned the 1TB SSD to the 2TB SSD. As such, with other backs as well, I figured there was no harm in trying Windows 11. So far its been mostly fine. There was one issue but it was sorted quickly. Windows 11 does have its annoyances to sure though. Windows 10 is mature and IMO a better experience all told,...IMO.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:49:18 EDT

robman50 posted : Win11:
Yeah, I did that with my old board (turned off fTPM) and no more tempting upgrade messages. :)

Mobo:
I've noticed that this new motherboard has my fans spinning quicker and it revs the RPM up more. I wonder if this new board produces more heat than the smaller Gigabyte board.
I think I'll have to play around with the fan curve settings since the CPU is more warmer in the FS2020 menu than with the DS3H AC.

MSI features:
BIOS - Game Boost (CPU boost)..... Umm..... Okay, so I've learned it's an overclocking thing and I don't need to overclock the 5600x, so I just let it run it's 'turbo mode' when it's needed and it hits 4.6 GHz without any overclocking things. Recommend I just leave this alone? Yeah, I'll turn the A-XMP profile on since my 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM is running at 2400 MHz.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Fri, 18 Feb 2022 06:09:46 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

said by tlbepson:

Oh good...thanks for the confirmation that I was remembering things correctly--I'm running Win7/Pro so I watch all the updatecrap issues from the sidelines...'-}}

Yea, I remember when I had TPM enabled on my main gaming rig, I noticed a bit of storage was missing on my C:\. So I enabled (show hidden items) and found folders '$Windows.~WS' and '$WINDOWS.~BT'. I then opened Windows Update and it was showing me "Upgrade to Windows 11 is ready -- and its free" with a "Download and Install" button. I knew by the folders/files that were already on C:\ that WU had downloaded some W11 install files on my HDD and if I hit install by accident, it would start the W11 upgrade.

So I rebooted, went into BIOS, and made sure TPM and SB were now [disabled], booted into safe mode and deleted the hidden '$Windows.~WS' folders, and booted back into Windows. When I went back into Windows Update, I now had a red X notification telling me "PC Doesn't Meet minimum requirements for W11", download PC Health Check App, which I did and yep 'Health Check' told me that everything was in the green for W11 except for TPM and SB. Basically telling me PC doesn't meet W11 requirements, so now I don't have to worry about W11 "accidentally" installing or updating my system by chance. You never know with these silent updates, even if you choose "Stay on Windows 10 for now" your PC could be online, and you could be AFK and it would start the upgrade process on its own. Microsoft is sneaky like that.

So it was a good reminder that you posted about this for @robman especially since his new MB came with TPM enabled by default. I completely forgot about this. Added screenshots of how my system looked before and after disabling the W11 update from my machine.
Thanks!

Win 11 Ready - TPM 2.0 [enabled]
TPM [disabled] folders/files deleted
No TPM & No SB -- my rig is safe from W11 updates =)

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 17 Feb 2022 17:49:43 EDT

tlbepson posted : heyyahblah:
>>Good call on this.

Oh good...thanks for the confirmation that I was remembering things correctly--I'm running Win7/Pro so I watch all the updatecrap issues from the sidelines...'-}}

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 23:07:10 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

said by tlbepson:

From what I have read, if you don't want a surprise, behind your back install of Win11, then disable TPM2 (or set it to the earlier version) and do not enable secure boot. With those settings any winupdates that check your system will not see it as a viable Windows 11 candidate.

^
Good call on this. If you're going to fresh install W10 for the time being disable TPM 2.0 and SB, so W11 doesn't "accidentally" download its install files and update and overwrite your W10 system.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:36:46 EDT

tlbepson posted : robman50:
>>- Current BIOS is "Windows 11 Ready", TPM 2.0 enabled by default.

From what I have read, if you don't want a surprise, behind your back install of Win11, then disable TPM2 (or set it to the earlier version) and do not enable secure boot. With those settings any winupdates that check your system will not see it as a viable Windows 11 candidate.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:32:24 EDT

jbob posted : You don't need Secure Boot enabled for Win11. The motherboard just needs to be Secure Boot capable.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:31:01 EDT

robman50 posted : About the Gigabyte board. Bug or best CPU cooling system ever! HAA! :D
(it's the -55c bug caught red handed before it went in to the shop)

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:27:53 EDT

robman50 posted : Yup. Everything is set to GPT. Secure Boot is disabled for some reason. I might need to enable it in the BIOS.

Going to wait on Windows 11 for a little more.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:28:29 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by robman50:

- Current BIOS is "Windows 11 Ready", TPM 2.0 enabled by default.

Secure Boot too most likely.

I take it your SSD / HDD was already setup as GPT,.....?

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:07:00 EDT

robman50 posted : NEW Motherboard is installed!
A few things I've noticed right off the bat....
- Using current OS installation with OLD motherboard drivers, system is stable but everything is sooooo much faster.
- A reinstall is probably a good idea at this point.
- So what I've learned at this point is the drivers on the motherboard DVD are dated 2017-2020, so Windows 10 obviously. The drivers on the MSI site are dated late 2021, early 2022. Same with the Windows 11 drivers.
- Current BIOS is "Windows 11 Ready", TPM 2.0 enabled by default.

Still stuck on which version of Windows I should grab for the installation media. I suppose Windows 10 + DVD drivers and utilities + updated drivers/utilities from the MSI site would give me all the extra "goodies".

OR .... Windows 11 + downloaded drivers/utilities. hmm....

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:08:44 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

said by Octavean:

IIRC the Intel I225v problems started in 2020. If Intel hasn’t got this sorted by now they likely never will.

Yea, you won't see any problems. All boards are more then likely revision B3 now. Its going on 2 years already, and I even mentioned twice that this was a 2020 problem so yea. I highly doubt any new-old stock of those motherboards especially coming from places that sell high volume. All the boards that CC (Canada Computers) are selling currently are revision B3 for the B550/X570 chipset and they are a much smaller retailer then Newegg/Microcenter (which is where I'm assuming you got your bundle from). They are even trying to liquidate those to push out the X570S chipset boards that have been showing up.

said by robman50:

With a new motherboard, that would mean a reinstall of Windows.
New board, latest BIOS, Windows 11 sticker (probably) on the box.... Windows 10 or 11? hmm...
I think it's time to do more research.

I'm using W10 until EOL. I have W11 Dev running on one of my laptops and running inside a VM on my main PC, so I get the latest dev builds installed. I even even get to participate in the feedback hub (which doesn't do much). The lack of features in W11 and how its become a cut down version of W10, makes it very unappealing. Users of W11 out there have resorted to using reg hacks and tweaks and even 3rd party software to get features back that were pretty much standard in W10.

Start11™
»www.stardock.com/product ··· start11/

StartAllBack
»www.startallback.com/

These are just 2 I posted off the top of my head. There is a W11 forum dedicated to Tweaking W11 via reghacks. I'm using StartAllBack for 1 feature currently. Show labels on task icons. Right now MS hasn't decided if they are going to bring this feature back in future builds. It is requested a lot in feedback hub with tens of thousands votes and hundreds of comments. How is it possible Microsoft reducing options instead of adding? Windows is going to become an entertainment platform like Apple. For enthusiasts combining icons, reduced start menus, task manager disappearance, and many other cuts are just unproductive. The fact that they (Microshart) are not listening to a majority of user requests in the feedback hub, speaks volume in itself. You can tell when they leave a reply or pin something. So far I am disappointed in W11 as a whole being in the dev testing. W11 reminds of a tablet OS, with MS not giving any thought to enthusiast users.

Right now the only benefit of W11 I can see for some is the minimal extra performance gains over W10, but if you already have a latest gen CPU and SSD you will hardly notice these differences. Also W11 is buggy on some hardware setups that the performance gains on W11 are negated by some driver/hardware conflict issues. Its hit and miss depending on your hardware. The only real tweaks come from owning the latest 12th gen Intel with its P & E cores. They get an extra performance bump (from what I have read) because of how W11 is optimized for those CPU/CORES. If AMD decides to do something similar, CPU setup as Intel for its upcoming AM5 with some type of P & E cores, then possibly AMD CPUs will get a performance bump as well on W11, only time will tell. Another thing I do hate with W11 is having to enable secure-boot and TPM 2.0 on the motherboard. Doing so prevents my machine from booting into a Linux distro running off a USB drive. That is rather inconvenient as well. I can see how secure-boot and TPM 2.0 would be useful in a business or school or professional environment, but I feel that gamers, and power users don't need this in a home environment. I know I don't. I know they say everyone "nags" when a new OS comes out, but they did a really good job on W10 over the years coming from the butcher that was W8 Start. Now all that progress is lost again in W11. Start Menu butchered, again. Resorting to 3rd party options. Also, dislike the fact that you have to be "signed in" into an account to use lots of things, including widgets, lol. I mean I prefer the offline accounts I've been using in all my previous versions of Windows, incl. W10 but hey, to each their own.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:29:58 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by robman50:

That was my other choice! Hope you don't have the bad Intel I225v issue.

IIRC the Intel I225v problems started in 2020. If Intel hasn’t got this sorted by now they likely never will. Hopefully there are no problems with the I225V but if there are it’s a legitimate reason for return.

To be honest, it’s nice to see a 2.5GbE adapter rather then standard 1GbE integrated on motherboards. However, even though I run a mixed network, I much prefer 10GbE and I have a couple of spare NICs at the ready. Therefore, it’s unlikely I would use 2.5GbE anyway.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:13:32 EDT

robman50 posted : With a new motherboard, that would mean a reinstall of Windows.
New board, latest BIOS, Windows 11 sticker (probably) on the box.... Windows 10 or 11? hmm...
I think it's time to do more research.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Mon, 14 Feb 2022 11:09:25 EDT

robman50 posted : Update:
They did testing on the OLD mobo and system and ran it overnight Friday to Saturday and everything was fine. I am not surprised there. They'll install the new one and most likely upgrade the BIOS to support the Ryzen 5600X and test it to make sure it's stable. Personally, I'm starting to wonder if the Gigabyte board keeps crapping out because it's not made to handle this type of work load.

The service desk at the store said it'll probably be done and ready by Wednesday.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:57:37 EDT

robman50 posted : That was my other choice! Hope you don't have the bad Intel I225v issue.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:07:25 EDT

Octavean posted : Yeah, good luck! Do let us know how it goes.

BTW, while I wasn't in the market for a new motherboard (let alone one from Asus), one was bundled with a recent video card purchase. So I should be getting a new Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming motherboard early next week,....

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:04:55 EDT

DonoftheDead posted : Could be a batch of bad sensors (good sensors that are wired wrong?) that they went ahead and put on their low-end boards like the crappy capacitors disaster. Could be a lot of things but OP is taking care of it and I bet the new board works fine. I've pretty much always stuck with Asus or MSI but Asrock is good too. I stay away from the low end stuff from all the brands. Would like an update too, curious about what it could be.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:56:50 EDT

tlbepson posted : robman50...

Let us know what they find in their testing...

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Thu, 10 Feb 2022 14:09:58 EDT

robman50 posted : Thank you everybody. :)

I've purchased the MPG B550 Gaming Edge Wifi. I hope I won't have any regrets.

Also, I've talked to the guy at the store, they are going to run a diagnostic on the Gigabyte DS3H AC (to prove it's defective for a warranty return) and I've explained to them how the CPU sensor kept reporting -55c and shutting off the CPU cooler causing it to overheat and do a thermal shutdown and I'm concerned about the chip getting damaged from the heat. So, I might get a new 5600x as well (warranty swap).

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:39:49 EDT

jbob posted : I'm still curious as to the real issue with your hardware(Motherboard?) and the cooling issue, -55 temps. Is it the motherboard itself, a bios setting or even a bad bios flash? On the Gigabyte Forum topics on that subject some even replaced the motherboard and had the same issue. Just so odd.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:34:06 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

said by robman50:

Your excellent detail helped me narrow it down to these two....
So, for the Asus boards, ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (B3, latest BIOS, CC in stock).
MSI... MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi (CC stock sold out)

As for the Gigabyte DS3H MICRO ATX, they don't even sell them online anymore. I think the only store that sells them is CC in Oakville and they only have 1 left.

It looks like I should be that Asus board, what's a good "plan B"? The MSI MPG B550? I don't know about the MSI boards but would the MPG series be a high-tier also? I'd assume it's better than the MAG line-up.

Alright, well you seemed to have narrowed it down for yourself in these posts in relation to how much you can afford and what boards you were looking at. These were the 3 you posted for ASUS. 1 x B550 and 2 x X570 chipset. (I went with your max spending post)

Canada Computers seems to have them all in stock so just chose the one you think is right for you. If you want top tier motherboard on the lower chipset, get the B550 STRIX and leave it at that. If you want the "enthusiast" X570 chipset instead (that you said you can afford) pick either of the 2 TUF series. TUF PLUS or the TUF PRO at the higher price point and that's it. Don't over think it, just pick one and that's it. It's like with anything you buy, it's always hit and miss. We always pray we don't end up with a lemon. These are all quality motherboards so they will definitely run circles around your Gigabyte DS3H M-ATX. Especially the STRIX MB.

ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) - $224
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=169289

ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi) - $250
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=139033

ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PRO (WiFi 6) - $280
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=181421

You also mentioned the MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi as plan B, »www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=139006 - $220
If you want REALTEK networking chipset over INTEL chipset on the ASUS board, then yes pick MSI. I had a look, and all the Canada Computers locations are sold out except for 1 left at the Newmarket, ON location. If you really, really (for whatever reason) want to order that particular motherboard from Canada Computers, go to your local CC that you shop at and speak with a supervisor, and ask if they still do product transfers between locations. I know pre-covid days if you wanted an item that was in stock at another location, a supervisor would be able to request a transfer for you of the particular item to your local store free of charge. This took about 7-10 business days to process order and deliver items between stores. Like I said, they did this pre-covid so IDK if they still do this today.

But that same board is only $10 more from Amazon with free shipping. If you really want that MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi over the ASUS boards they why not order it from Amazon?
»www.amazon.ca/MSI-Perfor ··· CYG?th=1

The MSI MAG lineup is a tier up from the MSI MPG. I don't have the time to do an extensive search on the MSI boards but a quick tier list / layout for them is as follows (high to low):

MSI MEG ACE > MEG UNIFY / UNIFY-X > MAG TOMAHAWK > MPG GAMING PRO CARBON / CARBON > MPG GAMING EDGE > MPG GAMING PLUS > B550 TORPEDO / MORTAR > X570-A PRO / B550-A PRO > etc.

So here are 4 MSI boards (2 x B550 chipset + 2 x X570 chipset) from Canada Computers:
MPG tier and MAG tier:

MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI - $220
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=169630

MSI MPG B550 GAMING CARBON WIFI - $260
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=169869

MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi - $220 (OOS)
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=139006

MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI - $290
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=169087

Hope that's not too overwhelming and all I can say is flip a coin on brand and board and how much you want to spend and G/L

said by robman50:

Any idea if the successor to the AM4 socket would be backward compatible and fit my Ryzen 5600x?
It feels like the X570 chip is older than the B550, wouldn't it be a step backwards?
Only benefit of the X570 is the extra PCIe Gen4 support, but if I only plan to use 1 m2 drive at a time, would it matter if I go with a B550 or not?
If a X570 board is cheaper than a B550, then I'll take the X570. I guess it depends on the price. If Canada Computers get that MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi board, I'll get that. No brainer there.
As of now, I've learned that the MSI MPG line up is a higher-tier than the MAG series.

Of course my Gigabyte board isn't acting up. Maybe it knows it was behaving badly and I want to replace it. HAHAHA!!!

Edit: I just emailed the store asking what the top selling motherboards are for the Ryzen 5600x and if they are selling the B3 version of those ASUS boards.

@jbob did an excellent job doing a quick break down for you on this.

AM5 socket is not backwards compatible with AM4. AMD switched to LGA (Land Grid Array) on their upcoming CPUs.
X570 came out first as its enthusiast grade and that was the target audience.
Myself and others have already mentioned to you about the differences between "enthusiast" and "budget" chipsets.
MAG is the higher tier. I posted a tier list for you above.

MSI MEG ACE > MEG UNIFY / UNIFY-X > MAG TOMAHAWK > MPG GAMING PRO CARBON / CARBON > MPG GAMING EDGE > MPG GAMING PLUS > B550 TORPEDO / MORTAR > X570-A PRO / B550-A PRO > etc.

Not much more I can comment on as jbob broke it down for you. Try not to over think this anymore then you should. Again, all I can say is flip a coin on brand and board and how much you want to spend and G/L.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 09 Feb 2022 19:52:27 EDT

robman50 posted :

said by jbob:

The MSI MAG boards are a higher quality than the MPG line. MPG is a lower tier budget oriented line.

You're way overthinking a lot of this.

Yeah, honestly I have no idea about most of this kinda stuff. I guess I had to put up with a bad board for so long, now I'm just afraid I'll keep having a bad experience.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Wed, 09 Feb 2022 19:46:35 EDT

robman50 posted : Speaking of computer problems, okay so it's not me then. (Y)

said by heyyahblah:

i'll reply when the board isn't broken. it was supposed to be fixed today before 6pm EST but its still busted so I can't reply post links etc.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Tue, 08 Feb 2022 21:37:14 EDT

heyyahblah posted : i'll reply when the board isn't broken. it was supposed to be fixed today before 6pm EST but its still busted so I can't reply post links etc.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Tue, 08 Feb 2022 14:52:49 EDT

Octavean posted : The motherboard manufacturers attempt to differentiate themselves and their products from the competition. They also want to try to keep the MSRP down as well as some innovation here and there. This is part of the reason that you see B550 boards with ambitious features and lofty prices with respect to some X570 boards.

You really need robust power distribution for something like a RyZen 5950X, 3950X, 5900X or 3900X and you can likely get that with a higher end X570. The same may be possible of a higher end B550 board but systems should be balanced. High end processor, high end motherboard.

For something like a RyZen 5600X you don’t need as robust of a power distribution system. Midrange processor, midrange motherboard,…..

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:36:28 EDT

jbob posted : The AM4 successor, the AM5, will be a different socket so will not be backwards compatible. Will not work with an AM4 CPU.

Yes the X570 is older but that's only because it came out first. The lesser capable B550 chipset came out later for budget reasons. The X570 overall is a better chipset while the B550 is more geared towards budget restraints.

It's not simply that the X570 is more expensive than a B550. As I mentioned earlier you can buy cheaper X570 motherboards than more expensive B550 motherboards.

The MSI MAG boards are a higher quality than the MPG line. MPG is a lower tier budget oriented line.

You're way overthinking a lot of this.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:41:58 EDT

robman50 posted : Any idea if the successor to the AM4 socket would be backward compatible and fit my Ryzen 5600x?
It feels like the X570 chip is older than the B550, wouldn't it be a step backwards?
Only benefit of the X570 is the extra PCIe Gen4 support, but if I only plan to use 1 m2 drive at a time, would it matter if I go with a B550 or not?
If a X570 board is cheaper than a B550, then I'll take the X570. I guess it depends on the price. If Canada Computers get that MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi board, I'll get that. No brainer there.
As of now, I've learned that the MSI MPG line up is a higher-tier than the MAG series.

Of course my Gigabyte board isn't acting up. Maybe it knows it was behaving badly and I want to replace it. HAHAHA!!!

Edit: I just emailed the store asking what the top selling motherboards are for the Ryzen 5600x and if they are selling the B3 version of those ASUS boards.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:54:42 EDT

Octavean posted : Unfortunately it seems a lot of retailers and etailers are bundling stock that is otherwise difficult to move (possibly due to quality concerns) with high demand items like video cards. So a questionable PSU or a lower quality motherboard might be the price of admission.

BTW, when I was looking for an AM4 motherboard (in late 2019 or early 2020 IIRC) I was considering a higher end Gigabyte Aorus X570 board and the ASRock Taichi X570. The price was going to be about ~$300+ or so either way but the Gigabyte boards just weren’t in stock and the RyZen 3950X was very difficult to find too. So I eventually went with the ASRock once I lucked out and found the RyZen 3950X at Microcenter. I’m glad I gave ASRock a chance and I couldn’t be happier with it.

Keep in mind that X570 boards typically have a chipset fan whereas B550 don’t.

Also note that AM4 is end of life. So another option could be to simply sell the parts you have now and wait for new hardware from AMD or go with whatever Intel is slinging these days.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:57:33 EDT

robman50 posted : Your excellent detail helped me narrow it down to these two....
So, for the Asus boards, ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (B3, latest BIOS, CC in stock).
MSI... MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi (CC stock sold out)

As for the Gigabyte DS3H MICRO ATX, they don't even sell them online anymore. I think the only store that sells them is CC in Oakville and they only have 1 left.

It looks like I should be that Asus board, what's a good "plan B"? The MSI MPG B550? I don't know about the MSI boards but would the MPG series be a high-tier also? I'd assume it's better than the MAG line-up.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 21:42:49 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

said by robman50:

Came across another one. A but turned off on the faulty Intel controller on the Asus boards.

What's the MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI like? »www.msi.com/Motherboard/ ··· DGE-WIFI
This one has a Realtek ethernet controller.

The ASUS motherboards with the Intel networking issues were the earlier revisions. Like I mentioned, if buying now you should more then likely get a B3 revision motherboard, unless the place you are buying from is holding onto some seriously new-old stock boards. But, given the amount of time that has passed since the problem originated I would say chances of that is low. If you go to Canada Computers or Memory Express for example, before you purchase the motherboard they go over it with you and do a visual inspection of the motherboard, to make sure everything looks as its should. Since they are opening it up and doing a visual inspection you can tell them to have a look to find the revision code number thats printed right on the board. If its version B3 then you're good to go. When assembling everything together, just make sure to update the BIOS to the latest version from the website as well. That's it.

I am not that familiar with MSI motherboards so I can't say.

The only thing I noticed right now is the MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi is the same price as the (MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI »www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=169630 ) and they both use a Realtek ethernet controller. X570 being the better chipset. So its a no brainer which one to choose for the price.

$220 - MSI MPG X570
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· d=139006
»www.amazon.ca/MSI-Perfor ··· 7T2FWCYG

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues.

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 21:42:31 EDT

heyyahblah posted :

said by robman50:

said by heyyahblah:

ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming vs ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS the B550 Strix is the higher tier in ASUS motherboard line up but X570 is the higher tier in chipset.

Maybe that's why the B550-F is more popular on Amazon and is the best seller?

The ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming is the more popular seller on Amazon because like stated above its a higher tier motherboard then the X570 TUF GAMING PLUS, even though its on the B550 chipset. The Strix has the better features and build quality over the TUF PLUS. The only win on the TUF PLUS is that it being on the X570 chipset, but when you compare the features the B550 is the better buy.

said by robman50:

The GB DS3H wasn't a choice. It came as a kit sold by Canada Computers. I was just searching for an awesome video card since it was during the shortage and it came with an amazing CPU at a decent price. I always felt that it was too good to be true and wondered what the catch was. Now I know.

Ahh, now I understand. Thanks for letting me know that was Canada Computers fault. Why their paired such a low end MB with CPU or GPU (whatever the bundle was) is disappointing to say the least. Selling a Gigabyte DS3H MICRO ATX with a 5800X or an RTX 3060 is just beyond dumb. They could have bundled it with a better motherboard. Seems like they were trying to sell them off, how unfortunate. Shame on CC for doing that and selling you such a low tier motherboard. Had they gave you a decent MB you wouldn't be having these problems. Really shitty move by CC.

said by robman50:

said by heyyahblah:

Just read about them here.

»www.reddit.com/r/Amd/com ··· similar/

I could probably afford the TUF X570-Pro. It's on sale even and it has WiFi 6. :)
»www.canadacomputers.com/ ··· -section

Time to read that redit thread.

Looking at the QVL/supported list, yes my CPU is supported but I can't find my RAM anywhere for the AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors.

My RAM is a kit of 2x KHX3200C16D4/16GX sticks.

Edit: Forgot to add this..... How about Windows 11? Would they both run it? The TUF X570 says Windows 11 ready, the other one did not mention it on it's product page.

If you say you can afford the TUF PRO, then in that case the ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PRO would be the better buy over the TUF PLUS.

I wouldn't worry to much about QVL for RAM. That's just a list that is printed at the time the MB is manufactured and just slapped into the manual. There are way more memory kits out there that the manual can even fit. Also, don't forget that every time the BIOS is updated by the manufactures, they add more memory kits and compatibility and stability to the new sticks of RAM coming out. This is more or less a guideline to follow. I wouldn't worry about this at all. Kingston is a major memory manufacture so I wouldn't worry about those sticks not being on the list. Just looks like another typical DDR4 3200 CL16 memory kit to me.

Yes, all the hardware is Windows 11 ready. No need to worry about it. If you need to put your mind at ease, you can read the official AMD CPU support list for Windows 11 and AMD 5800X is right there on that list.

»docs.microsoft.com/en-us ··· ocessors

said by robman50:

About the ROG Strix motherboard, I've seen a few sites say that this motherboard has issues with the type of RAM that I am using?
I have "Hyperx fury RGB 3200mhz ram" 2x 16GB.
»www.reddit.com/r/overclo ··· n_5600x/
»linustechtips.com/topic/ ··· th-docp/

Older posts with users probably running older BIOS versions. I cannot comment on this as I wouldn't know. Seems like a strange user specific issue. If this was a major issue I'm sure it would have been resolved by future BIOS updates.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 19:58:07 EDT

robman50 posted : Came across another one. A but turned off on the faulty Intel controller on the Asus boards.

What's the MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI like? »www.msi.com/Motherboard/ ··· DGE-WIFI
This one has a Realtek ethernet controller.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues / looking for a new (different) mobo

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 16:08:55 EDT

robman50 posted : About the ROG Strix motherboard, I've seen a few sites say that this motherboard has issues with the type of RAM that I am using?
I have "Hyperx fury RGB 3200mhz ram" 2x 16GB.
»www.reddit.com/r/overclo ··· n_5600x/
»linustechtips.com/topic/ ··· th-docp/

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues.

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 13:48:01 EDT

robman50 posted :

said by heyyahblah:

Just read about them here.

»www.reddit.com/r/Amd/com ··· similar/

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues.

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 13:29:28 EDT

robman50 posted : Ahh. Good point. I might upgrade my Adata SX8200NP (Gen 3) later and maybe that might be a gen 4 drive. I don't plan on running RAID though.

As for the networking part, I just jumped on 802.11ac and 5 GHz so I'm a bit behind. Haha!

Everything I own is mostly wireless. Phones are dual band (2.4/5 GHz 802.11ac), same as the laptop and my desktop and NAS are 100/1000.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues.

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:57:03 EDT

robman50 posted :

said by heyyahblah:

ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming vs ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS the B550 Strix is the higher tier in ASUS motherboard line up but X570 is the higher tier in chipset.

Maybe that's why the B550-F is more popular on Amazon and is the best seller?

SupremeFX 1220 audio codec ( vsS1200 ) it also has dual OP AMPS and a much richer audio suite with Sonic Studio III

I don't know if this would make a difference. I'm using the Logitech Z606 speakers. They can't go below 60 Hz to offer that really deep base but I don't aim to shake the pictures of the walls. lol

The GB DS3H wasn't a choice. It came as a kit sold by Canada Computers. I was just searching for an awesome video card since it was during the shortage and it came with an amazing CPU at a decent price. I always felt that it was too good to be true and wondered what the catch was. Now I know.

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues.

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:57:01 EDT

jbob posted :

said by robman50:

I don't know anything about chipsets all though I do see the X570 has PCIe 4.0 and the other has PCIe 3.0. I don't think any of my devices are PCIe 4.0 compatible and are being bottle necked with the PCIe 3.0.

B550 does have PCIe Gen 4 support but is limited to ONE PCI-e slot(GPU) and ONE Gen 4 NVMe SSD. Although you may not have any newer equipment now you might in the future. That's why this is all relative to your wants, needs and funds.
Until 5 months ago I had no Gen 4 NVMe drives. Now I have them as boot drives on 4 systems. Three X570s and one Z590.

I also agree with the wifi 6 thing but.....my next Router will be an AX router. So why not prepair for that now?

Re: [Parts Check] Gigabyte motherboard issues.

Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:31:46 EDT

robman50 posted : Well, I don't have the router or any networking devices that support the 2.5 GbE LAN or WiFi 6 (802.11ax). My router is just an ASUS RT-AC1900P (10/100/1000 LAN, 802.11ac 2.4/5GHz.) So, this is just a useless feature and not a good selling point for me.

I don't know anything about chipsets all though I do see the X570 has PCIe 4.0 and the other has PCIe 3.0. I don't think any of my devices are PCIe 4.0 compatible and are being bottle necked with the PCIe 3.0.