Frontier Communications → Re: [FiberOptic] Frontier to offer 2gbps in early 2022

Hurricane Electric isn't an option for me on speedtest.net for some reason. I am shocked that you are seeing those speeds for download.

I have 1 Gbps service and I can only get about 400/700 to various New York targets.

I have 1G / 1G. I was able to get 850 / 850 via speedtest to Optimum's server in New York City.

Thanks. I am surprised you got that download speed. Frontier fios is the only fiber company that i've personally had issues getting "what I pay for speeds" outside of my state. I've had century link fiber / at&t fiber / verizon fios and they all never degrade speed like Frontier, thought they might have it working better for their 2G service but seems like upload still is impacted somehow

This, exactly.

I have brought this up before and have been told by diehards of this forum that it’s normal. It’s not normal.

Yeah it's not normal for "normal" network operators but for Frontier it's their normal, bahaha. Also terrible latency due to no carrier hotels but for ones in Miami that adds an extra 20+ ms to everything if not more. Terribad.

Frontier's backhaul network has never been great in some areas, but it has improved over the years. It's not nearly as bad as it used to be. The acquired areas had some network issues over the years, especially the Northwest corner that got sold off. Lots of speed issues were happening along the west coast for a long time, there were so many posts here about that. It only really got fixed leading up to their sale. CT also had some congestion issues for a short period at one point, not to mention the random times there were outages leading to the outside maybe once(rarely twice) a year for a few years. The CT link was upgraded a few years ago though.

Things have gotten a lot better, but there is still some work to do to be on the same standard as the other big networks. The lack of IPV6 is also telling. Frontier will need to do many changes(not just network wise) if they want to prove they're one of the 'big guys' in the ISP landscape. The company overall is a bit of a disaster still, and I hope that changes over time. The network could definitely be worse though, as it was in the past when the standards were pretty low.

Pre bankruptcy management was shitty. At one point they said that 6 megabit DSL was "good enough".

The poor management goes back many years. My dad did an audit there in the 90s, when they were known as Citizens Utilities. They owned a whole variety of decently performing utilities in a variety of areas (power/water/gas/phone) across the country. The CEO decided to sell all those off and focus on telephone service, right as the internet was exploding. I doubt their timing could be have been worse.

I remember visiting their offices when I was six or seven a few times when it was still Citizens.

6Mbps? I remember being on here arguing with someone that 3Mbps DSL with 5GB/m data caps wasn't enough. I would argue that I could burn through the entire cap just by playing TF2 on a 32-player server for a weekend. Or 128 Tick CS:Go. I did that easily when my Verizon DSL was out for three days over LTE. NO video or game updates - just CS:Go.

That was also during the time where Frontier was having chronic nightly congestion problems in my area. I'm sure it was a cascaded problem between the Remote DSLAM (Adtran TA3000) and the CO, the CO itself (according to the techs), and then numerous problems out in Rochester, NY (according to the techs again). I also remember when Frontier had paths to New Jersey as well as Chicago, and then started sending all traffic through Ashburn for a while, which also added to the congested mess. A decade ago wasn't a good time...

Frontier outages at the Wallingford hub were common. Seems silly to wire your backhaul into one location.

Unlike Comcast, Frontier doesn't do peering in Boston, so everything has to hop from Wallingford to Secacus and then most likely Ashburn.

Historical from SNET days. Meriden CO had extra space, was geographically & fiber wise centrally located so they put the IP routers there with an uplink to sprint (Later Williams Comm which is now Lumen) in Stamford. The topology was continued by AT&T when they introduced U-verse.