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fixrman
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Re: How long to discover a weird feature on your car?

That's not why there are there, Jim. It is so they see you. Many people are fairly oblivious drivers.

Also, recongise that DRLs are not the same as headlamps. A lot of vehicles have only DRL illumination when the switch is set to "Auto". This generally does not turn on the rear lamps, side lamps or running lamps. This is why people who drive with the switch set in "Auto" end up driving around being less than visible in low light conditions; people cannot see them from behind, particularly during dusk/twilght.

Jim Gurd
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Livonia, MI

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said by fixrman:

It is so they see you.

That was precisely my point. If they can't see me in the daylight without my lights on, they have no business being on the road. To me, DRLs are a solution in search of a problem.

Personally, I wish more cars would simply come with automatic headlights. I had a 2002 Ford Explorer with that feature, and it worked really well. It seems like a far better idea than DRLs.

kevinds
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Calgary, AB

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said by Jim Gurd:

If they can't see me in the daylight without my lights on,

Just because it is daytime doesn't mean there is daylight everywhere.

But I do agree.. Vehicles that use the low-beam headlights as daytime running lights are really annoying.. The headlights do not have long lifetimes. Some vehicles they are not easy to change.

My current vehicle uses the amber 'marker' lights, so much cheaper.
fixrman
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said by Jim Gurd:

Personally, I wish more cars would simply come with automatic headlights.

Automatic Headlights often are not the same as Automatic Lights; by that, I mean Automatic Headlights usually rely on an AS (Ambient Sensor) to determine if all the lights should be on. In low light conditions, that means that the rear lamps will not be illuminated, a safety issue.

I agree that DRLs are less of a solution, but they are driven by Insurecos: they have found that they pay fewer claims from vehicles that have DRLs.

But an ambient light sensor is not effective in lower light conditions when rear running lamps should be on. Certain colours of cars are very difficult to see in low light conditions if they do not have their tail lamps on, and Automatics Headlamps may turn them on, but not always.

What I yearn for are drivers who recognise lower light and reduced visibility conditions and respond accordingly, without relying on a machine or a gadget to do it for them.

The "smarter" vehicles, phones and homes get, the dumber the general population gets.

Interestingly, you get a discount on your Auto Insurance bill if your car has ABS, but the numbers say that people who have a car with ABS are 65% more likely to have a fatal car crash than without. Two reasons:

1. People think they can stop more quickly with ABS, which is totally false.

2. Many people drive more aggressively when they have a vehicle with ABS.

ABS is only present on vehicle to preserve steering capability and directional control when they are in a hard braking event. Steer around the obstacle while braking - but almost no one does this.

Thane_Bitter
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Often its rigged to the High beam filament which burns at a fraction of its normal intensity which is much weaker than standard low beams, at any rate the wear and tear on that filament is still low.

IMHO the ambers lit up looks good on most classic cars.

However now that a lot of cars use HID/LED or other system and have very small slit lamps even if the light is low its very concentrated coming out of those light fixtures and can be annoying. The newer bug faces Corollas are a prime example, if you are in a low or smaller car those DRL's are rather annoying on the eyes even at high noon.

And then you have those dipshit drivers that drive day or night with their high beams on all the time, I swear they do it because they like the blue indicator lit up on their dash or because they are so fat they hit the lever or switch as they insert themselves into the vehicle. I am leaning more on the latter since its often these folks that like to do apex turns (wide turns) swerving in the opposite direction before they turn because they can't rotate the steering wheel enough (either because weak or flappy arms).

For oddball features on one car if the wipers are set on intermittent they will cycle when the gas peddle is tapped - I suspect the idea was so that a driver would be able to see if the windscreen had a lot of accumulated rain/snow.
fixrman
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fixrman

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said by Thane_Bitter:

And then you have those dipshit drivers that drive day or night with their high beams on all the time, I swear they do it because they like the blue indicator lit up on their dash or because they are so fat they hit the lever or switch as they insert themselves into the vehicle. I am leaning more on the latter since its often these folks that like to do apex turns (wide turns) swerving in the opposite direction before they turn because they can't rotate the steering wheel enough (either because weak or flappy arms).

Fixrman's Golden Wrench Award™! High beams and buttonhook turns! Well done!

kevinds
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Calgary, AB

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said by Thane_Bitter:

Often its rigged to the High beam filament which burns at a fraction of its normal intensity which is much weaker than standard low beams, at any rate the wear and tear on that filament is still low.

Not in my last vehicle... 'Good' lights were rated x hours and I needed to constantly change the low-beam headlights.

I started getting 'cheap', longer life low-beams, because changing them, was a challenge...
said by Thane_Bitter:

And then you have those dipshit drivers that drive day or night with their high beams on all the time, I swear they do it because they like the blue indicator lit up on their dash

I figured it was because they believe the headlights are off if the blue light isn't lit..

Thane_Bitter
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Interesting, what make?

Yea it can be a PITA to do but I would rather spend hours getting dirty than having to spend a fortune having the entire LED headlamp unit replaced.

kevinds
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GMC Acadia

Was easiest to take the front tires off, but it *could* be done just twisting the wheel.

seaquake
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said by fixrman:

Also, recongise that DRLs are not the same as headlamps

said by fixrman:

This is why people who drive with the switch set in "Auto" end up driving around being less than visible in low light conditions; people cannot see them from behind, particularly during dusk/twilght.

We have a handful of folks around here who don't use the auto position and their DRLs are bright enough that they don't realize they need to turn their lights on. As such, they have no tail lights on the highway and wonder why people are flashing and honking at them.

And as mentioned further down, the a-holes who don't turn off their high beams. There's a dude I see in a Corolla several times a week who gets onto the highway via a clover-leave entrance ramp and progresses to blind everyone for his commute. Speed limit is 55, which he/she is very close to doing when the flow of traffic is up near 70. I guess the saving grace is he/she stays in the right lane.

Jim Gurd
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Livonia, MI

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said by fixrman:

The "smarter" vehicles, phones and homes get, the dumber the general population gets.

You'll get no argument from me on that!! This is one reason I detest a lot of these "safety" devices like lane departure, blind spot monitoring, and rear view cameras (and the camera does come in handy once in a while). They make people dumber, less skilled drivers.
fixrman
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said by Jim Gurd:

This is one reason I detest a lot of these "safety" devices like lane departure

I found lane departure to be very disconcerting and annoying on the Volvos I drove. Terrible steering feedback.

Well Bonded
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Labelle, FL
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said by Jim Gurd:

That was precisely my point. If they can't see me in the daylight without my lights on, they have no business being on the road. To me, DRLs are a solution in search of a problem.

I guess you have never seen how a light colored vehicle can disappear from view when the sun is shining from behind it.
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said by fixrman:

ABS is only present on vehicle to preserve steering capability and directional control when they are in a hard braking event. Steer around the obstacle while braking - but almost no one does this.

I had a coworker try that and didn't do well.

He was speeding on I-95 while pulling a power unit with a pintle hitch, not paying attention he suddenly noticed all lanes ahead of him where stopped dead, he was going to rear end someone hard.

So he did a hard right went off the road, the power unit didn't like that move and flipped his U-Body truck twice.

That was his second measured collision in three years, the company fired him and the Union could not get him his job back.

Oops, moral of the story, don't speed and pay attention while driving.
fixrman
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fixrman

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Hear, hear! The trailer is what did him in.