Topic 'Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you?' in forum 'Canadian Broadband'

Topic 'Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you?' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4364002 en Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:10:27 EDT Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:10:27 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4378911 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4378911 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:03:44 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4378831 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4378831 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:58:33 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4377010 said by DKS:

Thanks. I don't do IRC. No need.

Then, please, I beg you, don't claim the link doesn't work, because it works, you're just too scared and you are the one who doesn't want it to work!
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Thanks. I don't do IRC. No need.

Probably because there's no TOS for IRC right. You'd get chewed up and spit out on irc. Remember it's not moderated, Thank God.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4376356 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:07:11 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4376131 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4376131 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:47:24 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4375891
P.S. Lawyers/liars/sharks do have sense of humours. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4375891 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:23:39 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4375654 2. Close your browser
3. Re-open Browser (IE picks up irc:// links)
4. Re-click the link]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4375654 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:00:51 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4375628 --
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I highly doubt that they are port throttling, but I believe IF, IF, IF, it could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt (absolutely nothing to refute the evidence) they would be liable for this.

Won't be proved and it won't happen so none of you get any ideas now! :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4375492 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:46:30 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4373021 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4373021 Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:41:05 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4370516 said by sbrook:

And this is their justification to port throttle. Which means that for the better throughput for the many, they will throttle the few doing P2P.

Simple.

sympatico wouldn't port throttle, it is just extra money for them...port throttling is only being done by ISP's with higher/unlimited bandwidth limits.
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Out of 8 lawyers I've known ... 2 had problems ... their personal life and problems got in the way of their judgement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4369860 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:57:45 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4369801 said by Hashimoto:

A sense of humor appreciated by many, as opposed to a sense of humor of some ppl, u cannot deny that this joke isn't mostly true. ;)

Actually, it's not true at all. And I know a number of lawyers; men and women who have given me excellent advice over the years.
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said by Hashimoto:
hehe...how do u know if a lawyer is lying??
u c if his lips r moving. :p

Tell that to the next lawyer you meet. I'm sure he or she will be really impressed with your wonderful sense of humour! They might even discount your bill for sharing that little gem! ;)

A sense of humor appreciated by many, as opposed to a sense of humor of some ppl, u cannot deny that this joke isn't mostly true. ;)
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said by bell terms of service:
but will make every reasonable effort to ensure the highest possible quality of service is always delivered

And this is their justification to port throttle. Which means that for the better throughput for the many, they will throttle the few doing P2P.

Simple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4369451 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 21:17:33 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4369222 said by jimby:

The above described actions are not Shaw’s exclusive remedies and Shaw may take any other legal or technical action it deems appropriate.

Yup. That's their escape clause. They can initiate port throttling and not say anything, either.
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hehe...how do u know if a lawyer is lying??
u c if his lips r moving. :p

Tell that to the next lawyer you meet. I'm sure he or she will be really impressed with your wonderful sense of humour! They might even discount your bill for sharing that little gem! ;)
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i don't think bell would port throttle anyway...i have never noticed it when using P2P programs (i get 127K/s all the time), and why would they port throttle when any extra bandwidth is just more money for them...it's like the 401, you can go as fast as you want, if you can afford the tickets :)

Hahah, you got it wrong.... Bell is like the 401, until you get to the last and only exit that leads to the 407 ETR. And there are no U-turns.
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DId you try news groups??? It suck big time with VIF, it's same speed as a 33.6modem!(another good raison the leave)

Hhehe, yeah. I've been getting for the last 3 months a "we're working on it". Takes alot of time switching from a Pull feed from Giganews to their own server. Both at the same time (like now) is a complete mess sometimes going at 100k/s and others at 3k/s :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4368124 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:46:00 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4367539 said by DaJatt:

Ya, Hashimoto, understand him. He sees good liars in action so he has become one of em, you just can't beat him at this.

hehe...how do u know if a lawyer is lying??
u c if his lips r moving. :p
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Sympatico had the smallest percentage of customer satisfaction in 2001, and probably in 2002 too in Quebec, I already quoted this in another post.
A lot of ppl actually susbscribe to sympatico because they don't know that there's other companies, 3 of my friends are like that, and they will be changing isps when the 25$/month offer ends.
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If they really wanted to take care of their customers properly, they would offer better service dude. No office, but ISP have no controls over their routers because Bell does not want to give them control .

the service is obviously pretty good as there are over 900,000 customers using it, and constantly growing...and for the last time, i already stated that almost all ISP's have their own equipment and routing, either through themselves or through a reselling agreement through another provider. it has nothing to do with bell. period.
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they are right, many problems are caused by Bell, the local loop.

i have yet to see any problems caused by the local loop...it is almost always routing that affects pings, network congestion which affects speeds or the odd bad modem or filter.

look through the hundreds of threads in here and you will see that almost all of the threads with trace route problems in it, do not use nexxia in their routing, they are usually the ISP's own network or a 3rd party that is reselling their network to that ISP.

and most of the threads recently complaining about speeds and congestion are not sympatico, they are other ISP's.

so the local loop as important as it is (required to have the connection), rarely is it the cause of the problem (i don't think i have ever read a thread where the local loop was the problem).
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U took this thing too literally. There's no mention of port throttling anywhere in the TOS, therefore they can't use that paragraph u quoted when they port throttle, as was explained before.

Ho, man. Never been in civil court, have you? A good lawyer could make the Bell TOS sound like a Papal Mass! And it would take about five minutes.
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A faulty TOS isn't the be-all, end-all, and that would be the case if only that paragraph is mentioned in the TOS, and there's nothing about the ISP decreasing ur speed on purpose.

A 'faulty" TOS? ROTFL! The only person who can judge it "faulty" is a judge in court. So go ahead. Take Bell to court for a faulty TOS.
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ok, you are being stupid. Are you an idiot? That paragraph does not cover restricting speeds on ports intentionally. Port throttling is an intentional restriction on a service, much like a bandwidth usage cap. Sure, if the user's only argument is that his speeds are bad, then the ISP will say they dont guarantee speeds (and the reason for this is obvious, the internet has many bottlenecks that ISP's cannot control). In this case, the speed is an INTENTIONAL thing. If the ISP one day decides, screw you, I dont like your bandwidth usage, I'm throttling ALL your bandwidth to 10KB/s, yet the ToS does not say that if you use too much bandwidth, your connection will be throttled, then that is WRONG. You can try and argue with it all you like. You're just another Bell lacky trying to defend your company (which this thread wasn't even about!).

So do everyone a favor, and take your Bell Sympatico ToS and shove it up your ass sideways.

No, I'm not being stupid. I just see the logic Bell can use with us. And as I've said before, I don't work for Bell and I don't work in the telecom industry.
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If u have proof that an ISP is port throttling, and they don't mention it in their TOS, they can't fall back on that paragraph.

said by DKS:
The TOS is the be-all and end-all. Whether you or I think it's correct or not, the TOS and the argument "speed isn't guaranteed" is the line that Support can and will use. The method of restricting speed is irrelevant. The end result is all that matters. And that's what gets explained.

A faulty TOS isn't the be-all, end-all, and that would be the case if only that paragraph is mentioned in the TOS, and there's nothing about the ISP decreasing ur speed on purpose.

lol..that was funny and true Bender... I agree with everything u said :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4366100 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:15:43 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4366098
So do everyone a favor, and take your Bell Sympatico ToS and shove it up your ass sideways.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4366098 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:15:19 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4366094 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4366094 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:14:42 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365998 said by dirtyjeffer:

it doesn't matter anyway, most IPS's will just blame bell for any problems they are having, so they will never really have to do anything about it.

I guess you work at Bell to defend this company? If they really wanted to take care of their customers properly, they would offer better service dude. No office, but ISP have no controls over their routers because Bell does not want to give them control .

But now, they just can't handle it... it's frusttrating when you pay 80$ for a 3mb or 44$ for 1mb and it doesn't work properly...

Peace,

TigerLord]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365998 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:01:34 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365984 said by Bender2000:

Agreed, if a user calls up and says my speed sucks, then they're shit out of luck since the ToS discusses speeds. However, if the user determines that it's the port that is restricting the speed, then the isp has some explaining to do. This cicrumstance should be included in the ToS. No IFS ANDS or BUTS.

Nope. The TOS is the be-all and end-all. Whether you or I think it's correct or not, the TOS and the argument "speed isn't guaranteed" is the line that Support can and will use. The method of restricting speed is irrelevant. The end result is all that matters. And that's what gets explained.
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Agreed, if a user calls up and says my speed sucks, then they're shit out of luck since the ToS discusses speeds. However, if the user determines that it's the port that is restricting the speed, then the isp has some explaining to do. This cicrumstance should be included in the ToS. No IFS ANDS or BUTS.

Personally, I dont give a rats ass about p2p. It's not where I use my bandwidth anyways. In principle however, it should be included in the ToS that certain port restrictions apply (or that p2p is not allowed)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365742 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:23:38 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365553 --
"The bitterness of poor quality lasts long after the low price is forgotten."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365553 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:00:13 EDT Re: Is your ISP 'port throttling' you? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365519 said by Bender2000:

The user agreement states it doesnt guarantee speeds. They don't mention anything about port throttling. While speed is involved, in the case of port throttling, the isp is intentionally causing speeds to be low. this is not covered under that section of the ToS that you posted.

Wake up and read the TOS. Port throttling equals a decline in speed. If your speed goes down (and if indeed they are port throttling; I have no proof that Bell does), and you complain, Bell can point to this section. They can easily say "Sorry, no guarantees. Read the TOS." The consumer has no recourse.

Is that clear? Or do I need to write it in CAPS?

I'm not defending Bell, just pointing out what is their possible position based on their published documents.
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maybe that is their way of giving you unlimited downloads...by throttling your speeds, you are not able to transfer as much data, which saves the ISP money. it would be like removing all the speed limits everywhere but the only vehicles you can drive are mopeds...so you can still do as much as you want, but you are certainly limited by the vehicle you are riding.

Yeah, but its a more sneaky way of doing things... As I don't use P2P much myself, I think I would rather see port throttling on the P2P ports rather than set monthly transfer caps, because I have ways of getting my files elsewhere...
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I'm beginning to conclude that you wrote this TOS for bell. Did they pay you well?

Nope. I just know how to read, unlike others around here.
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If speeds aren't guaranteed, the consumer has no complaints about speed. Therefore if Bell institutes port throttling and the user complains about poor speed, the Service Agreement is their explanation.
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Few e-mail that they never answered....

VIF is already expensive compared to AEI and some others, paying another 5$/m for tunel is !@#$%^./

Just tell them that is your last month with them. BTW, they stop port throttling during the morning. but during peek hour you wont get more than 1k/s!

Rac.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Is-your-ISP-port-throttling-you-4365428 Sun, 08 Sep 2002 12:42:08 EDT