Topic 'Re: RIAA is mighty' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7057674 en Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:10:32 EDT Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:10:32 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7318241 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7318241 Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:21:57 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7298583 said by stateq2:
I think people would rather download individual songs that they like, instead of buying a whole cd for a couple of songs. Before internet, people would be forced to buy either singles or an entire album. Napster was invented to counter this. The itunes program is a very good idea, but the price should be cut in half.

Oh, I have no doubt that's what people want, but that doesn't justify free downloading, if that's what you're suggesting. They would be smart to move the business plan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7298583 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 04:53:12 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7296580 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7296580 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:34:50 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7282869 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7282869 Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:55:18 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7256173 said by BiG_Lou:
said by AmeritecTech:
The RIAA doesn't control the music industry. The music industry controls the RIAA.


The music industry I speak of is the people buying the CD...not the record labels/groups/corporations, etc, in case you interpreted it differently. In any case, the RIAA *does* control those who buy their CD's. We all know that the majority of music-listeners support P2P and *hate* the RIAA. We all wish for lower CD prices, etc, but what have we to show for it? Kids being sued for creating and using P2P programs. So how are we controlling the RIAA?

The RIAA exists because piracy exists. If everyone just bought CD's instead of using P2P, there would be little need for an RIAA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7256173 Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:35:53 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7250090 said by AmeritecTech:
The RIAA doesn't control the music industry. The music industry controls the RIAA.


The music industry I speak of is the people buying the CD...not the record labels/groups/corporations, etc, in case you interpreted it differently. In any case, the RIAA *does* control those who buy their CD's. We all know that the majority of music-listeners support P2P and *hate* the RIAA. We all wish for lower CD prices, etc, but what have we to show for it? Kids being sued for creating and using P2P programs. So how are we controlling the RIAA?
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their are no stupid questions, just inquisitive idiots]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7096102 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:36:33 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7095947 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7095947 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:21:30 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7095899
Consider Aimee Mann, who continues to be extremely succesful without major label backing.

»www.aimeemann.com/
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their are no stupid questions, just inquisitive idiots]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7095877 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:13:55 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7093771 said by AmeritecTech:
There is another alternative, CenTex. The artists could open a studio and cut the CD themselves. Too expensive? Need someone else's cash investment? EXACTLY. If you want someone else's money and studio, you have to play by their rules.


YES! or flip hamburgers like the rest of us and fund it yourself.
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If you willingly make a deal with the devil, and want to cry foul later, my sympathy is gone.
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A music industry case study

A look at a mythical rock band's earnings, with actual figures compiled from industry sources:
New York City's hottest new band is Grunthead, a four-piece hard rock group from Maspeth. Because they've got buzz, the band gets a 15% royalty rate, a few points above the usual amount for a new artist.
Its debut, "Gruntastic," goes gold – only 128 of more than 30,000 records reached that level in 2002.
The Gold Record Gross: 500,000 albums sell at $16.98 = $8,490,000 The Grunts' royalty is 15% of retail. That's $1,273,500.
But the Contract calls for "packaging deductions" of 25%, so the gross drops to $6,367,500. Then there's promotional albums and giveaways the labels give to wholesalers, retailers, radio and the press. That's a "free goods" charge of 15%, so the gross drops another to $5,094,000. So, the band's royalty is actually: $764,100. The record company keeps the packaging and "free goods" funds. After collecting a $9.99 wholesale price, it also reaps an additional $829,900. The $3,500,000 balance goes to retailers, assuming they sell the record for list price.
Because the band was hot, they got an advance from the record company of $300,000. They spent $200,000 of that recording the album, which included a $50,000 advance to the producer. They pocketed the remaining $100,000. Additionally, the label spent $100,000 making the band's first video, which got them played on MTV2. The band owes all of this money back to the label.
So the royalty drops to $364,100.
But the band's producer also earned a 4% royalty of $203,760, of which he already received $50,000. So the band has to pay him an additional $153,760, reducing their royalty to $210,340.
After pocketing $310,340 (which includes the remaining $100,000 of the advance), the band has to pay their manager 15%, or $46,551, and give 2% of the total deal, or $101,880, to the power lawyer who got them the deal in the first place. That takes the band down to $161,909.
That's not bad money, but it's split four ways, or $40,477.25 each, about the same as a city sanitation worker with two years' experience, without health benefits, vacation and retirement fund. But with, of course, groupies.

Originally published on February 19, 2003 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7090239 Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:24:19 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7087158 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7087158 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:18:46 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7086986 That is as long as the ISP's keep a record of all the sites you visit.......If Verizon didn't keep a list of the sites and your IP address on record then there would be no problem.......................................]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7086986 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:00:34 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7082890 --
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I hope Verizon wins music should be free in the first place, the only reason RIAA should get paid for it is because they provide the CD to put the music on, if we download on our computers then they provided nothing and should get paid accordingly. it is like water bills, the only reason they get paid is because they have the pippes that they payed for, and we use if you went to a river for all of your water you "should" be able to stop paying the water bill. Not that im saying go to the river and get a drink LoL.

That is the stupidest anti-RIAA argument I've ever heard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7082785 Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:23:28 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7082545 said by OCSVirus:
I hope Verizon wins music should be free in the first place, the only reason RIAA should get paid for it is because they provide the CD to put the music on, if we download on our computers then they provided nothing and should get paid accordingly. it is like water bills, the only reason they get paid is because they have the pippes that they payed for, and we use if you went to a river for all of your water you "should" be able to stop paying the water bill. Not that im saying go to the river and get a drink LoL.


umm.. the RIAA has nothing to do with the production of music or CDS.
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except that the RIAA has petitioned the government to be allowed to use normally illegal methods, including hackers hired to attack peer to peer networks.

i don't see why it would be illegal for RIAA scouts to scour p2p networks looking for infringers, but I trust the courts will sort that out.

That's not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about hackers hired to take down p2p networks using Denial of Service attacks and other normally illegal methods.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7065321 Sun, 08 Jun 2003 14:58:00 EDT Re: RIAA is mighty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RIAA-is-mighty-7065277 except that the RIAA has petitioned the government to be allowed to use normally illegal methods, including hackers hired to attack peer to peer networks.

i don't see why it would be illegal for RIAA scouts to scour p2p networks looking for infringers, but I trust the courts will sort that out.
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It's beautiful. I truly hope they bring legal action against those names they find to be engaging in infringing activites.

Law is law. Flame away!
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