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CKY
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2003-Jun-22 7:05 pm
Fix this, change that.We all know Canada is the finest nation is the Milky Way, but I wonder, what do you guys think Canada needs to improve on, or work on in the next 25 years to progress itself?
For me, I think Canada needs to improve its military. Our lack of “fight might” is very sad. We have to stop free riding on America’s coat tale. I don’t think we need to be a military super power, but we need more troops and some major upgrades in our vehicles.
Second I think Canada needs a foreign spy agency. Seriously now, are we the only nation is the world that doesn’t have a foreign spy agency?!
Third, we need to diversify! Make no mistake, our relationship with America has helped make us the great country we are today, but I see no harm in trying to expand our exports/imports a little more. It’s really a deadly dance that we are playing; I think India and China will in the next 50 years emerge to be the next “super-powers” maybe we should try to diversify more in Asia.
There are more, but I’ll let you guys try your hand. Of course all of this stuff is “easier said then done” type of scenarios, but there is no harm is thinking up and discussing things. |
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1) Increase techology infrastructure. We could benefit from more wireless access points, Broadband in every community, etc.
2) More social programs. Hospitals & Education could use a shot of extra funding
3) Less government bailouts for major corporations. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen and let someone else do the job. |
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Export some of your good-looking women south?  |
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julez_atfBleep Bleep
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Not a chance buddy! :P |
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2003-Jun-22 7:31 pm
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More training programs for those who aspire to learn trades.
The elimination of coal powered generating facilities.
An aggressive debt repayment plan.
EI reforms like allowing the long term employed to dip into their contributions for skills training.
Elimination of income taxes, replaced by consumption taxes.
Transform our healthcare system from a treatment based system to a prevention based system.
User pays systems for harmful transportation such as SOV's (single occupant vehicles), SUV's, cars in general, airlines, etc |
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More than anything else, we need a leader. A guy like John Diefenbaker or Lester B. Pearson. This country will continue to go in the same direction until we do.
A true leader will facilitate change. Without one, this country will continue on the same course.
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2003-Jun-22 8:41 pm
said by MacGyver:
More than anything else, we need a leader. A guy like John Diefenbaker or Lester B. Pearson. This country will continue to go in the same direction until we do.
I'm not so sure we are going in a bad direction. I guess you aren't a fan of the Liberals eh? julez_atf: Hospitals & Education could always use more money! I say, bring in private health care or a hybrid version. As for more wireless access points, I know the states have really boomed in this area last year. Steve: I thought long and hard about this. My conclusion is… no way.  MarkZ: Interesting points, but what do you mean by a treatment based system to a prevention based system? I am not familiar with that.... I have another idea, we need to implement infrastructure to gather, and reserve our fresh water supplies. Something tells me in the future, water will be what oil is today. We have a lot up north if I’m not mistaken. But we aren’t doing much to harness it. |
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 WWMDivi filius
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2003-Jun-22 9:23 pm
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1) Get rid of welfare immediately 2) With the money saved, use it to help people who actually deserve it with tax cuts for the working class 3) More funding for healthcare That's all that's really needed. There's a few things I'd like to see but isn't necessary like FTTH |
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Mark Z
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2003-Jun-22 9:23 pm
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said by CKY:
MarkZ: Interesting points, but what do you mean by a treatment based system to a prevention based system? I am not familiar with that....
I have another idea, we need to implement infrastructure to gather, and reserve our fresh water supplies. Something tells me in the future, water will be what oil is today. We have a lot up north if I’m not mistaken. But we aren’t doing much to harness it.
Sweden (as a small socialist country) puts a premium on preventing people from getting sick in the first place, rather than looking the other way until they do get sick and they paying major $$$ to treat the sickness. Thats what I would like to see here, and it is 180 degrees from what we currently have. Great point about the water! I would suggest strong conservation measures domestically, while acknowledging the fact that water will soon become a commodity. That said, F**k Free Trade and NAFTA, OUR water is OUR water!!! Canada and Canadians (through our governments, not corporations)will best manage its redistribution to the dryer countries (OnTopic RANT: the US is not a dry country, it is just a water pig like us but with 10Xs the people, thus they too should be forced to conserve what they have instead of using NAFTA & Free-Trade against us) |
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said by CKY:
I'm not so sure we are going in a bad direction. I guess you aren't a fan of the Liberals eh?
Are you? Because if the Liberals were so great, why'd you start this thread, asking for suggestions? Need some ideas for the party platform? Whoops, can't do that, those "other" parties already "stole" them. You'll just have to do something different to spite them. Whoops again, that's how we ended up in this mess! LOL. |
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said by CKY:
MarkZ: Interesting points, but what do you mean by a treatment based system to a prevention based system? I am not familiar with that....
I have another idea, we need to implement infrastructure to gather, and reserve our fresh water supplies. Something tells me in the future, water will be what oil is today. We have a lot up north if I’m not mistaken. But we aren’t doing much to harness it.
Sweden (as a small socialist country)
Sweden is not a socialist country.....Sweden is a constitutional monarchy with a representative democracy based on a parliamentary system. The affairs of Government are decided by a Cabinet of Ministers, which lead by a Prime Minister. The Cabinet and the Prime Minister are responisble for their actions against the Parliament of Sweden. (Culled fron Google search)
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said by gordon210:
Sweden is not a socialist country.....Sweden is a constitutional monarchy with a representative democracy based on a parliamentary system. The affairs of Government are decided by a Cabinet of Ministers, which lead by a Prime Minister. The Cabinet and the Prime Minister are responisble for their actions against the Parliament of Sweden. (Culled fron Google search)
And from the CIA factbook: "Sweden has achieved an enviable standard of living under a mixed system of high-tech capitalism and extensive welfare benefits. It has a modern distribution system, excellent internal and external communications, and a skilled labor force. Timber, hydropower, and iron ore constitute the resource base of an economy heavily oriented toward foreign trade. Privately owned firms account for about 90% of industrial output, of which the engineering sector accounts for 50% of output and exports." Private ownership of the means of production is forbidden under socialism - one reason why socialism doesn't work. |
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1) stop substidizing companies we don't really need (air canada)
2) streamline spending, we have plenty of tax dollars coming in, just need to manage how they are spent
3) give more control to the provinces, and less to ottawa
they are so far away from most parts of canada and have no idea what's going on. the provinces gov's know better how to spend money and where.
4) SCRAP the military, have a small force of say 2000 for peacekeeping missions around the world, 1000 stay here for training, 1000 leave, to give them a break.
face it, we DON'T need defence with americans as our neighbours, it'd be better to have a small force max of say 5000 troops who could be highly mobile, base them out of winnipeg and have all 5000 troops available by airlifting to anywhere in the country in 24 hours for civil disturbancs etc.
5) stiffen up immigration, and make a point to NOT allow these illegal immigrants to claim refugee status for bogus reasons
6) play hard ball against the yankees, if they are going to impose lumber tariffs on us, we should impose "california produce" tariffs on them. this free trade agreement is a joke, we might as well gain somewhat from it. sure, the we might be paying more now, but when they know that we're not going to be passive about all their crazy rules, maybe they'll back down
7) allow exportation of fresh water, with the exception of pipelines (ex: boat, train, truck)
8) allow paid health care, i see NO downsides to this.
a) shorter lines for joe average canadian
b) more high paying jobs available, keep those skilled canadians in canada
c) more tax dollars as revenue coming in
d) keep the money in canada, better than having Ritchie Rich fly down to denver to get an operation if he could have had it up here
9) re-instate capital punishment
10) eliminate welfare, assigned jobs are much more effective and EVERYONE can do SOMETHING well, whether its flipping burgers, delivering papers or sealing envelopes, theres a job for EVERYONE
11) GET RID OF THE DAMN GST
12)don't give so much land and money to the natives, they have enough, get rid of these corrupt chiefs instead! |
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digitalfuturSees More Than Shown
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said by CKY:
We all know Canada is the finest nation is the Milky Way, but I wonder, what do you guys think Canada needs to improve on, or work on in the next 25 years to progress itself?
You make some good points in your post but as long as power is concentrated in the PMO's office (i.e. executive and legislative branch), and as long as a majority government can exist with a minority of votes cast, nothing will change. Except the slow but steady economic integration of Canada with the U.S. |
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I've said this for many years that the country needs to start producing more. Stop sending your natural resources to other countries then have the finished products sold back to us at inflated prices. This effort would also give us work and a standing in the world market. I want to see "Made in Canada" on everything. |
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digitalfuturSees More Than Shown
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said by CKY:
For me, I think Canada needs to improve its military. Our lack of “fight might” is very sad. We have to stop free riding on America’s coat tale. I don’t think we need to be a military super power, but we need more troops and some major upgrades in our vehicles.
Yes ! "The embarrassing crash of a Sea King helicopter aboard a navy ship is sounding alarms about whether sailors and pilots are adequately prepared for emergencies. Investigators have found that a major firefighting system on the destroyer HMCS Iroquois could not be used in the Feb. 27 incident because the operator did not understand how it worked. And a second such system failed because testing procedures were so poorly designed they did not reveal a long-standing mechanical fault. ...An Iroquois crew member pulled a handle to trigger the ship's primary firefighting system to spread a dry chemical and foam. Nothing happened. Investigators later determined that cables had been installed incorrectly, even though routine maintenance earlier indicated they were functional, the documents show.The maintenance procedures "lacked any provision for testing and proving [that] the pull stations would trip the nitrogen cylinder activation mechanisms," says a navy report. A crew member then pressed a button to trigger a backup system, but was unaware it requires between 35 and 40 seconds to respond. When there was no immediate response, he pressed the button again — unaware that this only shut down the system.He pressed the button four more times, each time unaware that he was turning it on and off, investigators found. Console light bulbs that might have alerted the operator to the problem were burned out." » www.theglobeandmail.com/ ··· ational/It would be nice to believe that it's an isolated incident, sadly it is not. However, the average voter is zero-impacted by the state of the Canadian military, so, except for a brief period in the 1980s, the decline of the Canadian military has continued since the 1960s, with no end in sight. |
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Mark Z
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said by gordon210:
Sweden (as a small socialist country)
Sweden is not a socialist country.....Sweden is a constitutional monarchy with a representative democracy based on a parliamentary system. The affairs of Government are decided by a Cabinet of Ministers, which lead by a Prime Minister. The Cabinet and the Prime Minister are responisble for their actions against the Parliament of Sweden. (Culled fron Google search)
Who cares? I was refering to their social services, not their corporations or government. |
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said by Mark Z:
More training programs for those who aspire to learn trades.
The elimination of coal powered generating facilities.
An aggressive debt repayment plan.
EI reforms like allowing the long term employed to dip into their contributions for skills training.
Elimination of income taxes, replaced by consumption taxes.
Transform our healthcare system from a treatment based system to a prevention based system.
User pays systems for harmful transportation such as SOV's (single occupant vehicles), SUV's, cars in general, airlines, etc
Holy cow.  My heart!!! MarkZ and I actually think the same way on some things. I really like that idea about EI reforms. I've been a long time proponent of a flat consumption tax policy. I would also make 20% of the House of Commons reserved for proportional government. In other words, divide that 20% up among the parties in direct proportion to the percentage of the national vote they got in the last election. |
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said by MacGyver:
Are you? Because if the Liberals were so great, why'd you start this thread, asking for suggestions? Need some ideas for the party platform? Whoops, can't do that, those "other" parties already "stole" them. You'll just have to do something different to spite them. Whoops again, that's how we ended up in this mess! LOL.
Nah, I wouldn't consider myself to be a hardcore liberal or anything. May only problem is, opposition parties my not be so bad, but it’s the opposition leaders that scare me off. emmpeethree: Lot's of ideas! But scrap the military? tsk tsk. You can't play hard ball against the yankees and then expect them to protect us. As a sovereign nation we need our own military. I like your 7. and 3. MarkZ: While the US may not seem to be a water dry country, more and more people are moving to places like New Mexico and Arizona. A.k.a. the desert! I’ve already heard of disputes between states concerning water. Things will get nasty in the future. I better store up on ice cubes while the y still last! digitalfutur: Right you are. I was going to mention limiting the PM's powers as one of my suggestions. And yeah that Sea King helicopter fiasco was nasty! My old man was in the Air Force for 27 years, I grew up living all over Canada and in Europe living on military bases. Seeing first hand just how pathetic our military is can be a real eye opener. blackeyes: Yes I also see more benefits from production then simple exportation of raw materials. More jobs that way too. If America decides to limit or stop a certain raw material we get hit too hard, cattle, lumber, etc. Would be nice to produce the final product here at home. |
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said by CKY:
As a sovereign nation we need our own military.
well, people will moan and complain about it being crippled and underfunded; saving lives is more important than killing lives and they sure as hell are saving very many way i see it, if we don't have one, people will forget about it and live happily ever after |
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remove welfare huh? and what do you suggest to do with people who are unable to work due to disabilities and so forth? I guess you want an even higher incidence of homeless people too? People may criticize our government and its leaders, but then there are people like you that come along and make them seem so damn smart. |
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2003-Jun-23 1:11 am
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Send the Liberal party to a remote ice-flow.....with no food...or warm clothing.
Enjoy a corruption free Canada. |
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WWMDivi filius
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remove welfare huh? and what do you suggest to do with people who are unable to work due to disabilities and so forth? I guess you want an even higher incidence of homeless people too? People may criticize our government and its leaders, but then there are people like you that come along and make them seem so damn smart.
Oh I'm sorry if you are a welfare leecher and I offended you. People who are unable to work is not what I classify as welfare. The scum who are able to work but sit at home and don't are the ones who need to be cut off. It's people like you who support this scum stealing from the government which inturn has to steal from working people. I'm sure a gullible person like you would be great in the government. "Let's give losers something for nothing and screw the people who actually deserve it!" And you have the gall to criticise my intelligence. Laugh emmpeethree: I liked your ideas the best. A good mix of right and left wing policies is what any government needs instead of the total ultra-conservative or bleeding heart crap a lot of people spew. [text was edited by author 2003-06-23 02:32:19] |
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said by emmpeethree:
1) stop substidizing companies we don't really need (air canada)
2) streamline spending, we have plenty of tax dollars coming in, just need to manage how they are spent
3) give more control to the provinces, and less to ottawa
they are so far away from most parts of canada and have no idea what's going on. the provinces gov's know better how to spend money and where.
4) SCRAP the military, have a small force of say 2000 for peacekeeping missions around the world, 1000 stay here for training, 1000 leave, to give them a break.
face it, we DON'T need defence with americans as our neighbours, it'd be better to have a small force max of say 5000 troops who could be highly mobile, base them out of winnipeg and have all 5000 troops available by airlifting to anywhere in the country in 24 hours for civil disturbancs etc.
5) stiffen up immigration, and make a point to NOT allow these illegal immigrants to claim refugee status for bogus reasons
6) play hard ball against the yankees, if they are going to impose lumber tariffs on us, we should impose "california produce" tariffs on them. this free trade agreement is a joke, we might as well gain somewhat from it. sure, the we might be paying more now, but when they know that we're not going to be passive about all their crazy rules, maybe they'll back down
7) allow exportation of fresh water, with the exception of pipelines (ex: boat, train, truck)
8) allow paid health care, i see NO downsides to this.
a) shorter lines for joe average canadian
b) more high paying jobs available, keep those skilled canadians in canada
c) more tax dollars as revenue coming in
d) keep the money in canada, better than having Ritchie Rich fly down to denver to get an operation if he could have had it up here
9) re-instate capital punishment
10) eliminate welfare, assigned jobs are much more effective and EVERYONE can do SOMETHING well, whether its flipping burgers, delivering papers or sealing envelopes, theres a job for EVERYONE
11) GET RID OF THE DAMN GST
12)don't give so much land and money to the natives, they have enough, get rid of these corrupt chiefs instead!
Sounds like America...aside from the military thing. |
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2003-Jun-23 3:10 am
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said by WWM:
Oh I'm sorry if you are a welfare leecher and I offended you. People who are unable to work is not what I classify as welfare. The scum who are able to work but sit at home and don't are the ones who need to be cut off. It's people like you who support this scum stealing from the government which inturn has to steal from working people. I'm sure a gullible person like you would be great in the government. "Let's give losers something for nothing and screw the people who actually deserve it!" And you have the gall to criticise my intelligence. Laugh
Yikes, whats it to you? It amazes me that someone could feel so strongly against people who are down on their luck. Sure, a few abuse the system but lets face it $520/month is no life at all. You should apologize to emmpeethree. |
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said by MacGyver:
More than anything else, we need a leader. A guy like John Diefenbaker or Lester B. Pearson. This country will continue to go in the same direction until we do.
A true leader will facilitate change. Without one, this country will continue on the same course.
[text was edited by author 2003-06-22 20:33:03]
Diefenbaker is the guy that screwed Canada out of what could very well have been the WORLD'S foremost military aviation industry by bowing to Ike, hacking up the Arrow's (and putting over 50,000 people on the unemplyment lines in the process), and buying some crappy Bomarc missile system. The Canadian aviation industry has never recovered to the greatness that was Avro and the Arrow - not to mention the Jetliner which was what...eight years before the 707-80? But that's another story... I have never been as thoroughly disgusted with Canadian politics as I was when my Dad (a long since retired 20+ year CAF flight sim technician) told me the story of the Arrow. [text was edited by author 2003-06-23 06:22:09] |
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2003-Jun-23 9:33 am
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1) make welfare temporary
2) increase tourism by advertising more
3) get the Olympics (Vancouver.... soon... find out on July 2?)
3) reduce taxes for working people
4) keep Quebec
5) keep the health care system private, but encourage doctors and nurses from other countries to come to Canada
and there's probably more.. |
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2003-Jun-23 10:39 am
Some great ideas!
You know the thought of removing welfare I use to think was a great initiative. Not anymore though. What opened my eyes was living in different provinces and realizing that not every province is like BC, ONT, or QUE. Go to Newfoundland with its massive unemployment rate. Without the fisheries people, especially those who live in the many small fishing villages suffer mass layoffs. There are no jobs period. You can’t say, get up and move away, doing so simply ignores culture and financial boundaries these people have, or don’t have.
Same with way up north in NWT. What are you going to do there, the place is neglected badly, especially the native population, it’s not like they can pack up and come to Toronto. Without Welfare you will just have an increase in severe poverty, and probably as a result an increase in crime, and other negative benefactors.
Some say it is “the scum who are able to work but sit at home and don't are the ones who need to be cut off.” Agreed! But it’s impossible to draw the line. How do you know which are the people who _can’t_ work and those how are _lazy_. Will the government decide this? So I get welfare but my neighbor won’t? You either have welfare or you don’t. And as I already said, we have to have it. Obviously some will swindle, and exploit, but that is obviously a minority. Maybe the government should go after these people more, and have much higher penalties for those arrested. Bottom line, a few bad seeds cannot ruin the crop in this case, there is too much at stake, fellow Canadians. |
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Bender2000Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
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As I can read from your rude post, you clearly don't know me or my situation. I am in the working class thank you very much. I pay my tax dollars, and I pay them proudly to support social programs INCLUDING welfare. For awhile, welfare kept a roof over my head while I struggled to find a job. I lived in Newfoundland, and I knew that if I stayed there, I would never get a job, so I moved. But not all people have this luxury. I was young and able and so I did what I had to do. But if it wasn't for that help, I would have been in a very bad position. I've had this job for 3 years now, steadily working my way up the ladder, and it's scum like you that piss me off because of your sweeping generalizations. As for your intelligence, your attitude speaks for itself.
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2003-Jun-23 2:04 pm
said by Bender2000:
and it's scum like you that piss me off because of your sweeping generalizations.
I don't live in Canada, but if I did, I'd probably hope for more polite social discourse. Steve |
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