Cat and Mouse → Re: Amazing...

Da22in told us

"No, actually, that's completely feasible"

So all P2P thieves would pack up immediately and start paying the artists. ....in your dreams.

I am not talking about downloading I am talking about File Sharing.

File sharing is nothing more than mass piracy of someone else's labor. In my mind thats a crime, and trying to justify it the way all you thieves do is complete nonsense.

Hob

So if I own a record or tape of an album, and instead of spending hours trying to hook up a record player or tape player to my pc to shift it to a digital format, I decide to get on Kazaa and just download the song, that makes me a thief? What if I own a cd and it gets scratched or stolen? Your argument seems to be that all file sharing of any copyrighted material is illegal, yet you say that shifting formats and creating backups isnt. But many of the people using file sharing, are using it to create backups, its much quicker to download a 13 songs while you can still surf the web, instead of trying to rip it from the cd which takes about an hour on my pc and uses all my resources.

said by Boogeyman:

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So if I own a record or tape of an album, and instead of spending hours trying to hook up a record player or tape player to my pc to shift it to a digital format, I decide to get on Kazaa and just download the song, that makes me a thief? What if I own a cd and it gets scratched or stolen? Your argument seems to be that all file sharing of any copyrighted material is illegal, yet you say that shifting formats and creating backups isnt. But many of the people using file sharing, are using it to create backups, its much quicker to download a 13 songs while you can still surf the web, instead of trying to rip it from the cd which takes about an hour on my pc and uses all my resources.

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I agree. If you own something in vinal or on cassette, then it should be free to bring it over to digital format. The same with a software license for instance. If you download the full version of a software package after purchasing it, you should be able to bring it over to a CD for backup.

The problem is if your hard drive crashes, how do you get your software back? Same with if a CD gets scratched. The RIAA as well as software makers should come up with a feasable way to replace damaged cds or lost software when a hard drive dies. Most shareware companies will offer a full download section on their website that will allow someone with a serial number to redownload and reinstall. Serials are typically recorded by email address.

You do have a valid arguement, but I don't think file sharing is the way out. If your package becomes damaged, the RIAA should have a replacement plan in place. To just have file sharing out there with all the abuse that goes with it, it doesn't make sense. Kinda like offering full version software and keys to everyone freely and openly. How many people would buy the software then?

said by hobgoblin:

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In my mind thats a crime, and trying to justify it the way all you thieves do is complete nonsense.

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Hob, Hob, Hob... Have you learned nothing?

I don't like P2P. I don't use P2P. I don't approve of the practice of file sharing. But don't you think calling people you don't know "thieves" borders on libel?

Call the arguments silly if you will, to your heart's content. Or, make an effort and answer them with the logic and reason you've so many times demonstrated you're perfectly capable of. But making accusations against people without being able to quote them saying that they have actually shared files... I used to think you were above that. Are you? Or do you just enjoy the adrenalin rush you get from it?

Re: Amazing...
Da22in told us

"No, actually, that's completely feasible"

So all P2P thieves would pack up immediately and start paying the artists. ....in your dreams.

I am not talking about downloading I am talking about File Sharing.

File sharing is nothing more than mass piracy of someone else's labor. In my mind thats a crime, and trying to justify it the way all you thieves do is complete nonsense.

Hob

Well lets see American corperations outsource US jobs to countries like India, Canada, etc. They steal jobs from people in the US trying to make a living and survive.

Thats also a crime, as much as file sharing COPYRIGHTED material is IF you dont buy the product you got a file of.

Will American companies change their strategy... in your dreams.

RIAA is just like those companies.

They will do anything to get/save/steal a dollar.

In my mind thats a real crime, and trying to justify your personal belief without taking other factors is complete nonsense.

boogyman79 eyes wide open told us

"What if I own a cd and it gets scratched or stolen?"

What if I own a Large Chamionship winning Great Dane?
I open the door and he rushes out into a busy street and gets run over by a large truck. He is killed. Luckily my neighbour has one. Is it Ok if I go and steal him? Or demand that as he is from the same pedigree as mine that I get the first choice of pup free?
You scratch your CD....go and buy another one..just as I have to go and buy a new dog.

"But many of the people using file sharing, are using it to create backups, its much quicker to download a 13 songs while you can still surf the web, instead of trying to rip it from the cd which takes about an hour on my pc and uses all my resources"

Oh really....This is the biggest bunch of crap I heard since "I did not sleep with that women".

Hob

Really, creating a backup copy in case the disk gets scratched is covered in fair use laws. Because you are not buying the cd, you are paying for the right to listen to said music on the cd. When you bought your dog, you bought the dog, you did not buy the right to play with the dog, you did not pay for the right to take care of the dog, you bought the dog and all the things that that entails.

And how is using p2p to get your music collection on your pc instead of ripping it yourself crap? Yes, I know most people dont use it for that, but it is a legitimate use for it. Just like using a handgun for home protection is legitimate. Of course some people use them for criminal purposes. People use cars for criminal purposes too, should we ban them? Are all car users criminals?

said by Boogeyman:

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But many of the people using file sharing, are using it to create backups, its much quicker to download a 13 songs while you can still surf the web, instead of trying to rip it from the cd which takes about an hour on my pc and uses all my resources.

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An hour and all your resources to rip 13 songs? What are you using, a 286?

I think it was the app I was using to do it, after an hr it made my pc crash, so I jsut went and started downloading instead.

hobgoblin, head way up his ass, still keeps comparing physical, tangible objects, with the digital representation of an object.

Music is not a car, or a dog. It is something which can exist in many places at once. No different than PC software. And I have the right to create backups of anything that I purchase, under the fair use act. But the RIAA and MPAA are even looking to take that right away because I could illegally copy music and movies that I do not own. Where's the fair use? And why should I pay twice for something that I should be able to get again. Just like software purchased online. I can present my serial number and download it when I need it again. That is called good business. It is called one industry listening to the VOC and responding.

BTW, VOC = Voice of the Customer.

puritan