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to tataye
Re: Does your AVor AT Detect the modified Beast 2.05?said by tataye:
said by mod bait:
said by Caliban9:
tataye, with all due respect, here is your chance to help someone that has fallen afoul of misuse of your handiwork.
What respect is "due", exactly?
I think the idea is to respect each other, as we are civilized people (or maybe only part of us :P). I, personally, respect few AV guys even if we are in opposite teams...
I can't muster a single iota of respect for someone who does what you do. | | | |
tataye
Member
2004-Jan-15 6:09 am
said by mod bait:
I can't muster a single iota of respect for someone who does what you do.
Oh, I see... I don't know why you didn't respect me, you don't know me at all, but even if you say such things I'm not angry. I think could be because we got a different education. The idea is that not all the people is thinking in the same way, but we have to accept each other and to try to respect each other, we must be a little open-minded. And my Beast tool wasn't coded for destructive purposes. Anyway, I don't die for your respect LOL, I don't give a damn, I only tried to point few things. My respects, tataye | | mod bait
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join:2001-06-11
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mod bait
Premium Member
2004-Jan-15 6:28 am
said by tataye:
said by mod bait:
I can't muster a single iota of respect for someone who does what you do.
Oh, I see... I don't know why you didn't respect me, you don't know me at all, but even if you say such things I'm not angry. I think could be because we got a different education. The idea is that not all the people is thinking in the same way, but we have to accept each other and to try to respect each other, we must be a little open-minded. And my Beast tool wasn't coded for destructive purposes. Anyway, I don't die for your respect LOL, I don't give a damn, I only tried to point few things.
I don't need to know you; it is enough to know what you do. You sell undetectable malware for profit. Your site even uses the word "victim" in several places. quote:
The important thing to do in programming Trojans is to make them hidden from the victim's eyes
Yeah, all legitimate programmers refer to their users as "victims". They also explain how to code for "victim monitoring". You see that a lot. | | | |
tataye
Member
2004-Jan-15 7:03 am
said by mod bait:
I don't need to know you; it is enough to know what you do. You sell undetectable malware for profit.
Malware? Profit? Tsk tsk tsk. To give you a little example, my tool could be used as a monitoring tool, and for that purpose are hundreds of "legitimate" applications which are made for profit. So, you have the same 'respect' for all those coders? quote:
Yeah, all legitimate programmers refer to their users as "victims". They also explain how to code for "victim monitoring". You see that a lot.
Hahaha, some confusion... Beast users aren't victims, Beast users get victims LOL More respect, tataye | |  K McAleavey
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join:2003-11-12
Voorheesville, NY |
Well ... that last little statement trashed the modicum of respect that I *had* ... instead of providing tools for people to attack innocents, why not put your efforts into nailing some of the spammers? Taking THOSE out would be a "community service." Now I can see also why you like certain "AV's" ... glad to hear WE'RE not on your "recommended list."  | | | |
tataye
Member
2004-Jan-15 7:42 am
said by K McAleavey:
Well ... that last little statement trashed the modicum of respect that I *had* ...
Sigh...Kevin, that respect thingy is pushed too much. I don't ask respect, as I said before it's a matter of education. If you think otherwise, it's OK, I don't expect that all the people to think in the same way. So let's drop it. quote:
instead of providing tools for people to attack innocents, why not put your efforts into nailing some of the spammers? Taking THOSE out would be a "community service."
A monitoring tool like Beast could be used by an inocent, not only by 'bad guys'. I could give you few scenarios, but I think you have enough imagination for that. quote:
Now I can see also why you like certain "AV's" ... glad to hear WE'RE not on your "recommended list."
It's not quite clear for me what you want to say here :/ But you're not on my 'recommended' list because I don't know how good is BOClean (no trial for it LOL). | |  catseyenuAck Pfft
Premium Member
join:2001-11-17
Fix East |
tataye,
You refer to "different education" several times.
Can you help me understand how you mean this?
Thanks! | | | |
to tataye
said by tataye:
But you're not on my 'recommended' list because I don't know how good is BOClean (no trial for it LOL).
Got a point here... | | mod bait
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join:2001-06-11
Rochester, NY |
to tataye
said by tataye:
said by mod bait:
quote:
Yeah, all legitimate programmers refer to their users as "victims". They also explain how to code for "victim monitoring". You see that a lot.
Hahaha, some confusion... Beast users aren't victims, Beast users get victims LOL
No confusion here. You think I am not aware of client/server type software? I used my wording on purpose: The "victims" are unwitting Beast users, infected with malware. But thanks for making my entire case for me. Hahahahah... (I feel so k3wl when I do that. Maybe next, I'll ztart uzing the letter z inztead of s.)
AT vendors will withhold contempt for you, because you give them a reason to exist. Trojan client users will of course love you, because you make it possible for them to be the scumbags they are. If you have any legitimate users, such as law enforcement, I really don't think they'd be posting here, acting like morons.
You're beneath my notice, so don't be surprised at the lack of response from this point on. | | | mod bait |
to catseyenu
said by catseyenu:
tataye,
You refer to "different education" several times.
Can you help me understand how you mean this?
Thanks!
I suspect he's talking about becoming "educated" about life by being beaten as a child, and developing an utter contempt for the world, and wishing to do widespread harm, and thus developing ways for low-lives to make more people miserable. It's the Circle of Life, y'know? Education. Give me a break. I'm going to start selling anthrax spores and pipe bombs and call it "education". | | K McAleavey
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join:2003-11-12
Voorheesville, NY |
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to catseyenu
said by catseyenu:
tataye,
You refer to "different education" several times.
Can you help me understand how you mean this?
Thanks!
Yeah, I said twice that. I didn't start that and I really don't understand why it was started, because this is a security forum and the "respect" of those 2 members doesn't have any relevance here :/ You see, it's amusing how few peoples from this community are disrespecting others just because they (the *rude* guys) cannot see much further. They are thinking that all those who make trojans are "bad" people and they don't deserve any respect. A trojan/RAT coder is exactly like any other person, could be a bad or a good person. And the problem is their (the disrespectful guys) education. Only a primitive person could disrespect others just because they are coding RATs. Any person must be considered individually, not as belonging to a community, and that banal thing is learned in the school/family. The guys who are thinking that a non-legitimate RAT coder doesn't deserve respect are simply pathetic and from my point of view they have real education deficiencies. A RAT could be used also for good reasons, not only in the way they are thinking. And as I said in a previous reply, there are hundreds of legitimate monitoring tools that could be used in both ways (good or bad), almost like my Beast, but, you see, Beast isn't shareware, isn't a legit app, so the poor-minded primitive people don't think that the Beast coder deserves respect. Anyway, I don't need respect from such people. quote:
I suspect he's talking about becoming "educated" about life by being beaten as a child, and developing an utter contempt for the world, and wishing to do widespread harm, and thus developing ways for low-lives to make more people miserable. It's the Circle of Life, y'know?
Scodan, you are really pathetic. I suggest you to try with medication and also stay in the nature a little more, look at the flowers, listen to the birds etc., maybe in that way your anger will disappear. OK, I just said my point, I won't say anything more, this is my last reply on the "respect" issue. It really seems you have some serious problems. Best regards, tataye | | mod bait
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join:2001-06-11
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mod bait
Premium Member
2004-Jan-15 5:12 pm
Yeah, I'm "pathetic". That's the ticket. Make a fist, and you will find that you are holding up the exact number of fingers that represent the number of malware applications I have created which can harm other people.
You could just as easily say that guns, bombs or pepper spray can be used "for good or bad". After all, guns, bombs and pepper spray can be used for defense as well as offense. But if someone were to produce guns, bombs, or pepper spray, and make them available to all takers, no one in their right mind would hold a high opinion of that person.
Trojans perhaps can be used "for good or bad", but they are not officially regulated. So, that's where the potential trojan author's own decency comes in. You either have it or you don't.
See, you always overlook the word "bad" in the phrase "good or bad". If you purposely create something that you know can be used for bad, then some of the responsibility for harm that is done rests on you--and not just the slobs who use your product.
If I created hundreds of bombs, and gave them all away to anyone and everyone who wanted them, what would come of it? What if some were used by sickos who blew young children up? Those sickos are guilty, yes, but I share some of the blame for my recklessness and carelessness. If I instead ensured that only legitimate users got hold of the bombs (i.e. military personnel), it is a different story entirely.
See, I'm not "primitive", I just have a different opinion than you. One important difference is that I have no agenda in this: I don't make money from private trojan builds, and I don't make money fighting trojans; I just hate people who make my life more complicated because they use the tired, old, and failed "shucks, it can be good or bad, and I'll take credit for the good, and refuse all responsibility for the bad" argument.
Ah--this is what we call a "crux": If you refuse all responsibility for the bad things that come of your efforts, then you should also refuse all credit for the good things. But that doesn't happen, does it? | |  Snowy"LET'S GO DARWIN"
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join:2003-04-05
Kailua, HI |
to tataye
Right answer, wrong thread"And my Beast tool wasn't coded for destructive purposes."
Another pet peeve internet security myth. | |
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