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<description><![CDATA[DonLibes posted : charter, if you don't use quote tags (or AT LEAST literal quotation marks), you make it look like you're saying what I said.<br><br>Back to the subject: I'm simply asking on what basis you hold to the belief that the cable boxes cannot report what channel you're watching.  The boxes ARE addressable.  And the boxes ARE capable of transmitting back information.  So clearly it's just a matter of software and choice as to whether they send back channel information.  You're telling me that you don't believe such software exists.  I'm saying that that's hard to believe.  As a software dude myself, it would be trivial to write such software - so I bet anything it already exists.  And I'm sure cable companies would happily pay whatever it costs to get that software written and running.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[charter_eng posted : I was amused to read that Tivo can tell what watchers are viewing even when viewing recorded material!!! Tivo was able to report, for instance, that the Janet Jackson boob incident was the most replayed video clip in their history. This goes beyond what you're claiming the cable companies can NOT do. In that sense, I am very sceptical over your claims and beliefs.<br><br>The SA products do not collect or transmit viewing statistics.  They do transmit impulse pay-per-view.  At what point did TiVo become a division of the cable industry?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gpurv posted : 1. I have 5 TV's using analog cable.  I'm very happy.<br><br>2. Comcast is trying to trick me to go digital by bringing me five digital boxes (no fee, and no ADDITIONAL charge, for 6 months) so I won't lose my premium channels<br><br>3. In six months, what will I be paying/month for these 5 digital boxes I never needed or wanted ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DonLibes posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by MadisonTech:</SMALL><HR>StillNotRegistered makes me laugh....  Everything he thinks is wrong.<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE>3) As a result of the single channel and two-way communication between your box and the digital provider system, there is the opportunity for the service provider to keep track of what you are watching. Privacy alert!<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The boxes that are used in abundance (Motorola and SA) do NOT have this ability.  Granted - yes... they could get new software that would allow it - but currently they do not (and I'm sure this will not change)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I find your belief surprising.  On what basis do you believe that:<br><br>1) the boxes do NOT have that capability (of knowing what channel's people are watching).<br>2) if the boxes do not have that capability, that it will not change in the future.<br><br>You may be right about (1) but how can you be sure of (2).  If I was the cable company, I'd want to know as much as possible about what viewers are watching.  Why shouldn't they?<br><br>I was amused to read that Tivo can tell what watchers are viewing even when viewing recorded material!!!  Tivo was able to report, for instance, that the Janet Jackson boob incident was the most replayed video clip in their history.  This goes beyond what you're claiming the cable companies can NOT do.  In that sense, I am very sceptical over your claims and beliefs.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/02/03/television.tivo.reut/index.html" >www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/pt &middot;&middot;&middot; dex.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:45:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : StillNotRegistered makes me laugh....  Everything he thinks is wrong.<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE>1) It costs more. Analog cable already costs too much. Oh, sure, you get more with digital. but look at what you get. For example, HBO East, West, Up, Down, whatever - if you look at the program guide, you'll see that these multiples of the same channel carry essentially the same programs as the standard one, repeated and rotated in various patterns. In other words, you don't get much more programming with these channel multiples, only more chances to see the same movie or whatever repeated over and over. I feel for the people on limited budgets, but I myself can well afford to pay more for the digital cable, but I just plain don't want to. You've got to draw the line somewhere.<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Wrong.  Yes, there are 5 HBO's.  They all show DIFFERENT movies, at DIFFERENT times.  (Such as HBO-Comedy, HBO-Thriller, HBO, HBO-Drama, etc etc etc).<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE>2) You are only getting one channel at a time. With analog cable, all the channels available to me are coming into my house, so to speak, multiplexed together. Thus, when I want to channel surf, I experience no appreciable delay changing channels. With digital, there's only the selected channel coming down the line into my house. When changing channels, a request signal is sent to the local "server" which changes the single channel being piped to you, and there is a noticeable delay before the new channel's program is fully up and running on your screen. The problem seems worse with satellite. The delay is probably due to the latency of the digital switching equipment and the servers. I don't like this delay, as when I channel surf I want to do it quickly.</BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Wrong again.  With OnDemand, yes - you get a single stream to your box.  You also tell the server to start, pause, rewind, and fast forward.  With digital cable, you get a CONSTANT stream of all channels at all times.  Think of it like a radio - does your radio open up a single stream of communication with the tower?  Nope - it just tunes into a certian channel.<br><br>Freeing up 1 analog channels creates enough bandwith for at least 6 digital channels or 2 HD.<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE>3) As a result of the single channel and two-way communication between your box and the digital provider system, there is the opportunity for the service provider to keep track of what you are watching. Privacy alert!<br></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The boxes that are used in abundance (Motorola and SA) do NOT have this ability.  Granted - yes... they could get new software that would allow it - but currently they do not (and I'm sure this will not change)<br><br>Yes, we can see what movies your order via PPV, and what OnDemand shows you watch - but this is required for billing purposes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kylemaul posted : Snow and interferenceare still indicative that the strength of the signal from the  cable provider in your area is still too low for analog signals. Digital services don't need as strong a signal. Believe it or not, digital picture quality is of <B>noticably</B> poorer (mushy) quality than analog due to the compression the digital services use. Fortunately, HDTV channels won't suffer from this.<br><SMALL>--<br>'The tighter the RIAA squeezes their grip, the more stars and systems will slip through their fingers.'</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DonLibes posted : Actually, there are additional valuable uses of pixelation.  Specifically, if you want to put up a tiny picture, you only need a fraction of the information to do it.<br><br>With analog PIP, you needed a separate tuner for each channel.  But with digital, you don't need separate tuners, it's all digital and "tuning" is just a software process, no additional hardware required.  In fact, you could put up pictures of 10 different channels and keep them all updated with a single CPU.<br><br>Of course, the CPU may not run real-time but even if you update each channel, say, once per-second (instead of 30 or 60 fps), that's still much better than no PIP at all!  Done right, PIP algorithm should be able to run faster on images that require limited resolution, because it will be mapped to such a tiny piece of the screen.  The user could optionally indicate one of the PIPed pictures to be required to be updated in real-time.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:23:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : If you're right, thanks for the info.  Always nice to work with the facts and truth and all that tedious stuff. %)  So does that mean that with digital cable (and satellite?) you are getting all the channels multiplexed on the line?<br><br>I simply figured that the delay had to be in the "headend" (great term!) as I had not imagined that the delay could be in the home box.  A quick-switching box should be available for cheap, no?  And I hate to have a box at all (the inconvenience, extra, usu. ugly piece of hardware-ness, and PIP-unfriendliness of it all!).  <br><br>I'm not against digital cable in principle but I am in practice.  It comes down to this - it offers so much promise but we seem to be seeing such a wee bit of it.  What with the nasty cos. now having more knobs and dials to mess with, fine-fiddling the level of what signal degradation users will tolerate before they bail out, it hard to imagine we'll be getting anything better than the LCD, at least without paying premiums. It's basically the market, or lack of a competitive one, driving the changes.  At least analog keeps a minimum level of honesty in the signal.  <br><br>One built-in flaw of digital TV, at least as implemented now, is the pixelation you get when the signal degrades.  I can much more easily tolerate, and adapt to, analog noise, probably because analog signals are like the rest of nature that our brain knows how to process. Hmmm... can the human brain ever learn to process pixelation?  This is why I predict that once we all get over the fascination with (and marketing hype of)  digital-ization, there will be a return to analog at a new level of higher, heretofore unknown quality.  And then some years later, back to a new higher level of digital...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[charter_hsd posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by StillNotRegistered:</SMALL><HR> 2)  You are only getting one channel at a time.  With analog cable, all the channels available to me are coming into my house, so to speak, multiplexed together.  Thus, when I want to channel surf, I experience no appreciable delay changing channels.  With digital, there's only the selected channel coming down the line into my house.  When changing channels, a request signal is sent to the local "server" which changes the single channel being piped to you, and there is a noticeable delay before the new channel's program is fully up and running on your screen.  The problem seems worse with satellite.  The delay is probably due to the latency of the digital switching equipment and the servers.  I don't like this delay, as when I channel surf I want to do it quickly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I wish I would have caught this comment sooner, because it has no basis in reality.  On a cable TV system there are no servers changing what channels are broadcast to your area.  The delay is totally in the boxes.  It has nothing do with equipment in the Headend.<br><br>Later]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:34:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[threeclaws posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by bob the cable guy:</SMALL><HR>they won't lower prices, but it'll result in less price hikes in the long run...  btw, iirc cable can only raise prices 1 time a year on each service (video/modem/telephony).<br><br>on another note, anyone know how much satellites went up in price this year?  give you a hint...  hell-o lot more then cable did.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>While Sat may have raised prices, the Platinum package Comcast offers is $90/mo while my DirecTV cost is $88/mo I also have 2 tivos and an HD box that cost me less than $150 total and they do not charge me a per box fee.<br><br>The same setup with Comcast (even though they don't offer HD/DVR in my area - Los Angeles) would push my cost up above $100. Not to mention now that I've switched from Cable internet I am saving another $25/mo since Comcast decided to raise my internet rates from $45/mo to $60/mo when they took over ATTBI. <br><br>I'm not sure how you equate 'saving' money but if I am paying nearly 30% more for cable services I think SAT/DSL have room to raise rates.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:51:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Criticalmass posted : AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....somebody said this would result it cable rate DECREASES.  Thanks for the laugh.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[travelguy posted : Sigh.<br><br>1. Digital does not necessarily equal 'good picture'. Unlike analog signals, which use a fixed bandwidth and no compression, digital signals can be compressed at the will of the operator. <br><br>2. Selling price for cable TV (and pretty much any discretionary purchase, especially entertainment) is established by what people are willing to pay - NOT by total revenue to the cable company.<br><br>If you believe that cable prices will go down due to lower piracy or for any other reason, you probably believed the record companies when they said CD prices would be lower than vinyl "once they recovered the cost of the equipment."]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:27:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[panth1 posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by heckeler:</SMALL><HR>I am a comcast employee.  The reason many areas are forceing a change for analog is digital is because we are being forced by the FCC to phase out analog.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The FCC isnt making the cable industry move to all digital. The mandate is only for VHF and UHF channels.<br><br>I keep seeing this posted and it is not correct.<br><SMALL>--<br>ISPs: Road Runner/Powerlink Status: Road Runner</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:18:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Rash4 posted : Adelphia told me the same thing, the only way I could keep my premium channels was to change to digital, I find that funny since upon inspecting the box out side of my house the analog filters were still on it to filter out the premium channels presumably placed there after I told them exactly what they could do with digital cable. I am not sure about Comcast but I have a feeling in Adelphia's case it is an attempt to make subscribers pay more money for the digital.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gamecock posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/357672" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=357672');">Kylemaul</a>:</SMALL><HR> The issues you describe are indicative of poor signal strength. Do you ever get "tiling" on your digital picture, or have it blank out altogether? If so, a call to Concast is warranted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>It's not a signal strength issue. That has been resolved. When I was having trouble getting the new Comcast HD box working, they came out and ran a new line from the pole. Since then, no problem. Digital channels are always perfect. HSI signal strength is within specs. HD channels come in perfect. Most analog channels look like crap in comparison to the digital channels, especially the lower channels and the higher channels. Blurryness. Interference. Sometimes snowy picture. Same problem at all of my friend's houses in the area.<br><br>Maybe I'm just spoiled. I had DirecTV before this and the picture was always fine.<br><br>It will be nice when they go all digital. This is a positive thing.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:42:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Phoenix2088 posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/193782" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=193782');">inciter</a>:</SMALL><HR><br>That's good news! Lets see one guy/gal in this forum said they had like 10 TV's and one box. But! all the other tv's on the "premises" did not need a BOX that's why they stay away from DTV? Because of the extra box cost...<br><br>So Cable is going to give the guy/gal a new box for each tv they now use. And not charge for all the other Tv's they have hooked up legally? That is quite a bit O money the cable company will be putting out.<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>This device would be outside of the house before the cable enters the home. Thus needing only one box for the conversion.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:08:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Kylemaul posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/562500" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=562500');">gamecock</a>:</SMALL><HR>Good, it's about time they go all digital and get rid of the crappy picture analog channels....I'm tired of the snow and blurry, crappy picture you see on analog here. The digital channels all come in perfect.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The issues you describe are indicative of poor signal strength. Do you ever get "tiling" on your digital picture, or have it blank out altogether? If so, a call to Concast is warranted. Poor signal can arise from many issues, but it's better to have them fix it now than when it gets bad enough that your picture is gone altogether. If you also have their HSI service, it is likely to be affected as well.<br><br>My feeling on the switch to all-digital is that Concast just wants to have better control over their line-up as well as add the additional (as if there will ever be enough for them?) programming. As far as the D/A converters, well, "nothing in life is ever truly free." I predict significant rate increases as a result of this.<br><SMALL>--<br>'The tighter the RIAA squeezes their grip, the more stars and systems will slip through their fingers.'</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[charter_eng posted : The FCC isn't forcing cableco's to go all-digital.  The cable systems can provide any signal they choose.  The FCC is forcing broadcasts to be 100% digital. That would only mean the feeds that cableco's and satco's get would be digital.  More often than not, the signal is analog at some point at the headend (sat or cable).  So 100% all digital isn't entirely true (nice try satellite). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I am a comcast employee.  The reason many areas are forceing a change for analog is digital is because we are being forced by the FCC to phase out analog.  By 2006 analog cable is posted for termination.  This is more a benefit than anything.  The reason being is that we have a limited freq. band that we can use to provide service.  Analog freqs. use up much more room on that band and a digital does.  By eliminating analog cable companies will be able to provide many more sevices and with better quality.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Comcast recently announced price increases where I am, which is immediate and direct proof that their moving more towards digital systems is not resulting in any cost savings to customers. It's one of the reason's that I'm trying out DirectTV. Also due to the fact that not only is DirecTV less expensive for more channels, but one can get a 3 room system INCLUDING a DirecTIVO receiver for $100 installed including shipping, and the DirecTIVO service fee is $5.00 a month, less expensive than using a standalone Tivo.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[clocks11 posted : "This will lead to something we have never seen in the cable industry, price decreases since the revenue that was lost to piracy of analog cable will be gone."<br><br>You are dreaming.  Cable will never cut prices due to a drop in piracy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[morbo posted : i hate digital cable simply because of the time it takes to change channels, the extra remote and box, and the f-ing fee they charge for this happiness. <br><br>i won't even think about switching back until the new tv's with built in digital tuners come out... sometime this summer?   <br><br>of course, i will "try" digital cable for 3 months to get hbo when six feet under season 4 starts.  after that, i cancel it.  :D<br><SMALL>--<br>BOYCOTT <B>DELL</B> for moving tech support for consumers to India</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ghostpainter posted : I'm so glad I don't have Comcast!!!!!   But to add to the conversation, charter switched us all to digital 3 years ago and we have been very happy with 400 channels and broadband and even got a discount which still applies 3 years later, but Charter is not Comcast....Thank Goodness...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[charter_eng posted : You will have to get a converter for each TV, and you'll have to pay a monthly fee for each one<br><br>Not true.  Pace is making a product that modulates an analog signal for older tv's that will be installed close to the demarc.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ddurant posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by bob the cable guy:</SMALL><HR>they won't lower prices, but it'll result in less price hikes in the long run...  ...<br>on another note, anyone know how much satellites went up in price this year?  give you a hint...  hell-o lot more then cable did.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Don't care about satellite. Can't get it where I am so what they do means nothing to me. Hell-o, economy sucks, lots of people out of work, haven't gotten a raise in 2 years. <br><br>What does mean something to me is that my cable bill has gone up 50% in the last 5 years without me doing anything. I'm also an analog Comcast customer and was recently told that they were raising my rates AND removing all but one HBO channel. So... You're giving me less and charging me more. Of course, I could get the rental box and go digital but that'd put me close to a 100% increase over what I was paying before. Blood sucking leeches.<br><br>I just home that karma is a real thing & applies to Comcast management.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[panth1 posted : Except that SA and Motorola hold a huge portion of the industry and can pretty much put out what ever cable equipment they want without the risk of losing business.<br><br>They know that the cable companies have invested millions into their equipment and aren't going to rip it out for a competitor.<br><SMALL>--<br>ISPs: Road Runner/Powerlink Status: Road Runner</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:21:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : they won't lower prices, but it'll result in less price hikes in the long run...  btw, iirc cable can only raise prices 1 time a year on each service (video/modem/telephony).<br><br>on another note, anyone know how much satellites went up in price this year?  give you a hint...  hell-o lot more then cable did.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : You really think they are going to lower prices ?<br>I doubt it. They will claim that uhhhhh well  oh i know !!! that because of the amount of bandwith used by both cable and internet they need to increase the price again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DonLibes posted : I realize that digital boxes offer certain advantages.  But I'm sure a better box could be built that:<br><br>- supports PIP<br>- switches channels faster<br>- doesn't show advertising<br>- etc.<br><br>Until then, cable companies offer too many reasons for a large percentage of viewers to avoid the box.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jjoshua posted : Unfortunately, having a box renders some TV features useless - PIP being one of them.<br><br>I don't have any premium subscriptions so I don't use a box at all.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:35:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : up front I must tell you I'm a cable tech.<br><br>This is actually not a bad thing for you, though there may be cost involved.  I can see where it would be very annoying to be forced to use a dig box, but it in the end it will actually help keep your bill down.<br><br>what?!  paying more will keep your bill down?<br><br>:P<br><br>the reason they want to go all digital is because of bandwith.  Your standard cable company is starting to bump up against bandwith limits by way of how many channels they can carry, and bump against them hard.<br><br>using 128 QAM modulation (standard dig modulation in my area) you can fit around 6 digital channels into the 6 mhz frequency range that ONE analog channel takes up. you can also fit two HD channels into 1 6 mhz range using 256 QAM.<br><br>keep that fact in mind for a sec.<br><br>look at satellite providers.  one of their major selling points is the number of channels they provide.  the reason they CAN provide that many channels is because of the high data rate the digital modulation provides for them.  Cable companies must start to offer that many channels to compete.  almost every customer that I service wants to know when certain channels will be carried, but all i can tell them is that we'll do the best we can.<br><br>there are three ways companies can add new channels.<br><br>First and most obvious is to drop an old one and put the new in it's slot.  This angers customers that actually watched the old channel.<br><br>Second and most expensive is to rebuild the system to handle higher frequencies.  This is a MAJOR proposition, and once you start getting above the 750 mhz range it is hard (but possible) to push more.  There are very few 1 Ghz systems in the nation, for a reason.  This redesign would cost an incredible amount of money, which of course gets passed down to the customer in the form of higher bills.<br><br>The third option, which we are discussing now, is to go all digital.  This would free up an incredible amount of bandwidth for new channels and new services (Video on demand, telephony, etc).  my system has 77 analog channels now.  If we went all digital that would free up bandwith for  462 new channels, or 154 High Def channels.<br><br>This option has the effect of severely annoying customers (some possibly to the extent of canceling service) and making a public relations blitz (which this post is NOT part of....  i WISH i drew my check by siting behind a computer...).<br><br>however, you add the channels that people want, simplify your head-end maintenance and overhead (multiple types of equipment paths == more overhead) and do not incur costs upwards of $500,000,000.00 (estimate, estimate, estimate ;P) for a middle market redesign.<br><br>not to mention a shift like this makes it more likely that TV makers will actually start including digital tuners in your tv and you won't have to lease digital boxes forever.<br><br>anyway...<br><br>just the technical side of this fer yeh.<br><br>--bob the cable guy.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:02:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[reelbigfish posted : I'm all for the all digital conversion. In theory it saves the cable company a lot of money, even if they have to give everyone a digital box. They can fit many more channels on the line, which has already been said. The problem is, cable-cos like Comcast will keep the savings and not pass it on to their customers. Currently, for digital cable at my house it is over $70. DirecTV costs $40 plus tax, which is much cheaper and still about $20 cheaper including the tax. And that gets me all the locals. Once SBC starts bundling sattilite like Verizon is doing, that's another $5 I would save. So basically my telco will get all my business. I get unlimited local, toll and long distance calling, DSL, and wireless phone. Plus sattilite even with out a bundling discount, that comes to $165 for all my services compared to with comcast for internet and cable. The total for the same services was around $205 with taxes included. I'd say it's a no brainer]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:33:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jgb0607 posted : Thanks for all the info guys!!! <br><br>So, what boxes will I be receiving on my TV's?<br><br>Should I demand a certain model? <br><br>I know nothing about cable boxes so this would be VERY helpful!   ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:53:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[nshulga posted : I've a word for you: satellite.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ncherry posted : Comcast did this to us just a few months ago. What they did was to eliminate the Analog package making the cost of the individual items <B>MUCH</B> more expensive than the new digital package (which was more expensive than the original Analog package). This month we got a notice that the digital package we have is going away and we have to, yet again, pick a new package. The package which contains what we want is, of course, a much more expensive package! Add to this the continuous rate increases and I find that we're note getting our money's worth. At the moment I am stuck but I'm investigating alternatives.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:02:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I've been on Comcast cable since they were MediaOne, up here in Mass. I tried their digital service a while back, and the picture quality was terrible. Also, I understand the most of the "regular" channels (under 90-100 or so) were still analog even under the "digital" package, and the compression\pixellation on the digital channels was often bad. They are now making it so if a user wants a premium channel like HBO, they are forced to go "digital" which adds $12-$15 (I think not sure) to the monthly service BEFORE even adding the charge for the new channels. I'm waiting for my DirecTV system to arrive via UPS today and hope it works well enough for me to cancel my cable!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:28:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[panth1 posted : We still don't know if Comcast is switching all their channels to digital carriers or it was some marketing ploy to get people to buy their digital tier.<br><br>And don't confuse the digital mandate by the FCC. It only applies to over the air VHF/UHF stations. Cable companies and channels that broadcast over satellite are not involved.<br><SMALL>--<br>ISPs: Road Runner/Powerlink Status: Road Runner</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:16:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Rexter posted : You will have to get a converter for each TV, and you'll have to pay a monthly fee for each one.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:21:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[mr_slick posted : I have never had digital cable so I may be biased / misinformed, but almost all of my friends that have digital get "pixilization" on their digital signals to some degree, which is more annoying than a little snow.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:37:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[mr_slick posted : Piracy is not the reason for high prices and/or lack of decreases.  Lack of competition and poor upper-level management is.  Most people DO pay for their services.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:33:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jr7575 posted : i live in michigan and here they have analog and digital.but seems comcast has a habit of over chargeing on your monthly bill a lot,plus they in michigan limit broadband users are limited to a max of 1.5mb a sec download speed.for $43 a month.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:28:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[kfsutops posted : Be happy, you could have Adelphia. We have some of the crappiest tv I have ever seen. I for one would be happy to go full digital. For as long it is taking Adelphia to just get half digital going has taken four years or more. One can only imagine how long it would take the Keystone Cops of Adelphia to upgrade to full digital. People will probably be flying in flying cars by then.<br><br>The bad thing is that you probably have to pay for converter boxes on all tv's. That would be a pain because if you are like me, I don't want the digital in my bedroom. Why pay $10 for box that gets used maybe an hour ever now and again.<br><SMALL>--<br>Adelphia, you just flat out suck. THAT IS S-U-C-K!!!!!!!</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:55:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[gnubeest posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by tvdude:</SMALL><HR>I work in television and digital cable is a rip!  Don't fall for it. The picture is usually no better... they just upconvert the sat feeds and compress the hell out of em.<br>(snip)<br>Friends of mine on dig cable also say that they put banner adds on the screen for several seconds each time you change channels.... you are a captive audience in cable, at the movies, and online...  it must stop.  Get DISH or Direct TV and DSL  be free.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>So you "work in television", tell everyone what a rip-off digital cable is, yet profess to never have actually seen it.  That's a professional opinion for ya.<br><br>Picture quality is only a negligable advantage -- the only thing you really gain is more tolerance to signal quality with digital in most cases.  The primary advantage is the ability to deliver an expanded channel selection, helping cut the bottlenecks that have dogged cable for some time.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:42:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[tymfdc posted : I don't know what is exactly on the FCC agenda.  But eventually the antenna signals will also be digitized I assume.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:27:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : My 19 inch Muntz Black & White TV won't work on the new digital box.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:25:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[inciter posted : Exactley my point! You had to get the basic to make your HSI more afordable. And the signal from your antenna is going to last how long? Maybe 2-3 more year's if even?<br><br>The FCC wants BandWidth maybe the antenna reception will become only advertisments for the newest BBQ that drip's off the fat 24/7. Most folks have Cable/DTV or Dish the wave will change soon.<br><br>Later I'm getting Orwellian now.. :) <br><SMALL>--<br>A SUCKER is born every min. On the Internet a SUCKER is born every Sec.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[tymfdc posted : I never had cable before.  I only got cable last year when I wanted HSI.  I still have several movies on my PC that I downloaded last month.  So I will need to find some time to watch them before they expire.  I don't have enough time to watch TV.  So more channels won't help me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[inciter posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/828910" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=828910');">tymfdc</a>:</SMALL><HR>I already switch over to DSL and I only watch the basic local channels.  If I  have to get these boxes and force to go to a higher tier, I think I will go back to my antenna.<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>I wonder how long that mite even last? :)<br><SMALL>--<br>A SUCKER is born every min. On the Internet a SUCKER is born every Sec.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:54:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Comcast is making me go to all Digital Cable TV!??</title>
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<description><![CDATA[inciter posted : If I understand you right? The cable company is going to give "analog conversion equipment at the premises" and not increase the price for this equipment? Well at least yet right?<br><br>That's good news! Lets see one guy/gal in this forum said they had like 10 TV's and one box. But! all the other tv's on the "premises" did not need a BOX that's why they stay away from DTV? Because of the extra box cost...<br><br>So Cable is going to give the guy/gal a new box for each tv they now use. And not charge for all the other Tv's they have hooked up legally? That is quite a bit O money the cable company will be putting out.<br><br>Correct me if I am wrong... They will stll be able to get analog on the cable line to the 9 tv's. The only thing that is changing is the Box they mite be renting now for one tv will no longer get PPV, and the new box will but at no additional price increase. That's not a big deal! Unless the raw analog is being cut to the other 9 tv's.<br><br>Don't get me wrong now! My Father is going to be asking the same Q's. He is only with Comcast for the golf channel.:)<br><SMALL>--<br>A SUCKER is born every min. On the Internet a SUCKER is born every Sec.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:35:59 EDT</pubDate>
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