Topic 'Re: Definitely not a moral issue' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9399616 en Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:36:17 EDT Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:36:17 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9424892 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9424892 Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:25:32 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9411555 said by jj nobody:

Sorry to tell ya, but dumping 30 gigs into a group is a drop in the hat and will not drop retention. I can understand dropping the dutch dump groups. Drop the .nl, drop the .x but keep the groups that people actually use.
Popularity has everything to do with it. Why are these group so big? popularity.


popular or not the problem with these groups is they use a disproportional(sp?) amount of storage space compared with the rest of the alt.binaries groups.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9411555 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:45:26 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9411247 said by Coolbrz:
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True, and tons of pay nntp's


There ya go.


nope, there i don't go. Fact is, I shouldn't have to pay for a nntp service when I was promised and given those groups 10 months ago when i left rr for vol. I'm not gonna sit and take it... I didn't with comcast, i didn't with rr, i didn't with earthstink and i won't with vol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9411247 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:17:54 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9408032 quote:
True, and tons of pay nntp's


There ya go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9408032 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:56:57 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407500 said by Coolbrz:
I agree binaries have been around forever, not in the same capacity or content that they are today.


True, and tons of pay nntp's have upgraded their storage capacities like religion, verizon's always had a great server with minimal upgrade. They can't say they didn't see this coming.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407500 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:03:37 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407341 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407341 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:47:00 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407206 said by Coolbrz:
No, plain text discussion groups.


Binary groups have been around for ages... well, thought we could agree on some thing but guess not... back to the war.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407206 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:29:42 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407069 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9407069 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:14:18 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406997 said by Coolbrz:
quote:
THEIR NEWS SERVICE IS ONE OF THE BEST OUT THERE AND WILL NOT BE STIFFLED"


I still feel that is true, and i am sure the people that use the News groups as they were originaly intended for, feel the same way.


exactly. Binaries included]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406997 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:05:51 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406894 quote:
THEIR NEWS SERVICE IS ONE OF THE BEST OUT THERE AND WILL NOT BE STIFFLED"


I still feel that is true, and i am sure the people that use the News groups as they were originaly intended for, feel the same way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406894 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:55:11 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406595 --
Don't have it?!? Demand it!!! The Anime Network »www.theanimenetwork.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406595 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:18:30 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406428 said by GNXPower:
said by jj nobody:
said by GNXPower:
As much at it's sucks for those who used the deleted groups, I agree with you...removing these few groups makes much more room for retention in the others.


Yea, low volume groups. Kill the popular ones, keep the pr0n and the low volume ones? Real smart VOL


Volume doesn't mean popular guy. I can dump 30GB into a group, doesn't mean people are going to download from it. Most of the groups killed are dumping grounds for the Dutch and don't tell me that VZ users are just begging for NL versions of crap.

These groups are high volume because each title is 8 times larger than those in other warez groups.

Popularity has NOTHING to do with it.


Sorry to tell ya, but dumping 30 gigs into a group is a drop in the hat and will not drop retention. I can understand dropping the dutch dump groups. Drop the .nl, drop the .x but keep the groups that people actually use.
Popularity has everything to do with it. Why are these group so big? popularity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406428 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:55:05 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406395 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406395 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:50:59 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406322 said by Coolbrz:
They were popular because they had tons of warez. And dont give me this shit about taking the morality to another thread. You are upset because you cannot download free stuff anymore, cry me a river.

i downloaded stuff from those groups as well, but I understand why they are gone because of the traffic. If you people want to download so much free stuff, pay for a news service. Me, I'll either look elsewhere for my downloads or just grab a pay news service.


you are making this a morality issue and it doesn't have to be. Downloading warez and moviez is important to me... reason why? Because when I signed up for VOL 7 months ago to get away from the poor retention of RR, I specifically asked them if they carried these certain groups. They assured me that they did and that "THEIR NEWS SERVICE IS ONE OF THE BEST OUT THERE AND WILL NOT BE STIFFLED" Now with this, I feel that I've been lied to. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9406322 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:39:53 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9405979 said by jj nobody:
said by GNXPower:
As much at it's sucks for those who used the deleted groups, I agree with you...removing these few groups makes much more room for retention in the others.


Yea, low volume groups. Kill the popular ones, keep the pr0n and the low volume ones? Real smart VOL


Volume doesn't mean popular guy. I can dump 30GB into a group, doesn't mean people are going to download from it. Most of the groups killed are dumping grounds for the Dutch and don't tell me that VZ users are just begging for NL versions of crap.

These groups are high volume because each title is 8 times larger than those in other warez groups.

Popularity has NOTHING to do with it.
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i downloaded stuff from those groups as well, but I understand why they are gone because of the traffic. If you people want to download so much free stuff, pay for a news service. Me, I'll either look elsewhere for my downloads or just grab a pay news service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9404893 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:00:13 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9404006 said by GNXPower:
As much at it's sucks for those who used the deleted groups, I agree with you...removing these few groups makes much more room for retention in the others.


Yea, low volume groups. Kill the popular ones, keep the pr0n and the low volume ones? Real smart VOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9404006 Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:17:19 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9402452 --
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You look at what groups were removed, they're all at the top of the volume list. This is about keeping a 1/2 dozen groups from hosing the rest of the groups.



I'm glad someone's finally hosed these groups, maybe other isp's will follow suit, retention in all other groups will probably double ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9400834 Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:33:54 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9400578 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9400578 Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:04:39 EDT Re: Definitely not a moral issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9399699
No one is arguing that this is a moral issue...if they are they're stupid. You look at what groups were removed, they're all at the top of the volume list. This is about keeping a 1/2 dozen groups from hosing the rest of the groups.

Someone so hell bent on XBOX games can get Usenetserver and pay for 3 months of service with every game they download that they would have otherwise bought and for DVD movies, get Netflix and DVDXCOPY and get to work. Getting your hands on say Office 11 or Illustrator isn't nearly as easy.
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As to the morality issue, there's no doubt that's not the reason behind it. If it were, groups such as alt.binaries.WAREZ (many with that word in them) and alt.binaries.MP3 (again, many with that in them) would have been the first to go so no, morality had nothing to do with it.

Compete with other ISP's (can you say PacBell) in terms of speed and pricing and I could give less than a damn if you abolish all the newsgroups. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Definitely-not-a-moral-issue-9399616 Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:13:01 EDT