56k Lookout! (broadband heavy) → Re: [video] Don't loot in IRAQ

I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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hihi, maybe one day shit like this happened to you. you'll say yeah i deserved it.. those soldier was right.. i got of eay..

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said by 10825447:

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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hihi, maybe one day shit like this happened to you. you'll say yeah i deserved it.. those soldier was right.. i got of eay..

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Huh?

Similar things happen here, to an extent. If you are caught poaching (fishing or hunting) you can loose EVERYTHING connected to the crime, car, equiptment, etc. And shit like this wont happen to me as I am not a thief. Whats your point?

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said by ThirdShifter:

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said by 10825447:

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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hihi, maybe one day shit like this happened to you. you'll say yeah i deserved it.. those soldier was right.. i got of eay..

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Huh?

Similar things happen here, to an extent. If you are caught poaching (fishing or hunting) you can loose EVERYTHING connected to the crime, car, equiptment, etc. And shit like this wont happen to me as I am not a thief. Whats your point?

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My point is, in a war torn country such as Iraq mens do desperate things to live. I'm sure you know that Jews gave up Jews to nazi to save their own.

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said by 10825447:

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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hihi, maybe one day shit like this happened to you. you'll say yeah i deserved it.. those soldier was right.. i got of eay..

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Huh?

Similar things happen here, to an extent. If you are caught poaching (fishing or hunting) you can loose EVERYTHING connected to the crime, car, equiptment, etc. And shit like this wont happen to me as I am not a thief. Whats your point?

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My point is, in a war torn country such as Iraq mens do desperate things to live. I'm sure you know that Jews gave up Jews to Nazi. Desperate. Did i spell is wrong?

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Do what ever you want to survive, but if you break the law, you will pay.

said by 10825447:

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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What about due process? What about a trial by your peers? Those Iraqis were assumed to be looting. Everyone here watched a small video and took the solders word that they were looting. How do we know they were? Even if they were, aren't we trying to bring them freedom? In a free society, I would hope that you are entitled to a day in court to prove your innocence. I suppose in your world-view, you're guilty until proven innocent?

Your statement of "I would have put them in the car and then ran it over" says it all.

said by MrTangent:

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand? I would say he got off easy.

You people ever hear of Marshal Law. The theiv'n bastards got what they deserved. Who cares if it was his only means of support. He broke the law. I would have put them in the car and then ran it over.

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What about due process? What about a trial by your peers? Those Iraqis were assumed to be looting. Everyone here watched a small video and took the solders word that they were looting. How do we know they were? Even if they were, aren't we trying to bring them freedom? In a free society, I would hope that you are entitled to a day in court to prove your innocence. I suppose in your world-view, you're guilty until proven innocent?

Your statement of "I would have put them in the car and then ran it over" says it all.

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Sure does. And have you ever heard of Marshal Law? Under Military Rule, if you are caught breaking the law you can be shot. No court is involved here. It is plain and simple. If you don't like that, too bad.

said by ThirdShifter:

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My point is, in a war torn country such as Iraq mens do desperate things to live. I'm sure you know that Jews gave up Jews to nazi to save their own.

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Ahh yes, but Germans profited by selling their neighbors to loot the houses and business of the Jews.

The majority were not even saving their own, they were profiteering. The Jews who did, did so in the same style as Judas.

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Do what ever you want to survive, but if you break the law, you will pay.

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Yeah i agree, but do you see the video? The soldier even crushed the looted goods. So what they were doing is obviously for fun. If you had followed the topic from the beginning you would know my stance on this issue.

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Do what ever you want to survive, but if you break the law, you will pay.

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Yeah i agree, but do you see the video? The soldier even crushed the looted goods. So what they were doing is obviously for fun. If you had followed the topic from the beginning you would know my stance on this issue.

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Obviously? Says who? You? I did see the video. I thought it was great!

US ARMY! Hooah!

Did you watch the video? What was the first line? "There was still some looting going on when we arrived" "We filmed these soldiers after they CAUGHT some Iraqi's looting"

said by 10825447:

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And have you ever heard of Marshal Law? Under Military Rule, if you are caught breaking the law you can be shot. No court is involved here. It is plain and simple. If you don't like that, too bad.

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I believe you're confusing Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Geneva Conventions of 1949 with "marshal law". While I'm not a lawyer, I believe marshal law applies only in domestic affairs.

If you would like to show me differently, I'll gladly read any documentation (i.e. proof) you have that states that under "marshal law" any American occupier has the right to "shoot" someone who breaks the law. Otherwise, without proof it would appear you're talking proverbially out of your derriére.

Go look up the Hague and Geneva Conventions or the U.S. Army's "Law of Land Warfare" if you need more clarification on the rules of warfare and police action by a military occupier. What I've read on the issue, anyone who breaks the law is still bound by the judicial system, and is guaranteed a right to due process in the court system.

said by MrTangent:

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said by 10825447:

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And have you ever heard of Marshal Law? Under Military Rule, if you are caught breaking the law you can be shot. No court is involved here. It is plain and simple. If you don't like that, too bad.

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I believe you're confusing Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Geneva Conventions of 1949 with "marshal law". While I'm not a lawyer, I believe marshal law applies only in domestic affairs.

If you would like to show me differently, I'll gladly read any documentation (i.e. proof) you have that states that under "marshal law" any American occupier has the right to "shoot" someone who breaks the law. Otherwise, without proof it would appear you're talking proverbially out of your derriére.

Go look up the Hague and Geneva Conventions or the U.S. Army's "Law of Land Warfare" if you need more clarification on the rules of warfare and police action by a military occupier. What I've read on the issue, anyone who breaks the law is still bound by the judicial system, and is guaranteed a right to due process in the court system.

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Well, I am not going to bust my balls as the the legalities of it. Or the correct terminknowlogy. I was in the Military for over 9 years, saw combat 27 times. I know what I know. They are NOT bound by the Judicial System (so to speak) But by Military law. UCMJ to be precise and whatever "conventions" which might apply.

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand?

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Yeah...in the medieval ages.

Try Saudi Arabia and quite a few other places in the middle east, still law. Not to mention stoning and a few other less then savory methods of 'public correction'.

said by komal:

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I thought Muslim law dictated the cutting off of a theifs hand?

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Yeah...in the medieval ages.

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No, you would be wrong.

said by 10825447:

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Well, I am not going to bust my balls as the the legalities of it. Or the correct terminknowlogy. I was in the Military for over 9 years, saw combat 27 times. I know what I know. They are NOT bound by the Judicial System (so to speak) But by Military law. UCMJ to be precise and whatever "conventions" which might apply.

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Look, if you don't know what you're talking about (re: marshall law) then I might recommend you stop talking about what you know little, to nothing, about. Uniform Code of Military Justice has nothing to do with this. That is the law used to prosecute and court marshal soldiers.

said by MrTangent:

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said by 10825447:

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Well, I am not going to bust my balls as the the legalities of it. Or the correct terminknowlogy. I was in the Military for over 9 years, saw combat 27 times. I know what I know. They are NOT bound by the Judicial System (so to speak) But by Military law. UCMJ to be precise and whatever "conventions" which might apply.

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Look, if you don't know what you're talking about (re: marshall law) then I might recommend you stop talking about what you know little, to nothing, about. Uniform Code of Military Justice has nothing to do with this. That is the law used to prosecute and court marshal soldiers.

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Ok, you win. I don't know shit about what goes on during Military Occupation.After all I was only involved in a few of these myself. You win. So I don't know what "code book" covers this shit, I was a soldier, not a fucking lawyer.

To the people who are putting down the soldier (who posted in this thread):

Don't let your anger at the administration come out on the brave men and women who are fighting. While I dislike our administration, and do not agree with this war, and the reasons for getting in to it, I wholeheartedly support the U.S. Military. We are there. We must support our troops. The troops who are there are not the ones who started the war, remember that. So don't pass judgment on them, pass judgment on the administration.

Remember, support the troops and exercise your constitutional rights by voting in the next election. If you don't like Bush, then vote him out. Simple as that.

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Ok, you win. I don't know shit about what goes on during Military Occupation.After all I was only involved in a few of these myself. You win. So I don't know what "code book" covers this shit, I was a soldier, not a fucking lawyer.

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As an aside, I'm glad you fought for our country. My father was in the U.S. Navy for 20+ years (retired as an E-7, Chief Petty Officer). I was in the Marines, but that didn't work out too well... but anyway, didn't meant to be so harsh on you. We obviously disagree on this subject, but I wish you the best of luck.

And for the record, I support our military, but I don't think the soldiers in the video exercised the right course of action. The accused should have been arrested, tried and convicted of crimes. To mete out justice arbitrarily, and without oversight, can be a very dangerous thing.