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Semaphore
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Semaphore to ost3vo

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Re: 3 Point Wireless Bridge setup

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Straight Shot with recommended heights
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Straight shot with your heights
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Alt1 with Source at 8 m
The straight shot should work if you can get to 40' above ground level on your end.

22dB antenna will make the link but the 25dB antenna should let you get to 18db Tx power and make -71 Rx on the far end so that you can get MCS15 which is max rate for 802.11n (300Mbps)

Note that the shorter towers result in 'better' numbers which is not 'right', meaning that the result is probably from a Fresnel refraction at the Salon end of the link.

When I sanity check the numbers by putting a 30m tower at each end the path calc supports the reality of the recommended tower heights and that there is a Fresnel problem at the Salon end on Short towers.

So I strongly recommend that you get to 8 meters at the Salon end and 12 meters at you end.

Doing the ALT connection was viable but you needed at least 8 meters at the ALT end and the Salon too... for the complexity I'd go straight through. Even if you don't follow the path calc recommendation this shot 'should work' but might be a little funky on short tower heights particularly at the Salon side where large vehicle traffic might drive you a bit nuts.

Actual path calc info is below.

There's a bit of a buffer built into the numbers but Tail light warranty - it IS radio

Straight shot on short towers at 22db
Distance between House and Source is 3.8 km (2.4 miles)
True North Azimuth = 55.57°, Magnetic North Azimuth = 43.43°, Elevation angle = -0.5658°
Terrain elevation variation is 115.7 m
Propagation mode is line-of-sight, minimum clearance 0.9F1 at 0.1km
Average frequency is 5625.000 MHz
Free Space = 119.0 dB, Obstruction = -0.7 dB, Urban = 0.0 dB, Forest = 0.0 dB, Statistics = 18.6 dB
Total propagation loss is 136.9 dB
System gain from House to Source is 154.0 dB
System gain from Source to House is 154.0 dB
Worst reception is 17.1 dB over the required signal to meet
80.000% of time, 80.000% of locations, 90.000% of situations

Straight shot with recommended towers at 22db
Distance between House and Source is 3.8 km (2.4 miles)
True North Azimuth = 55.57°, Magnetic North Azimuth = 43.43°, Elevation angle = -0.6407°
Terrain elevation variation is 115.7 m
Propagation mode is line-of-sight, minimum clearance 2.8F1 at 3.5km
Average frequency is 5625.000 MHz
Free Space = 119.0 dB, Obstruction = 0.9 dB, Urban = 0.0 dB, Forest = 0.0 dB, Statistics = 18.7 dB
Total propagation loss is 138.6 dB
System gain from House to Source is 154.0 dB
System gain from Source to House is 154.0 dB
Worst reception is 15.4 dB over the required signal to meet
80.000% of time, 80.000% of locations, 90.000% of situations

Straight shot with recommended towers at 25 dB antenna** suggested solution**
Distance between House and Source is 3.8 km (2.4 miles)
True North Azimuth = 55.57°, Magnetic North Azimuth = 43.43°, Elevation angle = -0.6407°
Terrain elevation variation is 115.7 m
Propagation mode is line-of-sight, minimum clearance 2.8F1 at 3.5km
Average frequency is 5625.000 MHz
Free Space = 119.0 dB, Obstruction = 0.9 dB, Urban = 0.0 dB, Forest = 0.0 dB, Statistics = 18.7 dB
Total propagation loss is 138.6 dB
System gain from House to Source is 157.0 dB
System gain from Source to House is 157.0 dB
Worst reception is 18.4 dB over the required signal to meet
80.000% of time, 80.000% of locations, 90.000% of situations
ost3vo
join:2004-10-20
Riverside, CA

ost3vo

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Thanks Semaphore. It'll definitely be interesting erecting a 12 meter tower - or at least something close to it. I do have a concern though...actually make it 2.

The side of the property where I would need to place the tower is the side closest to the power lines, and by the looks of it, those power lines look to be some 40 ft high. The signal wouldn't run parallel but it would cross it in diagonal fashion. Is this going to cause any substantial interference on the 5ghz spectrum? Tower would lie approximately 10-12 ft from the power lines since the power lines run on the side of the street furthest from us.

My second concern is the wind load. There tends to be a number of days throughout the year where the wind really huffs and puffs. Would you recommend a specific type of tower and for the fairest price? On that note, our property has lots of foliage, so if I do this I'd definitely consider those tree look-alike towers.

Regards

Semaphore
Premium Member
join:2003-11-18
101010

Semaphore

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I've never had problems at 5 Ghz with Power lines but we have with 900Mhz.

BUT working with steel that close to power might be a disaster. Maybe the bank shot is a better plan in that case. The Alt's were closer to the edge of the hill and could get away with a bit less height - like maybe 8 to 10 meters.

The tower that we call a Gold Nugget, or a GN, is a light duty tower that can take a pretty good load at up to 6m above the last brace. They are 'TV towers' made for residential Television Antenna which has a pretty big wind load. 3 Tubular legs, with horizontal braces about 3m in length. Easy to assemble. Probably $130 per section when you work in the brackets, base plate and rods. The NBM5 is a small unit - it will be almost invisible on that tower as far as wind goes.