Feedback → Re: Call me a Luddite

 
I tried to change my browser font to Verdana, to witness the revelation for myself, and later to Comic Sans MS, but I could not get either to show unless I set it to override the websites' fonts.

But when I did THAT, I also lost the characters of the Awesome font in the Toolbar icons.

Is there a way to set my FF 24.8.1 ESR on XP Home SP3 to let me have both the alternate default font and the Awesome font for the toolbar at the same time - simultaneously e-ven ?

Or must I resort to CSS like YOU did ?

its not resorting, CSS is the way to apply style changes to html, (CSS is cascading *style* sheet). You are trying to use a method that is incomptible with current web sites and/or not implemented fully, after all it should say: sub font A for font B.

So if your your browser does not have a simple "use my style sheet" option, then obtain an extension that allows this. I believe Firefox has many such extensions.

 
Au contraire, it IS resorting, but that said, I have no objection to doing so.

I just wanted to know whether I should have expected my browser to have behaved any differently than it did, during the test which I described in my last post.

I had no problems seeing the new 'fonticons' before doing that test, while using the default settings of the browser, and none since, and was only curious as to how easy it would be to change them by using its existing options system.

If I need to add some more CSS, I will, and have some already actively in use for unrelated reasons.

And doing it manually is no biggie.

Thanks

to resort implies reaching for a more primitive solution.

setting a browser to override all fonts is exactly what it says on the box, I dont think many users can use that anymore because it was a prefernce invented before CSS.

 
That is not my interpretation of the term 'resort'.

To me, it means ANY other solution than the one which I would have preferred to have had work at that moment.

But anyway, are you suggesting that my browser's settings for fonts were giving me the best result that they were designed to give, or could I have set them another way to get a different body font and not upset the fonticon characters ?

I do realize that even if they HAD changed the main body font(s) on DSLR without affecting the fonticons, that the change would have been global to include all other sites, and in the short term, it would have still satisfied my curiosity about using Verdana for a few days to see what I thought of it.

Look if a browser has a setting "OVER RIDE ALL FONTS" and you put a new font in, then it is going to do exactly that. All fonts, no matter the purpose, get changed to your choice of font.

That is a blunt instrument to say the least. It may work when we all used Netscape on a blue background but now with the increasing use of different fonts for multiple purposes that setting should either be removed from browsers or replaced with "OVERRIDE FONT ____ WITH FONT ____"

Safari took the attitude that the setting was useless on the modern web and has this option front and centre in the first preference pane.

You need the latest Pale Moon just out 25.6.0. It fixes this problem and is mentioned in the Pale Moon Release Notes.

"Added a feature to allow icon fonts to be used even when users disallow the use of document-specified fonts. This should retain full navigation for icon-font heavy websites (no more dreaded "boxes" with hex codes) when custom text fonts are disabled."

Fx 40 or 41 will fix it there. I still have Verdana Bold as the font for all websites but I no longer have the problem of the little dots in place of icons here and at some other sites. The new icons are so extremely tiny that I can't really tell what they are....the old ones are much better. But I'd rather have real tiny icons than huge ones. Rather ironic that everyone wanted gigantic icons for years (not just website ones but taskbar, systray, desktop, etc) and now everyone wants extremely tiny ones when seems to me now should be when larger ones are popular because monitors are large now...mine is 24" and my Samsung Smart TV that I can use as a monitor is 46".

I am very glad the problem is fixed on one browser now. I wonder if Microsoft will do anything for IE 10? I can't move to IE 11 unless I move to Windows 8.1 Pro. I suppose there are a lot of happy folks out there now as there have been a lot of complaints around the web about these new icons from users who want to use the font of their choice at all websites and have been able to do so quite happily until this trend with these strange little funny looking icons.

Thanks - I missed the new PM as I had not checked lately.

This would save me some CSS, and may well be my final push to abandon FF completely on all new enough PCs, as long as the XP editions of PM have the capability too, and all of my extensions or their PM substitutes work well enough.

The nice thing about using custom user CSS is that most of the browsers can use it, including IE, PaleMoon, and FF::
»webdesign.about.com/od/c ··· ewin.htm

Just write one custom sheet and point all your browsers to it for consistent settings between all browsers. Upgraded browsers, new browsers, etc. just point to the CSS file for your custom font display settings. No need to go and set a bunch of preferences for every new browser.
»en.wikibooks.org/wiki/In ··· r_Styles

The whole reason the browsers' all allow easy configuration of custom user CSS is to do the sort of things you and Mele20 want. Fine custom control over page display and it's not limited to just font control. Among other things, text box sizing control can also be handled.

Thanks for the tip.

Actually, my use for CSS so far has only been to make the UI's of particular Mozilla browsers look and/or behave differently than their defaults.

This is the first time that I have considered using CSS to change the CONTENT of a website, and only out of curiosity (trying Mele's favourite font) and necessity (now that Justin has embraced 'fonticons').

Your idea sounds interesting for the purpose which you meant it, but since some of my existing CSS is browser-specific, I'm not sure that I could use a common CSS file for multiple browsers.

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The whole reason the browsers' all allow easy configuration of custom user CSS is to do the sort of things you and Mele20 want.

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Yes its quite awesome!!!

Before last year I had no idea I could any of this!!!!!! (Custom CSS) -- It really is amazing!!