  B52GUNRKM 7D love and D5 Nirvana
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I'm trying..I'm really trying to muster sympathy for the sites that got knocked off line by being advertised in spam.
Oddly enough, I'm failing in the attempt. | |
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2004-Dec-2 6:29 pm
Re: I'm trying..As my Mom used to say in similar ethical conundrums, 12 lashes with a wet noodle, Lycos. | |
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| |  SmokeyI'd rather be skiing
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2004-Dec-2 6:36 pm
Re: I'm trying..Sounds fun...  | |
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| |  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Well I prefer well cooked asparagus myself.:D | |
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|  F walkerHey Intern, Get Me A Campari
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join:2003-04-10
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DDoS spammers......
Sounds good to me..... | |
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| CyberSchnook6Upon Reflection, I Do Not Wish To Post.
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said by B52GUNR:I'm really trying to muster... I'm fresh out of Grey Poupon, myself. | |
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|  MIABye
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said by B52GUNR:I'm really trying to muster sympathy for the sites that got knocked off line by being advertised in spam. Oddly enough, I'm failing in the attempt. I will be sure to light a candle every time I help knock off line a Website advertised in spam  | |
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I'm really trying to muster sympathy for the sites that got knocked off line by being advertised in spam.
Oddly enough, I'm failing in the attempt.
I am failing to feel sorry for them as well. They have sent spam illegally, some (as I have heard) have hackers that crack other sites illegally, yet they are going to complain about us finally fighting back to all their annoyances? I say they have no room to complain. What are they going to do about it though? Start some legal action? I would laugh if they did then got charged with contributing to spam, lol! I do realize the reasoning for backbones to ban them, it can be a bandwidth hog. | |
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Stopping spammersI cant seem to download the screensaver?! | |
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Re: Stopping spammerssaid by Bandito:I cant seem to download the screensaver?! heres their website, appears to be under going some changes or something » makelovenotspam.com/intl/edit when you view the source of that page it says this <!--
- Unfortunately, Microsoft has added a clever new
- "feature" to Internet Explorer. If the text in
- an error's message is "too small", specifically
- less than 512 bytes, Internet Explorer returns
- its own error message. Yes, you can turn that
- off, but *surprise* it's pretty tricky to find
- buried as a switch called "smart error
- messages" That means, of course, that many of
- Resin's error messages are censored by default.
- And, of course, you'll be shocked to learn that
- IIS always returns error messages that are long
- enough to make Internet Explorer happy. The
- workaround is pretty simple: pad the error
- message with a big comment to push it over the
- five hundred and twelve byte minimum. Of course,
- that's exactly what you're reading right now.
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Re: Stopping spammersLooks like the site is down, perhaps for good? Interesting concept, but looks like the spammers are the winners. | |
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xmrocks
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2004-Dec-3 3:49 pm
Re: Stopping spammersWho really knows...Lycos claims the site isn't down and that they are just "undergoing changes" while others claim the site was taken down by hackers. It's a big point the finger game. You're right though, it is an interesting concept.  | |
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Jameson
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2004-Dec-2 6:47 pm
Stupid BASTARDShaha i feel no sorrow for participating in that im glad that it knocked thoes bastards off the www. | |
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2004-Dec-2 6:53 pm
Re: Stupid BASTARDSyou do realize youre actually HELPING spammers by turning to vigilantism? | |
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dierro
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2004-Dec-2 7:19 pm
Re: Stupid BASTARDSsaid by lyls:
you do realize youre actually HELPING spammers by turning to vigilantism?
How so? | |
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said by lyls:
you do realize youre actually HELPING spammers by turning to vigilantism?
I can understand a point about taking the high road, and tend to agree philosophically. But given that nothing, including waiting patiently for the legal system to work, appears to have really hurt spammers, explain how exactly this really does help spammers in reality and not in theory? I think spammers may well be scared by this new approach, and that variations that avoid the characteristics of a DDOS attack may be the wave of the future. For instance, I'd like to see a widespread trial of user tools that generated a (anonymized) single hit to the URLs in spam e-mail, since I don't think that the merchants who are sponsoring spam can afford or handle traffic proportionate to that with which they burden the recipients of their advertising. | |
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Trakker8
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2004-Dec-2 6:50 pm
Dume ass LycosThey just made millions of people party to a lawsuit and criminal action.
There is no "protection" for people that spam a spammer or DDoS a DDoS'r. | |
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|  justin..needs sleep
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Re: Dume ass Lycosthat isn't gonna happen. lycos may back off in the end, but there was never a practical legal risk to users of the screensaver. | |
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| |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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Re: Dume ass Lycos***double post, sorry*** | |
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said by justin:that isn't gonna happen. lycos may back off in the end, but there was never a practical legal risk to users of the screensaver. I agree, that, coupled with the fact that it'll almost be impossible to determine *legit* traffic (people getting spammed) from the other traffic. | |
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Really knocked offline?Or simply (re)moved by the spammers, due to high bandwidth costs? (which *was* the intent!) Then wooing that these spam hating treehuggers are responsible for 'disabling' their sites, hoping to gain some sympathy.
I think the latter is more likely. | |
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w00tGO LYCOS | |
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"a few major internet backbones are preventing acc"...a few major internet backbones are preventing access to the new Lycos website."
Hmmm. So they *can* do it. Why don't they prevent access to the truly evil websites, like child porn, spammers and phishers then? Or maybe they do, but where is the list, and who keeps it? And where is the recourse if someone legit gets accidentally knocked off? Hmm.... | |
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|  zoom3148Superman
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zoom3148
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2004-Dec-2 8:00 pm
Re: "a few major internet backbones are preventingsaid by claudeo:"...a few major internet backbones are preventing access to the new Lycos website." Hmmm. So they *can* do it. Why don't they prevent access to the truly evil websites, like child porn, spammers and phishers then? Or maybe they do, but where is the list, and who keeps it? And where is the recourse if someone legit gets accidentally knocked off? Hmm.... Simple, Money, Money, Money. | |
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ceocio
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2004-Dec-2 7:35 pm
another idea to spam spammersSo I was thinking....
How about lettng users DOS attack the specific spammers that spammed us? A program that we can install and add spammers to the blacklist, so we can do collective spamming back to these suckers. I would be willing to pay an annual subscription in order to revenge these suckers that spam my mailboxes. With enough users download the program, we can contribute to the cause of stopping spammers for good. Any one/company up to the challenge? | |
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|  Combat ChuckToo Many Cannibals
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Re: another idea to spam spammersThe only "cause" you'll advance is that of more laws to protect spammers from vigilantes who decide that the ends justify the means.
And don't forget the horrible damage done when every numbnut who wants to DOS a site now has even easier access to the software to do so; no more wading thru the Haxxorz sites.
Spam is here to stay, theres nothing you can do to stop it without making it worse for legitimate users. The best thing you can do is use filters to make it easy to ignore it; the more attention paid to spammers the more they win. | |
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ceocio
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2004-Dec-2 7:58 pm
Re: another idea to spam spammersI wouldnt worry about that. The program should be able to distinguish real spammers and only attck these. The local blacklist can be compared against that of in the central database to determine if there are enough requests to justify the attack..The central server can then authorize the client to iniate such an attack. said by Combat Chuck:And don't forget the horrible damage done when every numbnut who wants to DOS a site now has even easier access to the software to do so; no more wading thru the Haxxorz sites. | |
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| | | Combat ChuckToo Many Cannibals
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Re: another idea to spam spammersSo whoever get most votes gets DOS'd?
Or does one person decide?
What if you don't agree with that person?
Do you really want to travel down the road of coordinated attacks against those who a certain group, in their own opinion, decides are detrimental to the net? I've seen the violently anti-spam community work. I do not want that group of self righteous, power hungry, egomaniacs deciding what is "good" and what is "bad" because once they eliminate the "bad" they will move the line so they can continue their quest to feel important.
And the spammers will work around it everyone else will suffer under it. | |
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JPCass
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2004-Dec-3 1:31 am
Re: another idea to spam spammerssaid by Combat Chuck:So whoever get most votes gets DOS'd? Or does one person decide? What if you don't agree with that person? How about a simple tool that does something like allow many individual users to generate a single (anonymized) hit to the URLs in spam that they personally receive? Multiply that by all the people who get spam, and the merchants ultimately sponsoring the spam would have to bear a burden of traffic more in proportion to what they subject others. | |
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wait until the spammers redirect there dns to fbi.gov now your ddosing a goverment web site, and now your federally f*ck3d | |
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2004-Dec-2 11:29 pm
Re: another idea to spam spammersyeah right, like they're gonna change their ip to fbi. | |
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| |  devrandomI got a pot, full of random stuff here
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I'm sure Lycos is watching all of this very carefully. When you wield great power, you have to wield great care.
Especially with all of this stuff going around about how criminal this is (whether it is or not is determined by the person). | |
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2004-Dec-2 7:41 pm
Bad dog, Lycos!Don't do that again. Here's some filet mignon, boy. | |
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We should Support Lycos.....!:::
We should Support Lycos.....!
Let's take down all the spammer &
the company who promote their
product through spammer.....!
Lycos Go Go Go......!
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LycosWhere is Lycos located? If it isn't in the US it is not subject to US laws, right? Maybe there are international treaties that govern this sort of thing?
I wouldn't worry about individual users of the screensaver being charged in the DDoS attacks because each individual is probably not flooding the spammers servers enough to qualify as a DDoS attack.
I really don't get much spam with my primary bellsouth email address. However, I do have a couple of email addresses that I use as junk addresses. Seems to work well. | |
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kabhal
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2004-Dec-2 8:25 pm
Any other place to download it?The site is (obviously) down now, is there any other place to get the screensaver? | |
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| Mankind121
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Re: Any other place to download it?I don't think the screen saver is working at the moment though | |
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Could use that hereOk, how do we get something similar for those low-lifes at doubleclick, claria, et. al? | |
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BBR Team Spam Killers!We need a distributed computing like team to track and hit spammers. Can you imagine? Spammer@home? | |
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SpamSpamming is illegal. What recourse do they have? Are they gonna tell the govt. they're being ddossed because they're spammers? | |
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| devrandomI got a pot, full of random stuff here
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Re: SpamRemember the DNC list, and how the call centers complained that they were laying off droves of workers? They tried to make us feel sorry about that, but pity, a lot of people were cheering. | |
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|  Derch
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I have no love or pity for spammers and their fake businesses. | |
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I love itI hope more of this happens. Let more these clowns know we will not stand for it and will retaliate. No more profit from misery directed at citizensm and then try and hide. Digital domain is the new wild west. They fired the first shot and now ppl fired back. keep it up my friends. | |
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I'm going to coin a phraseCoordinated Vigilateism
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Re: I'm going to coin a phraseBegun, these spam wars have... | |
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Thaler
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2004-Dec-3 1:00 pm
Re: I'm going to coin a phraseLet's at least hope that we get better actors in this one. It's a sad state of affairs when your animatronic/digitized characters are your best actors in the entire movie! | |
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2004-Dec-3 1:04 pm
4000 spams and countingI receive over 4000 spams a month - this month I have already recieved 500 spams - that's just since Dec. 1! I am now on track to breaking my previous record of 4,286 in one month.
Do I feel upset at the vigilanty activity? Not one a bit. I realize this is wrong and blah blah blah. But I have reached such a level of frustration with the spammers - although i have a great program that holds the spam - and their self righteous attitudes towards their business that I now applaud these actions. Would I participate in a ddos if it meant stopping the spam glut? You bet. | |
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