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Trump Embraces BPL
Buildings get high-speed via power outlets
Telkonet, the company that is wiring the Baghdad Media Center in Iraq with BPL (broadband over power-line), has been picked to do the same for several Donald Trump properties in Manhattan, according to Telecom Web. Microwave Satellite Technologies (a Trump signed ISP) is handling the installation in both residential and commercial buildings.
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kv5e
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kv5e

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Manages Connectivity Like Money

You're Fired Donald!

...if you think BPL will last to profitability!

kv5e

BPL I WANT IT NOW
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BPL I WANT IT NOW

Anon

Re: Manages Connectivity Like Money

ALERT:> ARRL distorting facts on BPL progress

fyi> ALERT: ARRL distorting facts on BPL progress...
according to AMBIENT CEO and CONSOLIDATED EDISON spokeperson interview ...and now ELNK rep. had spoken the TRUTH: Dec. 28,2004 !!!!

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw/audio/earthli..

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw/pages/bplw15-..

ARRL press release: Major ISP(EARTHLINK) Tells FCC BPL Not a 'Commercially Viable Alternative' to Cable, DSL: »www.eham.net/articles/9830

Folks, ED/ABTG/ELNK BPL project in New York is still going on... BROADBAND OVER POWER OUTLETS is alive and kicking !!!!!! ======>>>>>

RE: »www.nypost.com/business/37477.htm

FYI: AMBIENT CEO and CON-EDISON`s Cris Olert interview direct links:

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw/audio/coned1...

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw/audio/johnjoy..

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw/audio/earthli..
NetEng_Dude
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It figures

Good luck getting the turkey (BPL) to work. Smells like nothing more than a cheap bid by both parties for a little free publicity. Without a doubt there will have to be 'real' data comm and broadband supplied to the facilities.

Chris 313
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Chris 313

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Re: It figures

If it works for him, let him do it. If it doesn't, then he'll have learned a costly lesson.

for BPL now
@optonline.net

for BPL now

Anon

re: ALERT:> ARRL distorting facts on BPL progress

fyi> ALERT: ARRL distorting facts on BPL progress...
according to AMBIENT CEO and CONSOLIDATED EDISON spokeperson interview ...and now ELNK rep. had spoken the TRUTH: Dec. 28,2004 !!!!

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw ··· k1.0.wma

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw ··· 212.html

ARRL press release: Major ISP(EARTHLINK) Tells FCC BPL Not a 'Commercially Viable Alternative' to Cable, DSL: »www.eham.net/articles/9830

Folks, ED/ABTG/ELNK BPL project in New York is still going on... BROADBAND OVER POWER OUTLETS is alive and kicking !!!!!! ======>>>>>

RE: »www.nypost.com/business/ ··· 7477.htm

FYI: AMBIENT CEO and CON-EDISON`s Cris Olert interview direct links:

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw ··· ned1.wma

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw ··· yce1.wma

»www.etopiamedia.net/bplw ··· k1.0.wma

MxxCon
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Microwave Satellite Technologies

»www.mst-online.com aka NuVisions cable is absolutely the worst cable ISP in existence!
they recently went out of business and pulled out of Brooklyn.
our Apt Complex and 'Trump Village' across the street were abounded by this company and were forced to switch to Cablevision.
while BPL is promising, i pity those who'll be stuck with Nuvisions.

odog
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he'll bankrupt it, don't worry =)

i think it's umm good for BPL...

i mean the only successful thing trump has is a TV show, everything else he touches goes bankrupt
b10010011
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wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

"Telkonet, the company that is wiring the Baghdad Media Center in Iraq with BPL (broadband over power-line)"

Why are my tax dollars going to wire a terrorist coutry with broadband and we can't even get DSL in hometown America?

Robert
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Robert

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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

said by b10010011:

"Telkonet, the company that is wiring the Baghdad Media Center in Iraq with BPL (broadband over power-line)"

Why are my tax dollars going to wire a terrorist coutry with broadband and we can't even get DSL in hometown America?
So the rest of the world can see what a wonderful coutnry we are. We give them a democratic life WITH high speed internet included! Aren't we great!!

Shamshoon
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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

You give them democracy and internet in one hand, and you give them bombs, destruction, killings, and chaos on the other hand. How wonderful you are.

xNPC
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we are so smart

we are so smart, we are so smart...S-M-R-T....i mean s-m-a-r-t

N3OGH
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Re: we are so smart

Way to go Homer!!!!

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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

Ok what is more important? To have broadband in the media center in Iraq where thousands of our troops are?

Or for you to have DSL in small town America and be able to download porn at a faster rate?
b10010011
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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

said by authagent:


Ok what is more important? To have broadband in the media center in Iraq where thousands of our troops are?

Or for you to have DSL in small town America and be able to download porn at a faster rate?
Um... I believe the military has its own internet connections in place already. None of this is for our troops.
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Remember, the primary purpose of BPL is to jam shortwave radio reception. You have a place like Baghdad where the occupation forces control the local media and stage-manage most of the American stooges, and they don't want the media there to hear outside perspectives. So BPL kills two birds with one stone. It provides a filtered, sanitized Internet feed, and it blocks the developing world's most open channel for outside information.

N3OGH
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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

Conspiracy theroists of the world unite.....
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You know, I hate BPL for its polluting aspect as when BUT WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT ASSUMPTION?!?!?!?!!?

Be sure to wear your tin foil hat while scanning for those black helicopters.

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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

LMAO I choked on my lunch
b10010011
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b10010011

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Now I understand why the Republicans are so against paying taxes. The people running our government (That would be the Republicans?) waste our taxes on welfare for terrorists!

Get them American welfare mothers off their butts and put them to work at Wal-Mart, because the terrorists need broadband!

authagent
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authagent

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Re: wiring the Baghdad Media Center?

It is going to a media center, not to terrorists. Of course America is going to have some overview on this center. OF course Intl media is going to use this center.

Mr. b10010011 don't you think that the cost to wire this media center is pretty small percentage of the total ammount of money the US spends in Iraq? If the media is used in a way that makes people chill out there, we will be able to save a lot of money by having less troops deployed.

The more a group of people are educated about what's going on in the outside world, the less likely violence is going to incur. So I believe we are better off, if for no other reason the financial, to have a well informed Iraqi population via this internet that you are opposed to us paying for, then to have another situation where a single dictator can control all the news coming into the country.

Of course this logic leaves no room for anyone to complain about not being able to get DSL at their house... so b10010011 might not care for it.

gwion
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Other than in the strictest sense...

Wellllllll... isn't portraying this as "BPL" (sense we use it in, of late, implying a service delivered over a large, geographically distributed outside plant) a little stretched? BPL in a localized scenario like that isn't really BPL. It's (for want of a better term) LAN over power lines, really. Accesses the gateway, and then is transmitted to the WAN as conventional broadband. If there is any place for BPL, that might be it... but it still miffs me. Why, with fiber and all of the cutting edge technologies out there, and with current broadband technology being the prime example of the "shelf life of a ripe banana" metaphor of obsolescence we have going, right now, would anybody want a technology from the sixties in a new install? Cost savings? Retrofitting is going to be a killer, within a decade or so, when real FTTP is a reality in some areas. Mostly in the kind of urban areas Trump owns properties in...

It's not a killer app. And it works, in the scenario painted, assuming it's well enough engineered. There's nothing "revolutionary" about THIS application. Using the power lines for local area networking was even a brief fad in the consumer arena, not that long ago. It's networking in a white box with black type that says, "generic LAN, suitable for everyday use, some settling may occur during shipping..." The typical building has a limited electrical infrastructure. You can bridge transformers and so forth, filter loads for interference, and all that rather easily. It's when you try distributing it over the "outside plant" power company infrastructures you run into big, nasty problems drooling at you through the trees.

So -- sure. It'll work, in that limited scenario... probably. Most of the time, anyway, and at very least adequately for current demands. But what happens in ten years? Who'll even want it? If I have a nice new fiber feed right down the last mile and straight to my gateway, why do I want a severely limited analog technology delivering the last yard? Of course, maybe Donald's crazy like the proverbial fox. Figuring that this will eliminate cat5 costs in his properties, simplify wiring, and let him adopt the best and lowest cost technology when the technology's mature, and costs and performance are stable and established.

Put it this way. If I build a new home, I probably would try and provide for easy retrofit wiring down the road, but I don't want to spend a fortune on pure fiber inside wiring, right now, for a technology that hasn't established a track record, and that I don't have, yet. I'll wait, and when I see how technology's developed, I'll buy my plant when I have the tech to use it on. For now, I'll use a minimalist cat5 traditional network, knowing it's being obsolesced as I type, but that it's got a lot of good years, for basic 100btx and broadband delivery.

Don't know where he's coming from, or what he's factoring in, but assuming he's talking doing it as strictly inside plant in a building, it should work passably well. It already has, for years.

Again, I reiterate my traditional aside on BPL, it's neither new nor is it revolutionary. It's been developed and usable as a general concept for almost forty years. It's getting around the inherent limitations that's a challenge. But do we want to set the precedent of pouring billions into patching the hull of a leaky garbage scow so it can double as a supertanker, when we already have beautiful, seaworthy supertankers, and new ones already in the shipyard under construction that will very likely obsolesce the existing ones in around a decade, instead of pouring those billions into the new technology and getting IT to the people who need it, instead of getting them (as under served markets typically and traditionally get) a quick fix chewing gum and string solution?

In this case, though, you won't find me ranting, as I've been known to, on the waste and impracticality of BPL... not because my mind's changed, now... but because it's a different scenario, one that's suited to the technology. As I noted, current broadband tech is around as stable as wet quicksand, right now. It's changing on a daily basis, and DSL/cable as we know it's probably bound for obsolescence as soon as serious progress is made in FTTP. Hell, soon as fiber to the neighborhood is widely established, I predict we'll possibly be looking at vDSL as a real normative technology... and when we have the last mile done, it'll be entirely possible to wire the premises in fiber, and get the full punch end to end ATM over fiber can deliver.

... but that all might change, if somebody develops something even better, while I'm sleeping, tonight.

XPL (anything over power lines) is yesterday's tech being cleaned up, shaven and sobered up for today's demands. It already has a place, for local intercoms, even broadband-only LOCAL networks, low demand remote control and monitoring apps, things along those lines... it really strikes me as the niche for developers with great engineering skills and credentials, but a really poor sense of vision and creativity and a shortage of original ideas, to get into.

The engineer with a lot of vision and creativity, if you ask me, is looking at fiber and beyond, pure ATM networking, and taking into account that broadband bandwidth demand is expanding in geometric leaps. Almost everybody not using dialup... now, think about it... here has at least what used to be a fractional T-1. Some of us have close to the bandwidth equivalent of a T-3 in our homes. And everybody clamors for more, as they start getting interested in online gaming, VOIP, streaming media... and connecting more users to the gateway. I'm going on a bit, now, though... so... hmmm... catchy ending to sum it all up... hmmm... OK, got it:

"We need to be acting in 2005, but thinking in 2015, not in 1988."

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Re: Other than in the strictest sense...

Thank you for reminding folks that "BPL" is a catch-all for many different things, and that there is a HUGE difference between using BPL for "last few yards" circuitry to the consumer and using it for basic transmission/distribution functions.

Now if we could only get the journalists to understand the difference....

calvoiper
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Good thing I read down to your post cause I was gonna say the same thing.

This is not BPL it is more like "Power line Ethernet" You can by this in most Compusa stores. You connect a small adapter to a electrical outlet and plug the Lan side of you gateway/modem/router into it then you connect as many adapters need to outlets near the devices that need Lan access; connecting those devices to the adapters with an ethernet cable.

I would say this is what is being installed in the Trump buildings, albeit in a slightly more sophisticated manner
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Sounds like HomePlug on a larger scale...

... and for LANs where, for whatever reason, you don't want to (or can't) run Cat5, it works fine. I'm using it right now.

The HomePlug 1.0 standard is 14 Mbps (physical layer), which is OK for most home and SOHO applications, in particular sharing a connection to the internet via DSL or cable. The new HomePlug AV system which was demonstrated at CES this past week offers speeds of 200 Mbps.

»www.homeplug.com

- Dan
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Baghdad and Trump

..last ditch efforts to scam press for a dying technology.

Consider the price of BPL in terms of repeaters every 200 yards, installation risks and fees for medium voltage lines, and interference mitigation costs (and yes, there is interference and lots of it). Compare that to a WiFi mesh network utilizing the same poles. Why take the risks and pollute the airways for something inferior to WiFi?

These bozos are scrambling for any kind of success story money and influence can buy.
mc5w
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Re: Baghdad and Trump

Inside of a skyscraper the outlets run off of 3-phase transformers that create separately derived systems that are almost always in metal enclosed wiring. The distance is limited. This is just a souped up version of the toys that turn house wiring into data wiring.

Each transformer would have to be fed off of a backbone such as fiberoptic.

BPL would work for Consolidated Edison because underground high voltage cables are shielded even for those few that are only 4,000 volts 3-wire 3-phase. Most circuits are 7,970Y13,800 or 15,940Y27,600 volts. The cables for these are essentially souped up coaxial cables - not much difference in construction. The problem is getting repeaters that are fully submersible in water.

Mike Cole, mc5w@earthlink.net