cbrigante2Wait til Next Year Premium Member join:2002-11-22 North Aurora, IL
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Add another one...Another application to add to my "do not bother with" list. | |
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| TheMetrixR.T.F.M. - P.E.B.K.A.C Premium Member join:2002-06-15 Utica, MI |
Re: Add another one...There is only two products I use for removing adware/spyware from computers I get in, Spybot S&D and Ad-Aware.
Everytime I've tried using Pest Patrol it doesn't work worth a damn so I just uninstall it too. Why waste my time with a product that doesn't do what it advertises. | |
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| | Hickerx2God Bless The U.S. Military join:2001-03-04 Franklinville, NY |
Re: Add another one...said by TheMetrix: Why waste my time with a product that doesn't do what it advertises. We don't know..... Tell us why you use AAW then? | |
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| | roamer1sticking it out at you join:2001-03-24 Atlanta, GA 1 edit |
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said by TheMetrix:There is only two products I use for removing adware/spyware from computers I get in, Spybot S&D and Ad-Aware. Everytime I've tried using Pest Patrol it doesn't work worth a damn so I just uninstall it too. Why waste my time with a product that doesn't do what it advertises. I've long used Ad-Aware, but right *before* the recent Lavasoft/WhenU spat added Spybot S&D to the mix -- and found that the "resident" feature is really nice. I also have the M$ anti-spyware beta around here somewhere, but haven't installed it yet... That said, I rarely get spyware in the first place, as I use Firefox and not IE and generally avoid the types of software (P2P apps, etc.) that carry it (and when I *do* torrents and so on I use open-source stuff)... -SC | |
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| cbrigante2Wait til Next Year Premium Member join:2002-11-22 North Aurora, IL |
I'm more of a Spy Sweeper guy myself. I used to like AdAware, but even before the questions of Claria, I found Spy Sweeper solving more issues with my pcs than AdAware was. | |
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| SlidetboneMazin Go Premium Member join:2002-11-10 Land O Lakes, FL
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Another app bites the dust. Lavasoft made themselves look vulnerable and now, Pest Patrol wusses out.
No thanks. Once a company balks at the very thing they are offering protection against, they lose credibility in my book. | |
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| | rtcpenguin Premium Member join:2001-01-21 Fairfax, VA |
Re: Add another one...said by Slidetbone:Another app bites the dust. Lavasoft made themselves look vulnerable and now, Pest Patrol wusses out. No thanks. Once a company balks at the very thing they are offering protection against, they lose credibility in my book. At least we have Microsoft in the game now. I've had good luck with their program, and I don't think they're going to "wuss" out. | |
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2005-Mar-29 11:38 pm
Re: Add another one...said by rtcpenguin:said by Slidetbone:Another app bites the dust. Lavasoft made themselves look vulnerable and now, Pest Patrol wusses out. No thanks. Once a company balks at the very thing they are offering protection against, they lose credibility in my book. At least we have Microsoft in the game now. I've had good luck with their program, and I don't think they're going to "wuss" out. Yeah, because the adware/spyware companies know that they'd go bankrupt trying to sue MS. | |
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Re: Add another one...So now MS is our friend...?
With friends like them, who needs mother-in-laws? | |
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anonpornman to cbrigante2
Anon
2005-Mar-29 10:39 am
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I've recommended to all of my customers to identify the programs they are using.. If these programs happen to be removing the Adware /spaware definitions i've told my clients to contact the Company and request a refund as their product is not working as stated..
This is going to be a field day with the states attorney generals.. Wait they have no time for this they are trying to keep brain dead people alive. | |
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woody7
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2005-Mar-29 9:03 am
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmThey suc$ you would think that what Lavasoft went through they would get it...... | |
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Re: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmI use this program, and I like it, and I'd rather not have to uninstall it because they make some stupid decision like Lavasoft did. | |
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| exocet_cmWriting Premium Member join:2003-03-23 Brooklyn, NY
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Wow, I had respect for ad-aware...then lost it. I had respect for pest patrol...now lost it. I have respect for Spybot S&D...better not loose it.
It only takes ONE time to smear your name. Give yourself a bad rap and you will have to try twofold to get your respect back. | |
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2005-Mar-29 11:48 am
Re: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmspybot s&d is based in germany
good luck suing them
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guitarzan Premium Member join:2004-05-04 Skytop, PA
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You Gotta Be Kidding MeIs it the lure of easy money.? That these companies are dropping Spyware/Walware/Adware/Shitware/Fcuk up my computer/ With foreign junk I DON'T want on my O/S in the first place.? I have Computer Associates as a fire wall and Anti Virus.Is it recommended to drop CA like a rag knowing this info.? TIA Guitarzan | |
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Too BadAnother one bites the dust. MS AntiSpy has to dectect this prime piece of crapware so who cares? EDIT: CA is no Mom and Pop operation. I wonder why they flipped so easily? I am interested to see what happens to their stock price when the market opens today. | |
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2005-Mar-29 9:12 am
Death to All SCUMWARE Pimps !The only good Spammer/Spyware/Hacker PIMP is a DEAD ONE! Any Anti-SCUMWARE company who would compromise their product due to threats of litigation from the criminals, doesn't deserve to sell or distribute their USELESS product. The day some SCUMBAG criminal gets to tell me what SPYWARE/SCUMWARE they can download to my PC without my permission is they day they DIE ! | |
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| cbrigante2Wait til Next Year Premium Member join:2002-11-22 North Aurora, IL 1 edit |
Re: Death to All SCUMWARE Pimps !Ok....no more coffee for you!:o | |
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said by BetYourAzzBucko:
The only good Spammer/Spyware/Hacker PIMP is a DEAD ONE! Any Anti-SCUMWARE company who would compromise their product due to threats of litigation from the criminals, doesn't deserve to sell or distribute their USELESS product. The day some SCUMBAG criminal gets to tell me what SPYWARE/SCUMWARE they can download to my PC without my permission is they day they DIE ! Forget to take your meds today Taylor01? | |
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2005-Mar-29 9:19 am
bps removerI use bullet proof software spyware and adware remover and it is great.. it also has frequent updates | |
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2005-Mar-29 9:32 am
Re: bps removerI use Linux and dont get any of that troublesome crap on my PC. I'll never look back after leaving MS. Like a divorce that went well, I'm loving it. It's nice to not even worry about petty crap like spyware. | |
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2005-Mar-29 3:14 pm
Re: bps removerI use Firefox, I also don't worry about nor ever run into *ware since I left IE. Linux is irrelevant. | |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ 3 edits |
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2005-Mar-29 9:26 am
Removal link now works; but CA still stinksquote: While Pest Patrol is on Claria hiatus, they've failed to offer users any sort of removal tool, instead - as Eric Howes notes - offering a dead link to removal instructions.
This link to manual removal of Claria software at CA's web site now works: » www3.ca.com/content/defa ··· ID=67999But I still think CA's process for removal of Claria from the database stinks. The process removes the detection as soon as an appeal is lodged. What it should do is remove the detection only after the investigation is over, not before it starts. Stinking lawyers. My Web PageMy BlogJoin Red Room Forum | |
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2005-Mar-29 9:34 am
Should there be more options?A lot of the controversy, and the difficulty the detection companies have with these companies putting out the invasive software, is the lumping together of the most abusive of it - uninstallable, reporting to remote servers, etc. - from the more moderate adware. While it's close to equally objectionable to most of us technical users, there may in fact be a real distinction to be made.
Would it help clarify these controversies, for the detection companies to break software into different categories? They might be able to deal with the adware vendors more easily, by having criterial for downgrading applications that were uninstallable and better behaved, rather than having no choice between dropping the application completely from detection or else getting into an ugly fight. Users could then make choices as to what level of software removal they wanted. Or would that just muddy the waters, and complicate the fight against mal/ad - ware? | |
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| Rogue WolfAn Easy Draw of a Sad Few join:2003-08-12 Troy, NY |
Re: Should there be more options?While there are plenty of what I might term "fanatics" whose view is "crapware is crapware, if I didn't put it on my computer it doesn't belong and I want it to die", I personally think you may have a point. It seems as though these companies are more using the terminology as an excuse for these lawsuits, and not actually suing the makers of the anti-(X)ware programs for REMOVING the programs in question. Maybe they know that angle to be a hopeless fight, and are using the attack available to them? Would changing the terminology or perhaps ranking these programs help- and if so, how would we avoid the mess Lavasoft ran into with its TAC system concerning WhenU?
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notbuyingit
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2005-Mar-29 10:06 am
It will hurt them in the long runWe have 2,000 corporate licenses and one of the primary reasons we purchased antyspyware was to get rid of the gator program and the smileys. Our lawyer is going over the SLA agreement right now to determine whether or not they violated it by pulling this major piece of crapware from their detection engine. I understand that CA may be threatened by these money hungry pigs but soon they will start to realize that letting down your customers, especially large businesses will have legal and financial consequences as well. | |
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Re: It will hurt them in the long runGo git 'em notbuyingit!
I wonder how many other corp. customers are going to start yelling when Claria's "products" start popping up on their employee's screens? | |
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oliphantI Have 8 Boobies Premium Member join:2004-11-26 Corona, CA |
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2005-Mar-29 10:27 am
Whores...the lot of 'emThat's fine. They can whore themselves out to Claria just as Lavasucks did with WhenU.
And their reputations will be gone 4-ever. When they come boo hooing back they'll get the middle finger from the users they screwed over. | |
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2005-Mar-29 10:44 am
This is crazyI don't have such an issue with the decision not to detect/remove certain known crapware, but WHY then provide a link for removing said crapware manually????? If you're gonna sleep with the enemy, then do so and be done with it. I'll choose not to use your compromised software, and go on with my life. But double standards make you look as lame as you are.
That's like (insert fav. AV software) saying "We're no longer going to detect the Blaster worm, because we feel it's really misunderstood, but here's a link to remove it yourself if you like." The whole reason I USE your software is because I don't want to manually remove it. | |
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2005-Mar-29 10:51 am
Don't get spywareDon't get spyware. Tighten up IE, or don't use it. Only use GPL P2P apps.
I think it would help in the future if congress indemnified anti-spyware and anti-virus and anti-whatever vendors from lawsuits like they have gotten. Hopefully that would help the situation. | |
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Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDIS Premium Member join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX |
CA pulls a LavasoftIMO, any anti-spyware vendor that pulls definitions from its database because of legal threats or marketing deals is no better than the adware companies themselves, and doesn't deserve to be trusted any more. I'm glad I dumped EZ Antivirus more than a month ago (around the time that 180 Solutions joined COAST). This is going to cost them in the long run, as users choose a company they can still trust for their security software. | |
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| GlaiceBrutal Video Vault Premium Member join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY |
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2005-Mar-29 11:28 am
Re: JUSTICE!sounds fake to me | |
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Noah Vail
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2005-Mar-29 11:30 am
Re: JUSTICE!If only....it were true.
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2005-Mar-29 11:38 am
Yahoo; Majority owner of Claria?According to this year old blog, which is giving what is now 2 year old info, Yahoo owned (2003) $31M of Gator's then $100M. Can anyone confirm/deny/update this rumor? » www.pcpitstop.com/news/r ··· 0406.aspNV | |
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| Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
Noah Vail
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2005-Mar-29 12:20 pm
Yahoo=Claria - ConfirmedExcerpt from their S-1 filing of 2004 prior to their aborted IPO. Overture is the advertising arm of Yahoo. "Revenue from Overture accounted for 31% of revenue in 2003 and we expect it will account for a substantial portion of our revenue in the foreseeable future. For a further description of our agreement with Overture, please see BusinessKey Strategic Relationships." Taken from Google Cache of the S-1 filing. » 64.233.179.104/search?q= ··· 4+&hl=enPlease forgive my sudden rash of posts. (Perhaps some cream would help.) It's just that I REALLY DESPISE GATOR. Thank You. NV | |
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2005-Mar-29 12:04 pm
Nowhere left to go....For those of us who slept well at night thinking that the might of Microsoft would ultimately protect us, well, wake up. Turns out the original spyware enabler (that would be MS) really isn't dancing to OUR tune. Microsoft Caves to Weatherbug. Read about it here. » netrn.net/spywareblog/ar ··· crosoft/NV | |
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Ant718
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2005-Mar-29 12:42 pm
I Never used Pest Patrol....& Never Will! | |
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TechyDad
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2005-Mar-29 12:56 pm
Good reason to use multiple anti-spyware appsThis way when one of your anti-spyware apps caves into the pressure of a SLAPP lawsuit (and that's what I consider these threats), the other one(s) might still protect you.
I really hope that Congress passes a law protecting anti-spyware vendors. Granted, I don't think a law is really needed as I think the vendors have done nothing wrong. All they've done is taken an opinion ("Claria's Gator software is spyware and should be removed") and written software to allow the users to implement that opinion ("delete these registry keys, remove those files, etc").
Users aren't being forced to accept the opinion. If you happen to think that Gator is the best program in the world, you can decide to tell the program not to remove it. (Contrast this with spyware programs that sneak onto your PC with other applications or via security holes and then won't leave.)
If a program were to detect a non-spyware application as spyware then the program would be publically ridiculed and forced to change. Imagine if Microsoft's anti-spyware detected OpenOffice.org as spyware. They'd be laughed at and their tool would be less and less recommended until they fixed it.
The only thing a law would do is save anti-spyware vendors the costly legal battles needed to fight off the spyware vendors. | |
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Once again...The consumer is called upon to show a company that joining the Dark Side does not pay.
Let them eat PB & J's along with Lavasoft instead of filet mignon. | |
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aldeo
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2005-Mar-29 1:28 pm
Let CA know what you think.I spent about 15 minutes on the phone trying to lodge a complaint with CA. I was finally given a email address to send complaints to:
myetrustclientadvocate@ca.com
This forum is great, but we should be saying it directly to CA. | |
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