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Bright House Says You Really Don't Need 300 Mbps
Company Blows Off Verizon's Latest Speed Hikes
With Verizon recently raising FiOS speeds to 50/25, 75/35, 150/65 and 300/65 Mbps (with equally significant price hikes), the ball is in the cable industry's court when it comes to matching them -- particularly on the upstream side of the equation. In the Northeast Comcast for now appears to be ready to bump several of their speed tiers. In Florida, Bright House Communications is responding to Verizon's marketing shot across the bow -- by blowing the upgrades off. "Research indicates that the vast majority of customers do not have Interest in these types of speeds for their homes, not to mention the potential expense," Bright House spokesman Joe Durkin tells the Tampa Bay Times (via Stop the Cap)."Our network can deliver these speeds if we felt there was a residential market for it," insists Durkin.
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jchambers28
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cable

The way they look at it there in not very many customers that can get FIOS.
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said by jchambers28:

The way they look at it there in not very many customers that can get FIOS.

I'm pretty sure most of Brighthouse's customers in the Tampa area can also get FiOS.

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I was thinking company wide.
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said by jchambers28:

I was thinking company wide.

Tampa is a pretty large chunk of their total customer base.
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Your right we can. I did. I had Fios for 3 yrs and being a tech person let me say that by what medium or method my tv/internet travels is meaningless and pointless. How fast and how much is marketing BS.

Give me correct billing, real customer service and let my internet just work...thats all ya need. VZ has knows nothing of those things only $$$ grab and how next to perform their next trick of near fraud and get away with it.

I have have RR Lightning and plenty of stuff running off hard wired and wireless. Believe me there are no contention issues with bandwidth. even when we had slower services. (were talking multiple gamers, netflix views, cellphones in use, netbooks and roku.)

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"Our network can deliver these speeds if we felt there was a residential market for it," insists Durkin.

If they can, then why don't they offer it? Answer: they can't. If every inch of their plant was DOCSIS 3, they still couldn't subscribe their network to the level Verizon can. It would be suicide to even try.

I don't believe there's much need for 300 Mbps (yet) but c'mon... Verizon is sitting back laughing, while Brighthouse Florida is like the kid on the playground excluded from the game, who walks away saying, "I didn't want to play that stupid game anyway."
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Bright House is right

Unless you plan on providing everyone is your neighborhood or apartment complex with internet you don't need 300 Mbps.

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Re: Bright House is right

said by 88615298:

Unless you plan on providing everyone is your neighborhood or apartment complex with internet you don't need 300 Mbps.

»en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ta ··· 0K.2F1MB

By your flawed logic then 640kb RAM ought to be enough for anybody! Cause it is enough for me and therefore noone else will ever require any more than this!
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Re: Bright House is right

said by somms:

said by 88615298:

Unless you plan on providing everyone is your neighborhood or apartment complex with internet you don't need 300 Mbps.

»en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ta ··· 0K.2F1MB

By your flawed logic then 640kb RAM ought to be enough for anybody! Cause it is enough for me and therefore noone else will ever require any more than this!

Your point is stupid. Name me ONE site that allows you to use 300 Mbps? Netflix maxes out to 4800 kbps and since you can only have 6 devices that's a total of 28 Mbps. Ok let's add 6 more devices maxing out HBOGo and 6 more maxing out Spotify and it's 320 Kbps music streaming. Which is the highest music streaming you can get. Heck let's add a VoIP line constantly being used 24/7 And let add 3 XBOXes all on XBL 24/7. You're not even close to 100 Mbps. Sure in the FUTURE is it possible to need 300 Mbps? Sure. I'll worry about the future when it gets here. You'd have to be stupid for pay for 300 Mbps NOW when it maybe be 5, 10, 20 years before you can use it. Pay for it then.

Also I wasn't talking about ME and MY personal use I referring to people in general.

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Re: Bright House is right

Give it time. Cable is going the way of the landline. Eventually, everything will go through the Internet.
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Re: Bright House is right

if you take away cable- how do you plan on getting that wireline? after all FiOS is a cable medium- by it uses a "cable" to run.

And actually cable won't. FiOS takes HOURS to install where cable doesn't. Customers shop on time, and price, not fully speed. And not many people are signing up for FiOS as Karl and Phillip, along with others want to make it out to be.

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Re: Bright House is right

Have to say, I agree with you here. Not everyone needs this speed, sure make it available, but I definitely won't be paying that kind of money for something I don't need.

I live on a budget, and I have all the speed that I will ever need for recreational use. If I ever score a job where I can work remotely, then yea, I'll want all the extra upload I can get, but for right now I'm happy.

Not saying everyone should think this way, but seriously, at those price points for residential use, I wouldn't convert.

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Re: Bright House is right

A business can certainly use 300 mbps now. They could host their own website cheaper than paying someone to host it. It could support over 100 employees all videoconferencing at the same time.

My router can't do more than 20 mbps via wi-fi, and that's plenty fast enough.

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said by 25139889:

And actually cable won't. FiOS takes HOURS to install where cable doesn't. Customers shop on time, and price, not fully speed. And not many people are signing up for FiOS as Karl and Phillip, along with others want to make it out to be.

Not sure how shitty the FiOS installers are that it would take HOURS to install...

The contract installers who brought my socialist Fiber connection into my house had everything terminated, attached and working in well under an hour!


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Re: Bright House is right

said by somms:

Not sure how sh***y the FiOS installers are that it would take HOURS to install...

The contract installers who brought my socialist Fiber connection into my house had everything terminated, attached and working in well under an hour!

Depends. I've had several business FIOS installations done over the past month, and a couple of them took 2-3 hours. The bulk of the time is trenching in the fiber. One building even had existing conduit from a telco vault outside, but they had to bring the fiber from an access point about 100 yards away. No obstacles, just a long distance. They put in 2 fiber drops-- one lit, one dark-- so they wouldn't have to repeat the job if we added more services in the future. (Fiber is cheap, might as well over-build while the trench is open.)
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They don't trench in Va, they just string the cable into the woods....

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said by SimbaSeven:

Give it time. Cable is going the way of the landline. Eventually, everything will go through the Internet.

I would rather say that cable TV will all be IP based in the future. Being through the Internet means an entirely different thing because your cable provider would be using their existing private network and their traffic does not need to go outside on the public Internet. That's pretty much how it works now except it is not IP based.

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We're talking total bandwidth here. Sure, there isn't a site that can max that particular download speed right now. I think what Verizon is getting at is if you have several devices streaming/downloading at once there won't be a slow down. That's the point of all that bandwidth.
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to answer your question of which site allows use of 300, i don't have the 300 package (yet), but steam maxes out my 150 fios just fine. i guess i'll find out if they can peg the needle on 300 soon.

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In my tests of above 100 mbit, Steam allows higher downloads then 100, so pretty much every legal downloading service.

If it can go above 100 it can do 1000.

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The newsgroups buddy!! Remember the vast array of blu-ray movies from alt.binaries.bluray.

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Anyone with a Usenet service subscription will probably disagree. A proper server will max out your connection no matter what you're on and downloading an HD TV ep in less than 30 seconds is quite awesome in my opinion.
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Re: Bright House is right

said by Razr :

Anyone with a Usenet service subscription will probably disagree. A proper server will max out your connection no matter what you're on and downloading an HD TV ep in less than 30 seconds is quite awesome in my opinion.

I'm talking about LEGAL uses.

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Re: Bright House is right

said by 88615298:

said by Razr :

Anyone with a Usenet service subscription will probably disagree. A proper server will max out your connection no matter what you're on and downloading an HD TV ep in less than 30 seconds is quite awesome in my opinion.

I'm talking about LEGAL uses.

Ok... Downloading a Linux DVD in 30 seconds...
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Re: Bright House is right

said by nightshade74:

said by 88615298:

said by Razr :

Anyone with a Usenet service subscription will probably disagree. A proper server will max out your connection no matter what you're on and downloading an HD TV ep in less than 30 seconds is quite awesome in my opinion.

I'm talking about LEGAL uses.

Ok... Downloading a Linux DVD in 30 seconds...

because you need a Linux DVD in 30 seconds and on a daily basis. if illegal downloading is the only thing 300 Mbps is good for I say good more ISPs don't offer it.
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Re: Bright House is right

Well, if the media companies would ever stop punishing their customers with DRM, being able to buy and download a movie within minutes without the compression and buffering issues of streaming would be popular. Backing up your computer to the cloud in the few minutes before it shuts down would also be handy.

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said by 88615298:

because you need a Linux DVD in 30 seconds and on a daily basis. if illegal downloading is the only thing 300 Mbps is good for I say good more ISPs don't offer it.

Uncompressed HD is what 11GB / hour?
If we're going to get to the ability to stream
HD to multiple devices in a house... This
is where we need to be going.

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said by 88615298:

because you need a Linux DVD in 30 seconds and on a daily basis.

So you mean only legal stuff you would download.

Makes perfect sense.

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10 years ago we thought 1 megabit per second was enough since compared to dialup, it was blazing fast. Websites were optimized for dialup back then, so they loaded very fast at 1mbps. Now, 1 megabit seems slow since web pages are much bigger. Comcast gives me 35 megabits per second according to a speedtest performed when connected via ethernet, but my wireless router can't pump out more than 20 mbps even when right next to the router. Still, even 20 mbps is really fast, and most webpages load instantly, even if they have a lot of video content.
10 years from now, I'm sure 10 mbps will be considered slow. Web videos will be full lossless 1080p, audio will be lossless, hard drive sizes will be a few hundred terabytes. TV networks will be forced to make deals with Internet distributors as people will migrate to subscription IPTV services that will provide HD channels from all over the world. There won't be a need for piracy as restrictions on legitimate content distribution will be lifted.
And you'll need a 300 megabit pipe to enjoy what the Internet has to offer, the price will come down to $50 a month, and you can also enjoy 300 megabits on your 7G smartphone.
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Re: Bright House is right

Can I have some of what you're smoking? You really think the motion picture association will stop trying to control the content?
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It is not just speed

I switched from Comcast to FiOS when it became available with the idea of switching back and forth every few years. But, I have never gone back.

I have 35/35 on Verizon and regularly see speeds of 42/38. Verizon does not market this but a lot of people seem to get it. On Comcast they market PwerBoost that speeds up for a short time. You may even have to pay extra for it.

I have had a line monitor on my home network since I had DSL before Comcast. My FiOS speeds are rock steady while Comcast was all over the map.

I do not need 300/65 but I really appreciate the rock steady nature of FiOS.

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In some ways he is right.

I would not pay for 300/65 because I don't need it and I am certainly not going to pay for it, so any company who pays millions to set up such a service won't get a penny from me.

I do my fair share of Newsgroups and P2P but my 25/5 FIOS is all I need. I got fed up with cable co internet that delivered one tenth of my FIOS speeds at peak periods.

Personally I think anything over $50 a month for internet is too much. I don't understand why the average person would want to pay $150 or $200 a month for internet. Pay $45 a month and buy the friggin movie!

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He's full of shit

"Our network can deliver these speeds if we felt there was a residential market for it."

Really??? Put your network where you mouth is and I guarantee you can't on both the upload and download consistently like Verizon does.
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Re: He's full of shit

Pretty sure BHN can't do 65 Mbps up. I don't care about 300M down (from a person who has played with gigabit symmetric at a university) but upload speeds are yummy goodness.
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lag..

Brighthouse lags behind Comcast in their upgrades and it may not erode customers today.. but over time the deals at Verizon for these speeds will get better... and Brighthouse as well as other cable companies (hint, hint Cablevision) will have to blink and offer better speeds or lower prices.. guess which one they'll be more inclined to offer, if any..

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We don't need 300Mbps broadband, yet.

But I think anyone who isn't a n00b would go with Fios over Bright House any day of the week if they had the choice.

...and then there's Cable Caps. I'm sorry but Cable you lose. Remove the phony caps and you might actually have some meat to your words, but as of now it's not worth a grain of salt.
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BHN Uploads speeds

BHN download speeds are fine, but the ping fluctuation, jitter and overall low QOS need a lot of work.

Uploads speeds are also a major disappointment with bright house.
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Marketing hype

As of today 99.99 percent of FiOS users don't need more than 25/25 Mb/s speed and 99.999 percent don't need more than 35/35. However, many of the readers of DSLR are among the 00.01 and 00.001 percent who do. For the rest, these new speeds are pure marketing and a lame excuse for a rate increase.

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my 2 cents

IMHO...I think the more correct statement would be that most people do not see a need for that much speed at the ridiculously high price that comes with it. Data pricing is becoming a joke in the U.S. and the kicker is that these big ISP have conned the average consumer into being their biggest supporters.
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And Verizon Says

...that you really don't need all those HD channels. Compare BrightHouse's lineup in Central Florida compared to FiOS.

And BrightHouse is cap-free, and has no intention of switching. Verizon has mentioned flirting with UBB as a cash grab on FiOS, and considering what they did with wireless, I wouldn't be surprised to see them enact the most punitive caps of anyone, even though we all know there's no limitations with the FiOS market.

Considering that until a few weeks ago in many markets the fastest speed that could be bundled was 35/35, BrightHouse was already winning the speed race in their markets for most users. Upload speed is nice, but it's just not that important to most users.
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Is there still an arbitrary tcp/udp connection limit

With Comcast?

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Of cource Bright house would say that....

Anyone not offering it would say you don't NEED 300 mbps, If they had FTTH do you think that they would let verizon offer that speed and them not follow suit? Personally for residential use ( in 2012) they may be right, however you also don't NEED 40 mbps which is what bright house highest tier offers, If in one household all at one time you have 2 media players streaming video(3mbps x2), 2 laptops surfing 2mbps x2) , 2 tablets you tubing (1mbps x2), 1 phone streaming pandora etc and 1 voip line (756 kbps x2) . thats 8 devices/people using the net you could be under the 20 mbps mark easy. So really is this not a situation of the pot calling the kettle black?

Truth of the matter is, What we NEED is no Caps and competitive pricing ! I would like to download ( or upload to my cloud) a digital copy of the move I just "purchased" at 300mbps instead of 40, but do I need to? not really but it is nice to have and thats the point of it all. Truthfully I dont need 40 I can do just fine at 15-20 ( and so can a majority of people in 2012) but I doubt Bright house will tell you that.

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..

I would assume people are perfectly able to decide what they do and do not need. Our lives are full of things we don't need but choose to have. Most automobiles don't need to go over a certain speed to be able to haul XX tons but it's nice to have it on the occasion that we can use it.

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Somewhere...

Somewhere ispgeek is doing damage control...
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Blowing out of proportion

I don't recall seeing in Joe Durkin's comment that it will never be needed, he said that there isn't a market for it right now therefore they don't offer it. Its safe to say that docsis 3 with bonded up and downstream can do quite a bit more than the 40/5 that is offered now so to say their network cant do any more is kind of retarded.

You guys are arguing about the future of internet needs yet he mentioned nothing of the future other than that the network CAN handle more than whats currently offered (which we all know is true thanks to docsis 3)

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Re: Blowing out of proportion

said by tim tim tim:

I don't recall seeing in Joe Durkin's comment that it will never be needed, he said that there isn't a market for it right now therefore they don't offer it.

More accurately, I think there isn't a large market for it. But VZ proved there was interest, given they have real paying subscribers on their "old" 150/35 plan.

One other thing I'll point out is the "old" 150/35 plan was around $200. As of this week, 150/65 is around $95. IMO, you're going to see some pretty serious uptake of that plan over the next few months.
said by tim tim tim:

Its safe to say that docsis 3 with bonded up and downstream can do quite a bit more than the 40/5 that is offered now so to say their network cant do any more is kind of retarded.

Surely it can. But (defending only my own quote) even with DOCSIS 3, there is only so far cable can go with current technology. They can't subscribe their local plant to the level VZ can on fiber. Not saying AT ALL that Brighthouse is bad... merely saying there are technical limits to what can be done with HFC. By the time we get beyond DOCSIS 3, fiber will be that much further ahead.

Customer support with BHN (at least in the Tampa market) is superb-- something Verizon can't even come close to matching. That's a big selling point. But purely from a bits-on-the-wire standpoint, BHN will always be chasing fiber's tail.
said by tim tim tim:

You guys are arguing about the future of internet needs yet he mentioned nothing of the future other than that the network CAN handle more than whats currently offered (which we all know is true thanks to docsis 3)

Then as others have asked, why don't they at least OFFER something faster? Does it really cost THAT much to add another modem config option to the provisioning system, and another tier into the billing system? Even if only to save face when your competition's top tier is now 7.5 times faster than your top tier?

Don't think Verizon isn't going to milk that for every last drop of marketing advantage. Brighthouse HAS to fight back with something less lame than "we could compete, but we don't think anybody wants it".
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This is about bragging rights...

This is about "my Internet is faster then your Internet"! Right now I have Comcast 25/4 Internet, which is plenty fast for anything I need to do. Besides, the limiting factor in my experience is the other end of the connection, not my end.

If/When I need 300 mbps (and the attendant cost), I'll buy it. Until then I'm quite happy paying $34.95 a month for what I have.
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BHN - FiOS

I got the VOIP/TV/Inernet from Bright House and I do like their overall customer service quality even thought some of the freelance techs they send out are complete morons at times.

On the internet end we do have FiOS available, in fact my neighbor across the street has it. Definitely no comparison latency wise. Very fast; however he did have those famous "ghost fees" and billing issues after the install. The TV picture quality is definitely worse though.

I would be happy if Bright house at least upped their "normal" tier to 20/5. I do not NEED 300Mbps even thought I would like an option being there, but I would not mind symmetrical speeds around 50Mbps or so for the same cost as FiOS equivalent- this would keep me with them.

I really am debating on switching internet to Verizon, but I will probably lose BH VOIP phone if I do this though.

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Just like Verizon was..

I point to »Verizon Won't 'Slavishly Satisfy' You With 100 Mbps FiOS [85] comments

And then they latter turned around, as addressed in »Verizon Launches 150 Mbps FiOS

I have reason to believe Bright House will turn around and offer more speed, but I can't say how soon and for that matter what that will cost you...

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Re: Just like Verizon was..

wow, there such Liars ! LOL