Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state |
Oh great, another slush fund!For some politician. | |
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2013-Aug-15 2:09 pm
Re: Oh great, another slush fund!...and telecom | |
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Absolutely spot on. Not only will it be a slush fund for politicians and telecom's, we can be certain it will rise as they find even more "needy" groups to hook up. Funny thing is, I thought this was what the USF was all about. I guess it is being wasted on too much other stuff such that we need yet another tax to makeup for the waste. New York State has two 911 taxes because the first tax was raided long ago for just about everything but 911. The second 911 tax was needed to make up for the lost funds in the first fund. | |
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2013-Aug-21 7:43 pm
Re: Oh great, another slush fund!I thought Congress determined taxes. If a President can tax on whim, we are all going to be in a world of hurt. | |
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Why are we focusing on broadband when 12th grade graduates can't do long division? | |
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2013-Aug-15 9:22 pm
Re: Oh great, another slush fund!but but but, it's for the cheeeeeeeeeldrin. | |
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2013-Aug-18 2:13 am
Re: Oh great, another slush fund!said by skeechan:but but but, it's for the cheeeeeeeeeldrin. It's "chirrin" | |
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said by DataRiker:Why are we focusing on broadband when 12th grade graduates can't do long division? Or read. Or write. Or have the faintest idea how our government works. Or any of the other basic, essential things children used to be required to learn in school. Precisely why, regardless of the taxing mechanism, be it property, sales/use, whatever: I'm am strongly opposed to any new or additional funding for the public education system. It's broken and, IMO, cannot be fixed. Jim | |
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Math and reading are over rated! Because it makes them into informed Good Americans! They are absolutely perfect. The new voter completely dependent on TV for what to think and do. Now if only I could afford some extra TV advertising spending to dictate media policy the majority would hate you and love me.
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2013-Aug-18 10:49 am
Re: Oh great, another slush fund!said by whiteshp:Math and reading are over rated! Because it makes them into informed Good Americans! They are absolutely perfect. The new voter completely dependent on TV for what to think and do. Now if only I could afford some extra TV advertising spending to dictate media policy the majority would hate you and love me.
/end sarcasm 1984 is now and has been, the thought police. I know many school districts that have, and will be filling the kids heads full of biased crap, and false truths. History is not politically correct! You can't read that book, even if it is what was happening at the time. What is Politically Correct? Only what the powers to be want for controlling the public. Don't say anything about the government, you can be labeled an enemy combatant or security risk, like all the returning troops that fought for what they thought was their country, and were considered a possible HLS security risk in that nice report. Or is that Father Land Security or the new US Nazi party? Who will be put in those CDC camps built for the Department of HLS? All the public that disagree with the latest government agenda, and have been exposed to the latest bio weapon turned on the people that have not had the vaccine? Get your foil hats people! | |
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Personal/Consumer Taxes & Fees Federal income tax State income tax Local income tax Employee social security tax (your employer pays the other half) Employee Medicare tax (your employer pays the other half) Property taxes Road toll charges State sales tax Driver's license renewal fee TV Cable/Satellite fees & taxes Federal telephone surtax, excise tax, and universal surcharge State telephone excise tax and surcharge Telephone minimum usage and recurring/nonrecurring charges tax Gas/electric bill fees & taxes Water/sewer fees & taxes Cigarette tax Alcohol tax Federal gasoline tax State gasoline tax Local gasoline tax Federal inheritance tax State inheritance tax Gift tax Bridge toll charges Marriage license Hunting license Fishing license Bike license fee Dog permit/license State park permit Watercraft registration & licensing fees Sports stadium tax Bike/nature trail permit Court case filing fee Retirement account early withdrawal penalty Individual health insurance mandate tax Hotel stay tax Plastic surgery surcharge Soda/fatty-food tax Air transportation tax Electronic transmission of tax return fees Passport application/renewal fee Luxury & gas-guzzler car taxes New car surcharge License plate and car ownership transfer taxes Yacht and luxury boat taxes Jewelry taxes & surcharges State/local school tax Recreational vehicle tax Special assessments for road repairs or construction Gun ownership permit Kiddie tax (IRS form 8615) Fuel gross receipts tax Waste Management tax Oil and gas assessment tax Use taxes (on out-of-state purchase) IRA rollover tax/withdrawal penalties Tax on non-qualified health saving account distributions Individual and small business surtax (page 336 of Obamacare) Estimated income tax underpayment penalty Alternative Minimum Tax on income Business Taxes & Fees Federal corporate income tax State corporate income tax Tax registration fee for new businesses Employer social security tax Employer Medicare tax Federal unemployment tax State unemployment tax Business registration renewal tax Worker's compensation tax Tax on imported/exported goods Oil storage/inspection fees Employer health insurance mandate tax Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (page 2001/Sec. 9007 of Obamacare) Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Page 2010/Sec. 9008 of Obamacare) Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Page 2020/Sec. 9009 of Obamacare) Tax on Health Insurers (Page 2026/Sec. 9010 of Obamacare) Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans, i.e. "Cadillac" plans Tax on indoor tanning services Utility users tax Internet transaction fee (passed in California; being considered in other states and at federal level) Professional license fee (accountants, lawyers, barbers, dentists, plumbers, etc.) Franchise business tax Tourism and concession license fee Wiring inspection fees Household employment tax Biodiesel fuel tax FDIC tax (insurance premium on bank deposits) Electronic waste recycling fee Hazardous material disposal fee Food & beverage license fee Estimated income tax underpayment penalty Building/construction permit Zoning permit Fire inspection fee Well permit tax Sales and Use tax seller's permit Commercial driver's license fee Bank ATM transaction tax Occupation taxes and fees (annual charges required for a host of professions)
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ArrayList
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2013-Aug-15 12:26 pm
prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcit will be a long time before I go back to post paid. | |
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Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcprepaid does have taxes depending on the state you live in. In Ohio its regular sales tax but nothing else. | |
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Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcMight want to check that. You can get out of paying sales tax for prepaid on most of the larger carriers. just don't buy it in ohio | |
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2013-Aug-15 5:27 pm
Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcYou're still supposed to pay taxes on goods purchased in jurisdictions outside of your own | |
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Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcIf you physically go there, yes, that is true. But that is not true for digital goods.
with prepaid, you don't pay for the service you pay for a code to activate the service. | |
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2013-Aug-16 12:08 pm
Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcIt certainly is true for all jurisdictions that I've looked at. | |
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Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcI don't remember the last time I've paid sales tax online. | |
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Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcsaid by ArrayList:I don't remember the last time I've paid sales tax online. You're supposed too. Little box on your income return so you can pay the proper tax. Does anyone do that??? No doubt it. | |
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Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcI'm not responsible for collecting sales tax, I'm not a retailer. | |
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And that would matter because? Any time someone has an opportunity to get around paying a tax and actually takes advantage of it, I applaud them. No need to fuel the failure that is our government any more than necessary (and have your tax money wasted on the poor and lazy). | |
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openbox9
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2013-Aug-21 5:28 pm
Re: prepaid, no fees/taxes/etcThat's a different discussion. The point is that most jurisdictions legally require consumers to pay their taxes, regardless of where and how goods are purchased. Many don't, which is why there's such an uprising about online retailers collecting sales taxes. | |
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2013-Aug-15 12:26 pm
Not another USF slush fundLet's not repeat past mistakes of creating yet another USF slush fund for "the children" to have broadband. These programs have little accountability, they distort the market, it primarily benefits telco and cableco, and the tax will never go away.
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2013-Aug-15 12:27 pm
NoBefore the rest of you get carried away, let me be the first liberal to say, no new taxes. And damn sure not for something we are already being ostensibly taxed for.
I find it hard to believe the Obama administration would propose a new tax. That's just as dead as repealing Obamacare. | |
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2013-Aug-15 12:48 pm
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Not a liberal, but agree that another USF tax increase on cellphones is NOT needed. In fact the whole USF pgm is a totally messed up pgm that should be ended - NOW. | |
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Just what the hell are the property taxes for if not for schools?!? They keep jacking mine up and I don't even have any kids.. | |
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2013-Aug-16 2:45 pm
Re: NoSchool funding has been slashed in so many parts of the country that large numbers of schools have been closed and class sizes bloated just so that they can even try to keep an education system going.
With right leaning politicians pushing to instead have private schools receive subsidies based on the performance of cherry picked students in increase the school's overall GPA numbers. | |
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Re: Noif we learned anything over the past 50 years it is that more money does not equal better education. Many of the worst performing schools are also the most expensive per student. How many children are you prepared to sacrifice in schools that don't care? Parents should have a choice where they send their children and failing schools should close before they screw up more children. | |
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2013-Aug-19 1:14 am
Re: NoAre you referring to voucher schools and diploma mills? As those are the ones where the costs are high and the results are low.
If a school's funding is so bad that they are using 30 year old text books because there is no money in the budget for new ones those kids should at least be able to get to google to do their research. | |
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I'm strongly in favor of school vouchers.
If funding gets taken away from failing public schools and goes to private institutions that outperform them, then the end result is still a better overall system - as those without money close and those with money grow and spread their success further.
Perhaps the institution of such a system nationwide would cause schools to rethink how they spend their money, how they evaluate their teachers, and how they structure their curriculum in the hopes of producing better results. At a minimum, it would go a long way toward eliminating the dead weight in our public school systems. | |
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More free stuff for those that suck off the government teat. These are the people that voted for our current President. | |
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cableties
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2013-Aug-15 12:30 pm
Only if they refund myproperty-school taxes that ALREADY PAY for the excessive school technology needs. Like tracking kids macbooks, ipads for teachers, software, admin, and all the other school-related fiefdom needs.... | |
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Re: Only if they refund myYou forgot the multimillion dollar sports fields that are in vouge, bonus points for building them while laying off teachers and increasing class sizes.... | |
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Yeah, I've never understood the whole "give them all laptops" thing for anything other then the ill fated OLPC that was supposed to be a dirt cheap, hand crank rechargeable device to host public domain K-12 textbooks.
The only tech I've seen that would actually be useful in most classrooms is a digital whiteboard, many things are easier to absorb when you can see proper video representation of it and it makes it so the teacher doesn't have to waste time drawing up the same things on the board 8 times a day because there is only so much space on the board and thus parts of it have to be erased and redrawn every class of the day. | |
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2013-Aug-15 12:32 pm
government ineptitude is bad enough... ...but when private companies see who foots the bill, the bottom line always gets at least one extra zero added.
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DC DSL
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2013-Aug-15 12:36 pm
How about NO!?Make Verizon, AT&T, and countless other huge corporations PAY THEIR FRIGGIN TAXES and the gov won't have to keep coming up with more ways of taking money from consumers. I and my small business pay more in taxes than those megacorps. Either my business gets the same breaks and loopholes for tax-free living, or those clowns have to play by the same rules and pay up. | |
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2013-Aug-15 12:37 pm
School BroadbandMost of the schools in my state can already get 100 Mbps through ICN. But something tells me my state, who already invested in a state network for purposes like this would still have to pay this tax for other states who did nothing. How wonderful.
I do have to wonder just how this money will be used. $4 to $6 billion to roll out 100Mbps to schools? How many schools truly can't get 100Mbps right now if they desired it? As I have said before, I don't even know of any schools other than a couple private schools that don't already have fiber. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of those schools with fiber can get 100Mbps. Something tells me the few schools out there that don't have fiber or can't get 100Mbps won't cost $4 to $6 billion to get it. | |
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2013-Aug-16 3:16 pm
Re: School BroadbandThe vast majority. Most are still lucky to be getting a T1 line or a cable buisness line.
Network speeds are pathetic in most of the country, the friends I have in the local unis and tech schools often complain that the school's connection is as bad as dialup more often then not. | |
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List please of schools NOT on the internet ..This isn't 1995, I don't know of any schools not on the internet, and if there are, the parents of the kids going to those schools can pay for it, just as my property taxes pay for my local schools! | |
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2013-Aug-15 1:02 pm
No wayAs an politically independent voter, I feel this would be a terrible idea. School kids need textbooks and adequately paid and qualified teachers first, then maybe we could consider value-added extras like Internet access. But honestly, what would be the point for the Internet access? Is there a plan for what to do with it, in order to justify the expense, or is this just another window dressing buzz-word to help us feel good about "giving technology to schools"? Schools are buying ipads for the students and teachers, so they can tout how their school has all this technology, blah, blah... but once they get all the hardware, they have no plans, no teaching materials, nothing. So great, they get to say they have all this technology in the school, but how is it benefiting education? | |
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2013-Aug-15 1:10 pm
Political ramificationsSo we have a right wing majority in the US House of Reps, which is where this tax increase would need to get traction. This is the same House of Reps that has refused to pass a single White House budget since 2008, and has been running the US on continuing resolutions ever since. One would have to think the odds of floating a new tax at this time would be abysmal. | |
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2013-Aug-15 1:24 pm
Yeah like annual car regstration...... pays for road repairs... | |
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2013-Aug-15 1:38 pm
Re: Yeah like annual car regstration...It does pay for road repairs... The little brick roads that goes to somebodys bank account. | |
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that reminds me how connectitax's gas tax is being siphoned out into to be used on other BS. i'd be more open (from fully against to only an infinitesmal amount of support)to the cellphone tax if i was certain it'd be used only for school broadban, but because i'm not that naive, they can shove it you know where. | |
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2013-Aug-15 1:32 pm
More money for the government to wasteDidn't we throw tea in the harbor over taxes at one time. Getting out of control all the taxes charged on everything. What ever happened to the lottery money going to fund school broadband? Lets start cutting government spending instead to fund this project. Our pockets are already empty with all the taxes we pay we don't need another one. | |
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2013-Aug-15 1:38 pm
intelligentchoice, the public has shown they will pay almost anything for smartphone convenience. | |
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Carry Books, not Broadband!I remember going to school where we had to carry books to school. I think we should go back to that. Broadband isn't needed in school, whats needed is good curriculum and good teachers and support for teaching kids. | |
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2013-Aug-15 3:32 pm
Re: Carry Books, not Broadband!Back in my day, we didn't have books. We had to memorize passages after collecting firewood and walking uphill both ways in the snow. | |
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Books! Every Student needs an Ipad2!! | |
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StuartMW
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2013-Aug-15 2:11 pm
It's always...It's always
• for the children.
• to protect us from terrorists.
in this case the former. | |
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have thewill every school desk have a computer that's up to date I bet not the schools can't even afford to open on time. do to budget flow like how they tried to make u pay for your child to ride a school bus everyday that's next ( if the GAS prices keep going up) | |
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2013-Aug-15 2:35 pm
As long as this is only...for the big guys like AT&T and Verizon, and not the MVNO's I'm all for it! | |
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why don't the goverment tax uswhy don't the government tax the ones that get suspended from school something like that per day | |
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2013-Aug-15 2:42 pm
It's not that schools don't need more money......but this is a big disconnect between the source (cellphones) of the revenue, and the use (school IT technology/broadband).
beyond general fund taxation, there should always some sort of "cause and effect" linkage between taxes collected and tax money spent particularly on "special purpose" taxes.
just because wireless currently has "deep pockets" doesn't mean they can be over taxed to pay for everything else. This is similar to the idea (currently very popular) the "sin taxes" should cover more and more of the gap left by undertaxing the broader public to fill the general fund intended to cover more basic gov't services. | |
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