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ISP Think Tank: Charging For Broadband Privacy Helps The Poor!

Think tanks funded by large broadband providers continue to try and argue that broadband consumers should pay more for the privilege of protecting their own privacy. Last week we noted how Comcast is interested in following AT&T's lead and charging broadband consumers an additional surcharge to protect their privacy. Both ISPs are fighting the FCC's plan to offer new broadband privacy protections that would prohibit ISPs from charging users more to opt out of having their information collected and sold.

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In typical telecom sector fashion these ISPs have now turned to the think tanks they fund to try and promote what, by any metric, is an awful idea.

The Information Technology & Innovation Foundation" (ITIF) this week released a "study" that tried to claim that charging users more to protect their privacy will somehow lower broadband bills. Now another think tank creatively named the "Technology Policy Institute" is making an even more misleading argument in an editorial over at The Hill: charging a premium for privacy helps poor people.

"'Pay-for-privacy' plans disproportionately benefit lower-income individuals," claims the group, whose donors include AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Google and Verizon. "Indeed, the notion that offering an additional option would be detrimental to any consumers, whatever their income, is misguided."

Just so we have this right: adding a privacy surcharge on to what's already some of the most expensive broadband connections in the developed world...will help the poor? ISPs and think tanks are desperately trying to argue that what they're doing is simply offering a "discount" for users that opt in to data collection and sales.

But AT&T has already begun charging users such a surcharge. Not only is it extremely difficult to find and sign up for, it will add $528 to $792 more each year to your broadband bill if you want to opt out of AT&T's "Internet Preferences" deep packet inspection snoopvertising system. On what planet, exactly, can this be considered a "discount" that helps the poor?

"AT&T is giving the subscriber the opportunity to allow advertisers to pay part of the subscription fee," continues Thomas Lenard undetered by the limits of reason. "What would be the rationale for allowing Google to offer advertising-supported service but not AT&T?"

AT&T has a monopoly or duopoly over the last mile, leaving broadband customers without options to switch to if they despise AT&T (and/or Comcast's privacy policies). Google customers can, in contrast, use another search engine, web e-mail service or phone if they don't agree with how the company does business. The lack of competition in the broadband space makes telecom a notably different space, but ISPs (and the think tanks they hire) would prefer you ignore that.

Again, just so we're clear: ISPs and the think tanks they hire to pollute public discourse claim that charging you more money to protect your privacy will not only lower your broadband bill but help the poor buy groceries. Raise your hand if you actually believe that.

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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Tempe, AZ

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C0deZer0

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Can we get the pitchforks?

Shenanigans are a-brewin.

camper
just visiting this planet
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Bethel, CT

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camper

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At what point does this become extortion?

 
For this area, Comcast's website offers 25/5mbps for $70 per month.

Comcast has previously stated data cap fees are coming.

Now Comcast wants to add a "protect my privacy" charge on top of that ridiculously over-priced 25/5 service?

At what point does this become a shakedown extortion scheme?

Rogue Wolf
An Easy Draw of a Sad Few
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Troy, NY

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Rogue Wolf

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Listening to ISP think tanks helps the poor!

Because the amount of pure, unadulterated bullshit they spew could fertilize countless fields to grow food for the hungry.
ham3843
join:2015-01-15
USA

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ham3843

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Charging for privacy in ANY case is ludicrous!

These companies are so delusional it makes my head spin.

It's just a brazen money grab and NOTHING else.

Of course these same companies will spend an untold fortune in PR money to
convince the public and consumer otherwise, but all they are doing is further
enraging the customer.

What a bunch of unethical, greedy bastids.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ

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dvd536

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still dont know

after you pay if they don't sell your info. how do you really know?

ILpt4U
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ILpt4U

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OK...allow it...BUT

OK, sure, FCC, don't ban the practice...BUT tie it to Loop Unbundling/requiring Plant owners to lease the Access Network to Competitive ISPs

If there were competition over the Networks, this problem would solve itself...

You know what really benefits the "poor"/people with less money? Cheaper goods/services. What puts downward pressure on prices? Competition

Either NO upcharge for privacy, or if there is one, Plant Owner must allow Competitive Access to the Network

I hope the FCC just releases a one word Press Release Response: BULLSHIT
sd70mac
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sd70mac

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I was think about this yesterday...

I was think about this yesterday, and realized that the ISPs would only be helping to lower prices this way if they were charging BELOW cost, infrastructure and customer service-wise, to deliver internet access, and subsidizing it with ad revenue. This is clearly not the case, and moreover, would only be true if prices were significantly lower (under $30 a month?).
Slyster
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Slyster

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Coming up..

Corporate Shakedowns.

It will never end.

As I pointed out in another topic and someone point on in this topic... After paying this " Privacy Fee " ( Mob Protection Fee is more like it ) we still have no proof at all that our information is no changing hands. None. Unless you feel that these ISPs are trustworthy..................... Didnt think so. They are after the money. They will take ours and then turn around and sell to whoever wants the information.
mxyztplk
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mxyztplk

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Other Forthcoming ISP Think Tank Reports...

"How Duopolies Benefit Society"

"Going Without Internet Service or Homelessness: Which To Choose?"

"Rotten, Exhorbitant Internet Service Helps Prepare Your Children For The Cruelties Of Life."

"The Stockholm Effect Is Good For You!"

"The Federal Government: Do We Really Need It?"

Anon8daba
@mycingular.net

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Anon8daba

Anon

Meh

It ain't bad .. Compare to back in the 90's when you had to pay your pine company to keep your phone unlisted. Att would not like my internet habits .. 90% porn and 10% Netflix
mmay149q
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mmay149q

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Raises hand....

Slaps Randall Stephenson and Brian Roberts in the face with said raised hand.

cowboyro
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cowboyro

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The 2nd ammendment people need to do something about it...

Obviously go to vote and kick out of the office the politicians who allow it to happen.

Curley
join:2002-04-10
USA

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Curley

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Underaged children have no rights to privacy without paying?

It's crazy that companies are even allowed to automatically opt-you-in for tracking and marketing purposes. The laws should be automatically set to opt-out for marketing and selling your info, unless you agree and sign to opt-in. It just shows how much lawmakers favor businesses over individuals rights.

Prices are already sky high for basic internet connections due to ISP monopoly/duopoly that has been allowed to occur. The ISP and telecommunication companies already reap hundreds of millions of dollars from our government to have access to their networks in order to spy on us. Now they want to charge bribe us in order to keep our private information out of marketers hands too. The greed just never ends with these guys.

It should be illegal for them to track, collect, and sell our internet activity, especially if there are underaged children in the household, unless they get explicit written permission from the parents. How this is even allowed to happen without protections put in place for under aged children is mind-boggling to me.

KrK
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KrK

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When the Mafia charges for "Protection"...

... from them, it's called extortion, and is a federal crime. When ISP's charge you for protection from them, it's called "Good business practices."

Nope.

Make this practice illegal. Immediately.
bcltoys
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bcltoys

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Sooo you pay them now what.

Now that you/I have paid how can we be sure they are keeping their end of the deal. We can't, in my case I don't have anything to worry about don't have Comcrap or AT&T. But this will proly be a monkey see monkey do charge all ISP'S will try out.

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Anon84be4
@verizon.net

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Anon84be4

Anon

Here's an Arguement they could use

I like being a devil's advocate and putting words in politicians' mouths, so what they could say is that "in practice we do not put the client's privacy in jeopardy; all we are doing is offering our advertising partners an opportunity to make more targeted advertisement pitches to our consumers. In theory if people are paranoid about so called "spying" they could opt out for that reason, but the real reason we are offering the opt out is simply for those who do not feel comfortable with us using this additional degree of selling psychology to help our partners market to them. It's like, how if you don't feel comfortable sitting through a time share presentation and having the marketer pitch to you then you can opt to avoid that, but then you won't get the free ticket to Disneyland for a day because you decided to forego us that potential revenue opportunity. In practice these things don't effect you; you aren't giving up your security or being forced to buy something you don't want, but... if it makes you uncomfortable, that's ok too... for a price."
WhatNow
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WhatNow

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VPN

I know just enough about VPN to be dangerous so here is a question from an idiot on the subject. If you are willing to pay for VPN can ATT or Comcast see anything but your connection to the VPN and then a encrypted data stream?
grabacon9
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grabacon9

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Eats your bandwidth too!

Typical dumbness.

neill6705
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neill6705

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This reminds me...

Time to renew my PIA subscription.