gatorkramNeed for Speed Premium Member join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC |
gatorkram
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2007-Jul-27 12:24 pm
Kill the bird.....And bring on the blender?
I am still hanging in. News on their website (TB) says to expect voicemail and intnat. calling by today or Monday..
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koamPink Pecker Premium Member join:2000-08-16 East Puddle |
koam
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2007-Jul-27 1:05 pm
Let's get this straight.You prepaid SunRocket for service. SunRocket goes out of business and is going to stop service. Teleblend has aquired some assets of SR, but wants you to pay more to get the service that you already paid for and are not getting? | |
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2007-Jul-27 1:09 pm
Re: Let's get this straight.said by koam:You prepaid SunRocket for service. SunRocket goes out of business and is going to stop service. Teleblend has aquired some assets of SR, but wants you to pay more to get the service that you already paid for and are not getting? They picked a loser. Why should Teleblend pay for SR's customers mistake? If you don't like the Teleblend deal, you can go to Vonage. | |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium Member join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ |
batterup
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2007-Jul-27 1:27 pm
Sorry, so sorry.This is as sad as MCI/WorldCom going under. I have a land-line from Verizon do you think this could happen to me?
Why don't you all switch to Vonage, they should be around for another six months. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.Well, I can care less if vonage last six months. I will still be paying way less than you for more service.
I hate what happen to SR, but my break even point with SR was 5 months. It last me 12 so I got lucky. But, rest assure I wont prepaid for phn services again. Even with monthly vonage I'm saving $28 a month.
If they go out,,, I guess I will have to wait 3 - days for ATT Call Vantage or VoiceWing to port my #. I can live with that.. | |
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said by batterup:I have a land-line from Verizon do you think this could happen to me? Yep, just like any other business... Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 2:17 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... Verizon is a real company not a bunch of leeches like » www.savewithusa.com/ and is doing just fine. VoIP from USA Telephone is over $30 a month at my location and has a smaller local calling area then Verizon. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:said by bmn:Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... Verizon is a real company not a bunch of leeches like » www.savewithusa.com/ and is doing just fine. A leech doesn't pay for what they get... Last I checked, CLECS pay for the capacity they use, ergo, the leech terms fails. Try again ? | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 2:38 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:said by batterup:said by bmn:Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... Verizon is a real company not a bunch of leeches like » www.savewithusa.com/ and is doing just fine. A leech doesn't pay for what they get... Last I checked, CLECS pay for the capacity they use, ergo, the leech terms fails. Try again ? TPC can't refuse them and they pay less then market value. That is a leech. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:TPC can't refuse them and they pay less then market value. That is a leech. That's funny, but your selective grasp on facts is blinding you again... The Bells AGREED to let them on the network. And the rate that they are paying, wholesale, is basically the same as it costs the Bells to operate the line themselves. Market value is once you add on your margins because there is no WAY it actually costs $20+ to deliver standard POTS. Want to try again ? | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.and if I may add, they are PAYING MARKET VALUE at a WHOLESALE LEVEL. You could try to negotiate the same rate with Verizon, but you will probably have to buy 100k worth of phn service to get it... | |
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said by bmn: That's funny, but your selective grasp on facts is blinding you again... The Bells AGREED to let them on the network. That is true, TPC got to supply long distance for opening up the network. Now TPC is placing FiOS and CLECs are excluded. Bad management indeed. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.That is only to share the actual last mile. If they change to VoIP then VZ has no control the Fiber ruling only affects the last mile not using the actual Internet or wholesaling DIDs. | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 3:11 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by hottboiinnc4:That is only to share the actual last mile. If they change to VoIP then VZ has no control the Fiber ruling only affects the last mile not using the actual Internet or wholesaling DIDs. VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.Not all VoIP companies used the patents. 8x8 didn't they actually own theirs. And VZ only has the balls to go after the little companies.
And you can't steal anything that is open source. | |
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what vz patents? the ones they filed based on OPEN INDUSTRY Forums, and a useless PTO employee granted. With information that was made available to everyone and with the contribution of many other individuals and companies.
NOW WHO IS THE LEACH???????? | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 3:24 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by chemaupr:what vz patents? the ones they filed based on OPEN INDUSTRY Forums, and a useless PTO employee granted. With information that was made available to everyone and with the contribution of many other individuals and companies. NOW WHO IS THE LEACH???????? quote: Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents.
VoIP is a thief not a leech. » www.multichannel.com/art ··· 334.html | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry."Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents."
You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 5:15 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by chemaupr:"Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. Where does you deep knowledge of the case come from? | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:said by chemaupr:"Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. Where does you deep knowledge of the case come from? I'm always happy to help other to learn. You can start at Lexis.com for the patent information you can go to » www.uspto.gov/main/profi ··· dres.htm if you need any help let me know. | |
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said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 5:07 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:said by bmn:said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 6:32 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:said by bmn:I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so. | |
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2007-Jul-27 7:15 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:said by batterup:said by bmn:I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so. You said quote:
said by bmn:said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work.
Thank you for admitting you get your facts from quote: forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.Yes, the prior art was created in newsgroups long ago, long before the name Verizon was even uttered... So, yes, that's where you get the facts.
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 8:13 pm
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:Yes, the prior art was created in newsgroups long ago, long before the name Verizon was even uttered... So, yes, that's where you get the facts. Want to try again ? But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. Or it was suppressed or excluded or any NUMBER of other legals tricks that can be pulled out of a hat. As well, "a jury of your pears (sic)" is perhaps the LAST group of people you should rely on. Most people who sit on juries don't have the proper training or even enough education to understand technical things like VoIP, SIP, LDAP, etc... Just imagine the damage that can be done at murder trials when DNA, fingerprints, etc. come up. Here are some links just for you re: prior art: » blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telep ··· /?p=1550» pulverblog.pulver.com/ar ··· 846.html» blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telep ··· /?p=1548 (this one may even rely on prior art) You dig some more on your own... | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-28 12:28 am
Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by bmn:said by batterup:But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. Or it was suppressed or excluded or any NUMBER of other legals tricks that can be pulled out of a hat. As well, "a jury of your pears (sic)" is perhaps the LAST group of people you should rely on. Most people who sit on juries don't have the proper training or even enough education to understand technical things like VoIP, SIP, LDAP, etc... Just imagine the damage that can be done at murder trials when DNA, fingerprints, etc. come up. Here are some links just for you re: prior art: » blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telep ··· /?p=1550» pulverblog.pulver.com/ar ··· 846.html» blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telep ··· /?p=1548 (this one may even rely on prior art) You dig some more on your own... OK you convinced me. We can save allot of money and have you and your blogs decide all legal matters. | |
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.said by batterup:OK you convinced me. We can save allot of money and have you and your blogs decide all legal matters. At least some of us try to research the issues and have the technical expertise to understand what the lawsuit is about... Simply echoing the Verizon party line with apparently zero knowledge and zero understanding of the issue, as you have done in this thread, requires no rational or independent thought. It is amazing the affect the Bellhead ideology can have on independent and rational thought... | |
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said by bmn:said by batterup:I have a land-line from Verizon do you think this could happen to me? Yep, just like any other business... Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... If Verizon is the Incumbent, then they have 'provider of last resort' requirements. If an incumbent were to go under, then they would go into 'receivership', and continue operations under court supervision. So, loosing pots from an incumbent due to bankruptcy would be very difficult. | |
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Teleblend's network better than Sunrockets??????I can definitely tell that we're still running on SR's stuff because last night when my wife called Nor Cal, the call had pops/clicks on it. (Handled by Pac West & Pac West = "teh suck"!!!!)
So, I'm wondering if, when the switch flips over to Teleblend for real, will their network be any better in terms of call quality???
Well they necessarily use their *own* stuff or are they gonna acquire all of SR's existing stuff & everything theoretically be the same to everyone as it currently is?? | |
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SunRocket PortingOK here is the trouble with the Sunrocket going out of business the way the did. I decided to port my Sunrocket number to Sprint and to my surprise they are having trouble getting my number from Sunrocket since they need to follow FCC regulations and can't just take the number like Packet 8 and Unified did to which leads me to believe that there are some backdoor politics taking place. I'm assuming that when Sunrocket is finally dead on August 5 that Sprint will be able to take that number at that time. | |
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batterup
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2007-Jul-27 5:19 pm
Re: SunRocket Portingsaid by baitfish666:OK here is the trouble with the Sunrocket going out of business the way the did. I decided to port my Sunrocket number to Sprint and to my surprise they are having trouble getting my number from Sunrocket since they need to follow FCC regulations and can't just take the number like Packet 8 and Unified did to which leads me to believe that there are some backdoor politics taking place. I'm assuming that when Sunrocket is finally dead on August 5 that Sprint will be able to take that number at that time. If you account is dead so will be your right to the number. I would switch to one of SunRocket's preferred VoIP providers then switch to Sprint. | |
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BHNtechXpertThe One & Only Premium Member join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL |
Deadline to port from SunRocket past for most...The sad part about this is that most people will not be able to port their numbers from SunRocket due to time constraints. The deadline appears to be Aug 5th and for many providers that is just not enough time. I hope people seriously look at this and consider some legislation to prevent people from being victims at this level.
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