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nfotiu
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2015-Jun-9 8:55 am
mobile hotspot cap a violation of neutrality? the rules don't specifically ban the usage of data caps, and most carriers have been informed their present plans shouldn't violate the rules. T-Mobile has yet to confirm the plans but should have more detail later in the week. Is having unlimited data, but having some uses of that data (mobile hotspot) a violation of net neutrality since it discriminates against how the the customer uses the data. Not sure why adding 2 gb to the cap would satisfy that concern. A sacrificial lamb to the net neutrality gods maybe? Or it could be that throttling all data after the cap is reached, instead of a hard cap on the mobile hotspot only brings them in line with net neutrality since it sort of treats all usage the same. | |
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 |  MajestikWorld Traveler
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Majestik
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2015-Jun-9 9:56 am
Re: mobile hotspot cap a violation of neutrality?I canceled my $70/mo. Cox HSI a year ago because of the price increases and now use my Tmobile iphone 6 plus hotspot as my home internet and it has worked out great.
An additional 2gig per month is good but I really prefer the throttle better than the cut off.
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| rradina
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Throttling all data when the hotspot usage is exceeded lessens the value of having a truly unlimited (no caps, no reduction of speed) mobile plan. | |
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Majestik
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2015-Jun-9 2:16 pm
Re: mobile hotspot cap a violation of neutrality?Hotspot may be throttled but I still do my more important things at home like surf,pay bills,check email,trade stocks,etc..
If I wanted to watch movies or stream I will use my AT&T grandpa unlimited 4g LTE ipad or neighbors ultimate if needed.
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Since usage from the primary device is not limited and throttled, it means not all traffic is treated the same. I.e. traffic from secondary devices is discriminated, which is a violation of net neutrality. | |
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Someone ought to sue them...Forcing someone to look at tiny text and maneuver the internet on a handset should result in a few lawsuits for vision problems and carpal tunnel; PLUS, they have no right to tell us how to use bandwidth, period. | |
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Re: Someone ought to sue them...You can use a mobile device with Miracast and MHL. Most Android devices accept Bluetooth keyboards and mice. | |
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RandomName69 to CyberGuy
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2015-Jun-9 3:42 pm
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said by CyberGuy:Forcing someone to look at tiny text and maneuver the internet on a handset should result in a few lawsuits for vision problems and carpal tunnel; PLUS, they have no right to tell us how to use bandwidth, period.
You can be 100% sure that if T-Mobile also has to provide unlimited hotspot then they would get rid of unlimited data altogether. Is that what T-Mobile customers really want? | |
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unlimitedIf you have unlimited data and root your phone you can bypass their tethering policy completely and get unlimited tethering. Not saying I do it, just saying it's very easy to do that even a caveman can do it. | |
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Re: unlimitedWhen I had a Nexus 5 on TMO, I blew through their tethering caps and never heard a peep about it. Unfortunately, that's not the case with my Z3.  | |
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Why root the phone since it works anyway? Not sure how this effects my $30/mo unlimited 5Gb plan though. | |
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Re: unlimitedI have the same plan as you and tether off my phone routinely.
I've yet to hit the 5 GB cap on the plan, but I've gone well over the silly 100 MB hotspot cap.
You'll need to vpn somewhere for it to work, unfortunately. I've yet to come across someone who can do without that. | |
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CapsCompanies would make a killing if they charged Unlimited Tethering for one flat price. People say that you use more data on the computer. I doubt it. You see how much data you eat on your phone? Netflix, Youtube, Spotify, HBO Now, etc. Come on people. | |
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Re: CapsUhm , yeah they do use more on a computer. I average around 1 TB a month on my home network. Just take netflix as one example, it runs at maybe 1 mbps on the phone, on my roku it runs at 6 mbps and I watch a low more content on my tv.
Carrier's simply don't have the spectrum to support unlimited tethering, and no amount of extra towers or backhaul will fix that situation. it's really that simple. Home internet connections use much more bandwidth than a wireless carrrier can provide per user. in my case over 100 times more than I use on mobile which averages around 10 GB a month. | |
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Re: CapsWell, they need to stop promoting wireless as a home internet. Mobile Hotspots are worthless if you are a home user. | |
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silbaco
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2015-Jun-9 7:27 pm
Re: CapsMobile hotspots are what they are. If they don't suit your needs then you shouldn't get one. | |
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said by MovieLover76:Carrier's simply don't have the spectrum to support unlimited tethering, and no amount of extra towers or backhaul will fix that situation. it's really that simple. Home internet connections use much more bandwidth than a wireless carrrier can provide per user. in my case over 100 times more than I use on mobile which averages around 10 GB a month.
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RandomName69 to grabacon9
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2015-Jun-9 1:25 pm
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said by grabacon9:Companies would make a killing if they charged Unlimited Tethering for one flat price. People say that you use more data on the computer. I doubt it. You see how much data you eat on your phone? Netflix, Youtube, Spotify, HBO Now, etc. Come on people.
Who spends hours and hours watching Netflix on their phone? You do use more from your PC. And if people used tethering as their main internet connection they would greatly increase the amount of data used. It would also slow the network down to a crawl. NO carrier can handle even a small percentage of their customers tethering hundreds of GB per month. | |
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Re: CapsWireless carriers need to stop promoting 4g tethering then. What's the point having those speeds if you can't use it? What if you don't have wifi? You screwed then? | |
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said by grabacon9:Companies would make a killing if they charged Unlimited Tethering for one flat price. People say that you use more data on the computer. I doubt it.
I definitely have to agree with Movielover and this is just from my leisure laptop not including my work laptop, work computer, wife's laptop, & 3 streaming media players. our phones on T-mobile come in last place for amount of data we use, and even they use a few GB per month. | |
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Re: CapsWhat if you don't have wifi? You screwed then? | |
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2015-Jun-9 7:23 pm
Re: CapsThen maybe you should buy a home internet connection? | |
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Re: CapsYa. An extremely crappy one. | |
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Service is unlimited or it isn't - that's pretty freaking simple.said by silbaco:maybe you should buy a home internet connection? I'm so tired of hearing crap like this, as I sit here stuck with a $70/mo, 1mb/s Windstream DSL connection that has 400-1,000ms pings and 10% packet loss (to the first hop!) nights, weekends, school holidays, rainy days, snowy days, dry days, sunny days, etc. You assume that everyone without quality Internet service is without because they are making poor shopping decisions, but that's not the way it is. And as more providers ditch land-line services, there will be more users looking at wireless options unless government steps in and remedies the situation. A very young child would describe cellular services and Internet services as utilities. It's just common sense. And it has long been established that, for example, people have the right to use whatever handset they want and/or wire their homes however they want. Wireless providers need to be forced to yield to the same terms - you should be able to use any phone and any software you want on their networks, which would preclude providers' abilities to install spyware apps that monitor whether you're downloading natively or with a tether. One of the requirements for using OUR frequency spectrum should be adherence to a standardized format (there's really no excuse for each carrier requiring different hardware). | |
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Dated?Is there any benefit of using T-Mo's tethering app versus generic tethering in other phones? It seems like T-Mo is only throttling their own phones. | |
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Re: Dated?Many unlocked phones don't operate in the same way that T-mobile branded phones do, they use a different APN for tethering so they can easily identify the traffic.
A lot of unlocked devices don't do that, so the data is never countered.
though some do, the nexus 5 for instance reported tethering data.
they also have some browser identification tactics to tell if your illegally tethering
so sometimes they can find out anyway.
Tethering is tethering it acts the same whether it's being reported as tethered data or not. So how you tether won't affect performance.
My advice as someone who doesn't think smartphone customers should be abusing tethering, if you have a phone that doesn't report tethering data like t-mobile phones just use it responsibly. Don't contribute to the eventual death of unlimited data and try to replace your home internet or other nonsense. | |
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Re: Dated?"Abusing tethering"?
If you are paying for the data, how you use it does not matter. So using any method to discriminate in how data is used would and should be against the NN rules. | |
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Re: Dated?+1 totally agree | |
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RandomName69 to Skippy25
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2015-Jun-9 1:30 pm
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said by Skippy25:"Abusing tethering"?
If you are paying for the data, how you use it does not matter. So using any method to discriminate in how data is used would and should be against the NN rules.
And if ruled as such you can kiss your unlimited data goodbye. No way T-Mobile is offering unlimited data on your phone if they also have to offer unlimited tethering. They are still trying to shed the image of having a terrible network. Offering unlimited tethering would bring that reputation right back because the network would be slower than molasses in January. Why are you guy complaining about this NOW? Tethering has ALWAYS had a cap. it was 5 GB then cut off completely. Now it's 7 GB and throttled. Isn't that BETTER? | |
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Yes, "abusing tethering"
Your paying for unlimited smartphone data, the emphasis on smartphone, not every device in your home network.
Read your TOS, it's in there.
Wireless networks aren't a replacement for home internet, they just don't have the capacity to do that.
It matters because of the amount of data consumed.
Unlimited smartphone data is designed for smartphone use because smartphones while they can use a lot of data, aren't in the same realm as a home network.
Companies like T-mobile and Sprint try to keep unlimited smartphone data alive because people like it, but people trying to use it as their home internet connection place too high of a strain on the network.
It's not a case of upgrades to towers or backhaul, their simply isn't enough spectrum for wireless to replace your home broadband connection and no amount of quoting NN to defend their abuse will change that.
Eventually T-mobile and Sprint will discontinue unlimited do mostly to people abusing the network and it makes me angry.
It's not a question of if but when, I just hope they give us a good sized bucket to replace our unlimited.
20 to 30 GB at least. | |
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Majestik
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2015-Jun-9 2:27 pm
Re: Dated?Heck I told Tmobile I was planning to use my hotspot for my total home internet before I signed up.
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Re: Dated?and if your hotspot usage falls within the 5gb or whatever they allow on your plan your good to go. If your only using it for email and light surfing 5gb might be enough for some very light users.
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Re: Dated?said by MovieLover76:and if your hotspot usage falls within the 5gb or whatever they allow on your plan your good to go. If your only using it for email and light surfing 5gb might be enough for some very light users.
Otherwise, tethering abuse.
What seems to be your problem, if he and Tmo aren't bothered then why are you? | |
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So in all your wisdom you are saying tethering is only for smartphones. That is what they designed it for and that is all it should be used for? If you are going to answer yes to that, please point me to any reference that supports your claim.
IF they are going to market unlimited, then they better be able to support unlimited - whatever that means. If it is unlimited that has throttling at some point then that is not unlimited. That is XGB cap with throttling. So they either do unlimited and leave the connection alone regardless of how much the person uses or they do a cap with throttling and market it as such.
If their network can't handle them selling and supporting that, as you pointed out it can't, then they should not be selling it or should limit the sales to what they can support. Would you not agree? If I am a bus owner and can support 100 passengers, I certainly should not be selling 125 seats because I can't handle the capacity now should I? So I either have to get a bigger bus with more capacity or be satisfied with the 100 I can carry and the profits that brings. If my prices are causing too many to want to ride on my bus, then I should raise the price to lessen demand or invest in buses. | |
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I don't have a problem with people using it to replace their home broadband connection if there's nothing else available (and no, satellite doesn't count)
But people who burn up mobile usage "just because", when they have DSL/Cable/Fios available at home -- that just bugs me. | |
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I don't think Tmobile or Sprint will give up unlimited they will just restructure what unlimited means in all there plans as in throttled beyond X amount of data usage. Sprint has already said that unlimited will go the way of the dodo on there network but rest assured there just going to change it to throttled or they would loose too much business to Tmobile. Tmobile is already playing around with 4G plans that only max out at X amount of speed ( around 8 mbps) instead of the full speed thats available. That will be there next round of restructuring.. Example.. unlimited talk and txt with....
Unlimited 4G/ LTE at full speed with a 10GB threshold before throttle of 256k for $50 per mth.
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Unlimited 4G/LTE with a max speed speed of 8-10 mpbs with a 5GB threshhold then throttled to 128K for $40 per mth.
Its all in how you word it and as long as the internet is still flowing they can call it Unlimited, Now this is all speculation but this seem to be the way Tmobile and Sprint are going in the near future. Walmarts family mobile on Tmobiles network already limits there unlimited data plans similar to this. | |
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Installing a custom ROM allows the apn to be changed. Works especially nicely on samsung devices.
Then what you do is use vpn or https, to bypass the browser check, their last security option. you can use all other protocols unlimited but not http if the browser inserts a 'pc' style user agent. But all that will do is, cause the http traffic to count toward the 7GB. | |
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2015-Jun-9 3:42 pm
This cap is not newIt seem most of the posters here are acting as if this is new thing. The only new parts are the 2 GB increase and the throttling instead of straight up cutting off data completely. | |
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Music Freedom more a concern for Net NeutralityI would think that T-Mobile's Music Freedom Service (wherein certain, but not all, music streaming providers don't count against bandwidth usage) is more a violation of Net Neutrality than this is. | |
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2015-Jun-11 8:34 am
Whatever happened to unlimited nights & weekends?Prioritize on-peak hours and make off-peak hours unlimited.
Could this work? | |
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