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Time Warner Cable Upgrades To Be 'Surgical'
Want DOCSIS 3.0? Better live in a FiOS market....
Time Warner Cable's Chief Operating Officer Landel Hobbs today reiterated that when the company does finally deploy DOCSIS 3.0, those deployments will be "surgical." In other words, Time Warner Cable isn't seeing much competitive pressure from the telcos in many of their markets, where Powerboost technology allows them to offer significantly faster speeds than vanilla DSL. From Marketwatch:
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Chief Operating Officer Landel Hobbs on Tuesday said the company will roll out DOCSIS 3.0, a technology that enables broadband speeds of up to 160 megabits per second, in a "surgical" way across the country, "using it where we need it," rather than a broad launch. One reason, Hobbs said, is that the company already competes "very effectively" with phone companies who offer DSL broadband service in most of its markets.
That's not particularly new, given Time Warner Cable has long offered faster speeds only in markets they deem competitive. But what about FiOS? Hobbs has previously stated that NYC will be the first TWC market to see DOCSIS 3.0, but hasn't stated when. Until then, Hobbs says they'll counter FiOS by locking customers into "price for life" triple play bundle promotions (on top of pretending they offer last mile fiber and picking on the FiOS name). When they do upgrade FiOS markets, it's likely they'll leave those 5-40GB caps at home.
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Duramax08
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LOL WUT

whats the use of having faster internet? I think a few mb's up and down should be good for everyone. Just watch, In a few months, they are going to say their network is overloaded and then they are gona place caps.

And for me, All i get is dial up and time warner are going to make it faster where people already have high speed internet. why not extend to people who dont have no high speed internet? Im not in the middle of nowhere you know...

Boogeyman
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Re: LOL WUT

What do you mean San Antone isnt in the middle of no where? I mean, its not like you guys have a few major theme parks, a major sports franchise, a major military base(?), Sea World, The Alamo, etc.

Oh, wait...

Seriously though, I just moved to Huntsville, AL, supposedly one of the largest concentrations of engineers and high tech business/manufacturing in the country, and the best I can get out of CC is 8/1. I would think with all the high tech jobs here we'd be getting some of CC's better plans, but then again, at least its 8/1. (And yes, 8/1 is enough for my household, its just that if there were higher tiers, I'd probably pay less for my 8/1)

jester121
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Re: LOL WUT

said by Boogeyman:

(And yes, 8/1 is enough for my household, its just that if there were higher tiers, I'd probably pay less for my 8/1)
Why on earth would you think that? It certainly doesn't sound like a Comcast strategy to me.

Boogeyman
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Re: LOL WUT

When 3/256 was the highest, it was $60 mo, and 1.5/256 was like $50 or so. Then when they went to 6/768 as the highest, they priced it at $60 and moved the 3/256 down to the $50. (Prices are a guess, I cant remember what the exact cost was 5yrs ago)

Though you do have a point, when we signed up for service after we moved, the 8/1 is ~$70mo where as the 6/768 is ~$60mo, and when I lived in Panama City, the 6/768 was ~$60mo. I was just hoping they would continue the previous trend of replacing the previous highest speed with the new highest speed at the same price point.

jester121
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Re: LOL WUT

You're talking about a moving target though. Comcast's middle of the road offering (the one they advertise on TV, print, etc.) has been in the $40-45 range for as long as I can remember around here, and I've seen similar price points in many other US markets.

Duramax08
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Where i live, everything is around us. The AT&T center is less then 5 miles away from my house, Alot of neighborhoods and all the stores like walmart, gamestop, subway, jack in the b0x, gas stations, and m0ar are like 3 miles away. We got some land with cattle and their is an officer there, Its like 2 miles away and they get time warner cable but what do we get, Power and plain old telephone. I talked to that att guy today and he said he dont know when dsl will be out here. I guess ill just have to wait and look outside every morning and look for some new lines on the telephone pole out on the road........

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said by Duramax08:

whats the use of having faster internet? I think a few mb's up and down should be good for everyone.
So is 640KB

fonzbear2000
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said by Duramax08:

whats the use of having faster internet? I think a few mb's up and down should be good for everyone. Just watch, In a few months, they are going to say their network is overloaded and then they are gona place caps.

And for me, All i get is dial up and time warner are going to make it faster where people already have high speed internet. why not extend to people who dont have no high speed internet? Im not in the middle of nowhere you know...
They already have caps.
axus
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perfectly explains why we need more competition

Want to increase broadband speeds? Make sure there is more competition there.

Someone has to make the first move, though. If Verizon hadn't done FIOS, Time Warner could take their sweet time everywhere, and not spend the money on upgrades. The more companies competing, the more likely it is that someone will move first.

VZ FiOS
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Shame on cherry picking

Just goes to show you how much of a competition FiOS is creating with the cable co's. It's unfortunate that companies can cherry pick which markets they want to deloy their new services and Verizon is no exception with cherry picking FiOS rollouts.

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Re: Shame on cherry picking

i would cherry pick too. why should i spend million and billions of dollars for a service one where if i dont make enough money to pay for it and make some money

en102
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Re: Shame on cherry picking

I tend to agree... they have to make a profit.
Why deploy in an unprofitable area ?
YayOtters
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Re: Shame on cherry picking

Because we paid a massive amount of money in taxes to fund their network upgrades, which they never carried through with.

Was around $200b as I remember reading.

Dogfather
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Gotta love TWC

They're desperate when their selling point against FiOS is that they have an easier to understand bill.

Keep capping, dumbasses.

halo5
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HAH

LOL! So you can hit their 5gig cap in 3 hours instead of 6!

hopeflicker
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Re: HAH

said by halo5:

LOL! So you can hit their 5gig cap in 3 hours instead of 6!
I just came over from the FIOS forum and some users are claiming that they are gobbling up multiple terabytes of bandwidth up and down.
LOL

wifi4milez
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Re: HAH

said by hopeflicker:
said by halo5:

LOL! So you can hit their 5gig cap in 3 hours instead of 6!
I just came over from the FIOS forum and some users are claiming that they are gobbling up multiple terabytes of bandwidth up and down.
LOL
You may laugh now, but those are the very people who are going to ruin FIOS for us like they did cable. If that keeps up, caps will be imposed without a doubt.

JTRockville
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Re: HAH

I don't think a pure fiber network like FiOS suffers from the same congestion problems inherent to a hybrid network like cable has.

Either way, those of us with the good fortune to have FiOS may as well enjoy it while we can.
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Re: HAH

The same, no as cable is node based. But congestion on a network, yes it can happen regardless of transport.

No matter how they are doing it, if they see people abusing it, especially of all you "online backeruppers, Linux Distro distributers, and daily machine rebuild guys that have to download patches all the time", they will eventually do something as it still cost them.

So yes, you guys that will take all you can as long as you can enjoy your gluttony now.

JTRockville
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Re: HAH

Sure, congestion can happen on any network. Even with seriously heavy use, I think it would be really hard (maybe even impossible) for a single subscriber to severly disrupt service for other subscribers on a pure fiber network like what happens on a hybrid cable network.

Keep in mind, cost isn't the reason Comcast has given over the years for implementing the cap. Then again, how much is a liar's word worth?

* still puzzled about why heavy users are call abusers *

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The local FiOS network may not, but the interconnect to the internet certainly will in short order and will be the EXACT reason to throw in caps.

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dub

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power boost sucks asshole

it does not even work..

ping time 45% higher also

from 87ms to 150ms

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en102
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Re: power boost sucks asshole

Are you in an AT&T area (like Santa Clarita is?)


Anonymous_
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Re: power boost sucks asshole

said by en102:

Are you in an AT&T area (like Santa Clarita is?)


yea

ADSL & VDSL in the area east side

VZ FIOS in the west side

CMTS is located in palmdale

that CMTS serves both sides of palmdale that is a +!

en102
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Re: power boost sucks asshole

I have no idea of where the CMTS is in Santa Clarita, however, ALL of Santa Clarita is AT&T with Uverse VRADs everywhere. San Fernando Valley is a little mixed... VZ in North Hills, AT&T in Northridge.

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Re: power boost sucks asshole

your CMTS is in

Thousand Oaks (guesstament)

en102
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Re: power boost sucks asshole

Palmdale is much closer than T.O.... as is the San Fernando Valley. I think that area was former Adelphia anyways.

Anonymous_
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Re: power boost sucks asshole

do a tracert to my ip i sent it in a PM
aparis99
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why havent you switched ISP's? -- u NEVER answer that question

Anonymous_
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Re: power boost sucks asshole

said by aparis99:

why havent you switched ISP's? -- u NEVER answer that question
at&t is spyware
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LOL!!! well if you arent going to switch then stop being anal about every little packet, trace route, etc. It really doesnt get you anywhere and none of us here can reconfigure the ISP's backbones across the country so you have a better ping! its not gonna happen

I HATE paying for gas, but i HAVE TO so i dont really complain about it! I HATE alot of the things the government does but its not going to change so i dont say alot there either

Midg
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A-hole

This asshole CEO just shows you what an unbelievably shitty company Time Warner is. What a tool!

Just Visiting

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Not for Nothing


Who said Verizon is putting FIOS all over the place ???

They "dumped" 3 states so they would not have to upgrade the Outside Plant...........

Go take your Cisco Pill....
BHNtechXpert
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Seriously Karl

but hasn't stated when. Until then, Hobbs says they'll counter FiOS by locking customers into "price for life" triple play bundle promotions
(on top of pretending they offer last mile fiber and picking on the FiOS name).
Seriously Karl...once again you have injected your pro FIOS/Telco opinion. Kindly stick to the facts and report the story and nothing but the story. Ordinarily I don't like to respond to such things but recently you have gone way beyond what even I can tolerate. Both sides have valid advantages and disadvantages, each to be decided by their respective customers. Your increasingly obvious sniping is not only very unprofesssional but in this case just isn't true.

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twsux
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speed up

haha hilarious. even little player rcn in nyc has faster cable modem than time warner. i get 20mpbs rather than over subscribed road runner on a saturated node. all my friends have time warner cable and hate it. we're all just waiting for fios.
patcat88
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lawsuit time

This is criteria for a judge to invalidate the franchise/public utility permission/ROW access of TWC since this obviously isn't for the "public benefit".

dvd536
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O RLY?

big surprise. the haves get the sweet deals that the havenots subsidize.
tjp375
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No surprise TWC is cheap

Let competition run its route. The only way U.S. internet speeds will ever be up to global standards is if ISPs continue to increase available in-home bandwidth. As far as TWC upgrades are concerned "Surgical" couldn't describe their tactics any better. Currently in Ohio, I have sat back the last couple years and watch TWC bandwidth increase everywhere but here, because plain and simple there is no other competition in the state. Although Ohio currently has TWCs powerboost giving me speedtest results of roughly: 30mbps/768k, I think we're the only state left that does not have a 1mbps upload speed. From what I have heard TWC does not support file sharing, but at the same time, keeps their upload speeds lower than other ISPs. This is to ensure them that their customers are not the ones sourcing files to be shared, therefore not making them legally liable. So I am fine with their download as much as you want, just don't source attitude, but if they ever release DOCIS 3.0 you can bet there will definitely be bandwidth caps. By the way I like to thank Comcast for starting what will soon be a downward spiral effect on internet users nation wide.

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Makes sense...

A nationwide, simultaneous, DOCSIS 3 upgrade would be insanely expensive. So you gotta start somewhere -- why not start where there is the most competition? It's hard to figure how they should enact a bad business strategy that would potentially hurt their ability to compete. It's kind of unreasonable to say, no you can't upgrade in a place where you can maximize your profits, or maintain them, instead you should start somewhere that won't effect your bottom line at all. If TWC was losing a lot of subs in these highly competitive areas they would be less money in the budget to do more DOCSIS 3.0 upgrades in other areas.

Just Visiting
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Anon

Hello.....................


Yes, and Verizon is putting FIOS into 100% of their remaining foorprint...............

(Hold your breath), take your Cisco pill
smallblock
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Re: Hello.....................

just visiting

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Re: Hello.....................

This whole article is biased...........

What I mean is that not only is Verizon cherry picking areas they deploy to, they sold off entire states.

(not to mention they have perfected a billing system that bills long after you disconnected)

Dont pick on Verizon, they few remaining employees will have hurt feelings
tmc8080
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slower speed=fewer customers & lower price

Fios triple play now starts at 20/20 megabit. For TWC to compete with that, they either have to slash their price... or upgrade to support beyond the limits of docsis 2.0, there's just no two ways about it.. voip won't save them from telco's fttp. Internet is the hook that brings in customers... not phone, not tv.