  oliphantI Have 8 Boobies
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oliphant
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2006-Jul-19 10:37 am
With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...I wouldn't consider investment in Series 3s.
My SA2's had quite a few banner ads and system message spam that so far my HD-DirecTiVos haven't seen. I have no problems with injected ads like that but not at $13/mo for DVR service PLUS the cost of the unit PLUS the cost of cable card which in my area costs as much as renting a stand alone digital cable box. And with Comcast's future TiVo partnership, their own boxes may see TiVo quality software and if that's the case in my local franchise I would skip the SA3 all together. | |
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Mactron
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2006-Jul-19 10:48 am
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...I really enjoy my DTV Tivo. Alas I think will be my first and last Tivo DVR. Tivo has floundered and mis-stepped all to much in the last couple years. Lack of networking on the DTV Tivo (DTVs fault too), pop up ads on others. Slow release of hardware. Slow release of software. I could go on, but not with Tivo.  | |
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join:2001-06-19
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ieolus
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2006-Jul-19 12:30 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...The lack of networking on the DTVTivo is entirely DirecTv's fault unfortunately. Don't blame Tivo for that. | |
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join:2001-03-28
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NPGMBR
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2006-Jul-19 4:11 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...Exactly. DTV is purposefully not investing into their units because they intend to launch their own box. Make perfect business sense. If you want a box with all the newest features you need a TiVo box. Not DTV. | |
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|  EvergreenerSent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
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Why have I never seen a pop-up ad on my Broadband connected, Series2 Tivo? | |
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| | oliphantI Have 8 Boobies
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oliphant
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2006-Jul-19 12:40 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...
Banner ad | | | 
Another sample |
Now you have. | |
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2006-Jul-19 12:45 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...I also used to get System Message spam. Different form the regular spam at the bottom of the TiVo page (the Star ads), I would get a message saying I had a new system message. I would open it thinking it was an added or deleted channel or something and it would be an advertisement for a Sheryl Crow CD or something.
VERY lame, especially for over $150/yr.
With my HD-DirecTiVos, I don't see any of these.
Add to this their new pricing with service contract requirements and NO WAY would I go back to an SA unit. | |
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join:2001-01-15
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This was discussed extensively in the TivoCommunity.com forum. What TiVo does is allow an advertiser to put a static popup ad on top of their own ads if the TiVo user is fast-forwarding over the ad, or provide a small clickable icon in the top right of the screen during normal play of the commercial. The popup only shows while the commercial is showing, and goes away on its own when the ad is over. It does not in any way prevent you from fast-forwarding over the ad or obscure the program or require any user action to dismiss. It provides a way for the user to get more information about the product if they want to. It is very unobtrusive. | |
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| | | oliphantI Have 8 Boobies
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oliphant
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2006-Jul-19 2:11 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...Unobtrusive is subjective. The pulsating thumb to me isn't unobtrusive on a 'big' screen TV. It's very annoying given the money I had spent on equipment along with the $240/yr I was paying for service for the 2 SA's I had at the time. With DirecTV I pay $84/yr for 2 HD-TiVos.
IMO any TiVo software generated during ads during programming is obtrusive given the high service fees they charge. I'd be okay with it if there was only the hardware charge and the service was ad supported or if the fees were way cheaper like the $7/mo I pay for both of my HD-DirecTiVos.
IMO Series 3 hardware charges plus service charges plus all those ever increasing ads? No thanks. | |
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| NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
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Banner Ads? I've never seen a banner ad on my Series 2. | |
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| |  NJChris9PS3 Xbox ID Zzaz
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NJChris9
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2006-Jul-19 5:26 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...said by NPGMBR:Banner Ads? I've never seen a banner ad on my Series 2. I have both DirecTV Tivos (HD one also) and a stand alone. The DirecTV Tivos don't have the latest software (such as grouping shows in folders, or the use of the tivo software on your pc to d/l the shows to it, or the broadband items like weather, movie lookup, etc.., or the ability to add programs to record from the internet, or the ability to undelete a program you might have just deleted by mistake, or share shows with other SA tivos in your home's network, or view pictures and play music that is on your pc) That's DIRECTV's fault for not allowing updates. But that said, I see ZERO banner ads. Maybe that was in the past, but I have not seen one in the almost a year that I've owned it. | |
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Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...said by NJChris9:The DirecTV Tivos don't have the latest software (such as grouping shows in folders, ... My DTTivo does have folder grouping. None of the rest of the HMO or BB stuff, but the last update I was pushed has folders. But, I too, have never seen an ad on either my DTivo or either of my S2 SAs... | |
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NJChris9
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2006-Jul-19 10:27 pm
Re: With the banner ads and other issues I had with my SA2s...said by dylking:said by NJChris9:The DirecTV Tivos don't have the latest software (such as grouping shows in folders, ... My DTTivo does have folder grouping. None of the rest of the HMO or BB stuff, but the last update I was pushed has folders. But, I too, have never seen an ad on either my DTivo or either of my S2 SAs... Ok that one I forgot they are pushing out now. I dont have it yet tho so it doesnt exist. hehe | |
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| | |  owenhomekeeper of the magic blue smoke
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It's not their "fault", per say, as much as it is a result of them dropping Tivo in its entirety.
Course, that's the worst thing the could have done IMHO. The DTV DVR's suck a$$. The Tivo's were WAAAAAAY better and almost impossible to get from DTV unless you're an employee or "Best Customer" and even then, they're old stock. | |
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DirecTV hardware a no showI would love to see a DirecTV mpeg4 HD DVR. At this point I don't even care if it is a "Tivo" unit, so long as it works better than their last round of in house branded "DVR"s.
But even as of today, they have left all of the HR10-250 owners out in the cold. I paid $1000 for my receiver, only to later learn that there would be no software updates to give me the features those with the $49 models get, and no upgrade path to receive my HD locals. (the HR10-250 is mpeg2 only, without network waivers everyone outside of LA and NYC is SOL for HD over Satellite) You would think they would treat those paying the most money for their equipment and programming with a little more care, not like the red headed step child. But this is DirecTV.
So they can release a new unit, but I won't buy it. Certainly not now that they have gone to the "lease" concept, while still charging full price. I think a lot of others have the same position on it. | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showWhat are they doing for new HD customers interested in moving from SD to the existing Tivo HD-DVR? Are they offering some kind of reasonable upgrade path once the new DirecTV MPEG-4 unit comes out? | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showWell sadly, the current "recommendation" is for those wanting an HD DVR to purchase the HR10-250. The sales reps are quick to point out that it will receive HD locals, they just leave out that it will only do so with OTA signals. I actually have one friend who argued with me after I told him the receiver he just ordered couldn't get the mpeg4 channels, because the DTV sales rep had convinced him it could. When the receiver showed up, he learned otherwise.
This is all beside the fact that the HD10-250 is their ONLY receiver that hasn't received the 6.x software update. Aside from the HD end of things, there are actually more features available on the now FREE models than on the HD Tivo. (caller ID, program grouping, etc) | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showInteresting, if not lame.
The MPEG-4 channels aren't being broadcast yet, are they?
Users in markets without local feeds can still apply for a waiver to get coastal local feeds (hopefully in HD), yes? | |
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tquan
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2006-Jul-19 11:19 am
Re: DirecTV hardware a no showkarl--in most of the markets where DirecTV has HD locals available, those channels are being delivered today via MPEG-4. Of course, this shuts out the folks who previously bought an HR10-250 as mentioned. | |
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karl--in most of the markets where DirecTV has HD locals available, those channels are being delivered today via MPEG-4. Of course, this shuts out the folks who previously bought an HR10-250 as mentioned.
Ok, so for clarity: As an old SD DirecTV customer in an area that was not being fed local channels, you could apply for an FCC waiver that provided you coastal feeds of the major networks for an added fee. If that same customer wanted to upgrade to HD, they'd only be able to get those coastal feeds in SD, because the HD feeds in major markets are now MPEG-4? Is that accurate? | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showMajor markets are now mpeg 4, yes. New York City and Los Angeles are still mpeg2, broadcast on channels 80-90.
If you live in say, Chicago, and have the HR10-250, your options for HD locals are either to get them OTA, or get a network waiver from your location stations to allow you to get either the NYC or LA feeds over satellite. Despite the fact that the Chicago locals are actually carried on satellite in HD. (but in mpeg4) | |
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There hasn't been any national HD MPEG4 additions, however, several markets now get locals in MPEG4 and they have also many local RSNs in MPEG4. | |
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| | | oliphantI Have 8 Boobies
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said by Camelot One:Well sadly, the current "recommendation" is for those wanting an HD DVR to purchase the HR10-250. The sales reps are quick to point out that it will receive HD locals, they just leave out that it will only do so with OTA signals. Actually that's not exactly true. Some markets do get HD locals over the satellite without MPEG4; Los Angeles being one of them. I get ABC, NBC, Fox and CBS HD over the satellite, in addition to OTA HD, all integrated into the HD-TiVo guide. Also those HD locals are at no charge, included in the basic programming fee, not part of the HD tier. | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showI guess my post wasn't clear. Its the HD locals that are being broadcast mpeg4, as far as I know everywhere except NYC and LA. If you live in one of those cities, you can get HD locals on channels 80-90. Those of us in the rest of the country can only get HD locals over satellite with an mpeg 4 receiver. | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showsaid by Camelot One:I guess my post wasn't clear. Its the HD locals that are being broadcast mpeg4, as far as I know everywhere except NYC and LA. If you live in one of those cities, you can get HD locals on channels 80-90. Those of us in the rest of the country can only get HD locals over satellite with an mpeg 4 receiver. Actually, your locals are BROADCAST in MPEG2, and RESENT after DTV recompresses with the "tighter" MPEG4 ( except east & west coast network feeds which stay MPEG2). That's why you can receive your MPEG2 locals via antenna and the MPEG2 east & west coast network feeds with your HR10-250. There is no MPEG4 capability within the HR10-250. This results in having to swap out the HR10-250 to the new NON-TiVO DVR that DTV says will be here this summer. No one knows what the swap out program will cost the subscriber or when it will start. Stay tuned. | |
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Actually it was recently announced that 6.3 will be released for the 10-250. Read up on dbstalk.com | |
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Why don't you Tivo people just build your own DVR? I have had my own DVR with 4 tuners running for over a year with NO subscription fee whatsoever (excpet my Concast analog cable fee). Just a 3 gig Pentium and free GBPVR software. NO popups whatsoever. And once set up requires no maintenance and is completely stable. I could even add OTA HD tuners if I chose. And I have a little Happauge box in each bedroom to watch those recorded shows, movies, ,music.
Quit whining and build your own DVR! | |
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Re: DirecTV hardware a no showJust curious.. Do you get HD Channels? What happens when Comcast implements those CARDS I heard about? | |
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 MikeStammerNo prison can hold me
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join:2002-12-26
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Just use 30 second skipSelect-Play-Select-3-0-Select
and you now have a 30 second skip button (overridden from the button that would forward you to the various tick marks)
works great and you never see any commercials, etc. This works on my series 1 and several series 2 tivos i have worked on | |
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| kherr
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Collinsville, IL |
kherr
Premium Member
2006-Jul-19 4:15 pm
Re: Just use 30 second skipAlso works on the S2 dual tuner model also. | |
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Rob
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2006-Jul-19 5:48 pm
6.95/mo.I pay 6.95/mo. for my TiVO Service. If I get a Tivo 3, can I still keep that or go back to 12 bucks? | |
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